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oh true my fault. same inning.

i guess i just don't really care. i dont agree with the unwritten rules. i dont think theres a right or wrong way to play. if someone wants to be that silent 'act like youve been there before' dude, cool. but if a guy wants to be over the top like manny or puig, thats cool too. its all fun to me.
 
The only Dodger that got booed at Busch Stadium was Yasiel Puig, :lol:

I got no problems with Closers celebrating a win, I got no problems with hitters "pimping" a walk off, I got no problem with walk off celebrations simply because that is a MAJOR accomplishment. You sealed the win for your team.

What he did yesterday was comical, he didn't even hit the ball out of the park. Luckily he had the speed to get to third, but if the Dodgers woudl've lost, how foolish would he have looked for celebrating the way he did? The timing just wasn't the greatest, it's like overly celebrating a sack when it's the third quarter and the opposing team has been driving it down your throat all game.

It was a 0-0 ball game you say, well, the Cards are up 2-0. Yasiel could've won the game with a simple hit in game 2 since he came up with the bases loaded and one out. Instead he struck out foolishly, since he wanted the big bop instead of going for the strategic hit that would drive in a run to tie the game.

Down 0-2 in the NLCS, you've gone 0-11 with 7 k's. I'm all for celebrating when the moment is right, but this guy had ZERO reason to celebrate.

Yeah, I'm still mad that Yasiel Puig and Juan Uribe, the two biggest hot dogs, came up short in game 2.

I'll gladly take a humble Clayton Kershaw than an overly exubrant Yasiel Puig... it's called being a professional.
 
Yeah he just looked like a fool all around last night. No other way around it.

And when he strikes out, he sulks. Doesn't even watch his teammates. He has really turned me off lately. 
 
I totally disagree IM, it makes me crazy seeing closers do that over the top stuff :lol: especially the guys who tend to blow the big games. Valverde, Rodney and Benitez jump to mind.
 
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I totally disagree IM, it makes me crazy seeing closers do that over the top stuff :lol: especially the guys who tend to blow the big games. Valverde, Rodney and Benitez jump to mind.
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I felt that way for a bit, closers get a pass simply because when indeed they blow one, walk off celebrations are pretty over the top. You got the "huddle" at home plate, players chasing the guy who drove the run in, ripping of jerseys, gatorade showers, "cream pies" :lol:. So closers get a pass in my book.
 
Well then from that angle, I can understand it.

Seeing those two clowns do it against the Yanks for the last two years may have made me biased :lol:
 
"What if he didn't make it to 3rd?!"

But he did, though.

"What will this lead to?!"

Could lead to more celebrations, I guess. ONOEZ!!!!!! Or possibly more guys talented enough to prematurely celebrate and still leg out a triple, which we definitely can't have any more of.

And like I said, my opinion is coming from someone who stays fairly subdued and appreciates guys like Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Barry Sanders, etc. Anything I've ever done in a great moment, I act like those guys. The Puig theatrics just isn't me.

But although I'm not theatrical, something I definitely am is tolerant. I don't need everything to be done exactly the way I want.

His theatrics had no effect on the game. He wasn't gunned down as a result of lollygagging. He came through for his team... MAJOR... and did nothing vulgar or disrespectful. Would I have done it? Nope... but again, I don't need everything to be exactly the way I do it or exactly how I want it.
 
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"What if he didn't make it to 3rd?!"

But he did, though.

"What will this lead to?!"

Could lead to more celebrations, I guess. ONOEZ!!!!!! Or possibly more guys talented enough to prematurely celebrate and still leg out a triple, which we definitely can't have any more of.

And like I said, my opinion is coming from someone who stays fairly subdued and appreciates guys like Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Barry Sanders, etc. Anything I've ever done in a great moment, I act like those guys. The Puig theatrics just isn't me.

But although I'm not theatrical, something I definitely am is tolerant. I don't need everything to be done exactly the way I want.

His theatrics had no effect on the game. He wasn't gunned down as a result of lollygagging. He came through for his team... MAJOR... and did nothing vulgar or disrespectful. Would I have done it? Nope... but again, I don't need everything to be exactly the way I do it or exactly how I want it.
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The bolded are strawman arguments....as no one has made either of those claims.

The italic, I simply dont agree with.  You dont think what Puig did last night was taken as disrespect by the Cardinals?  You would be the only one if you dont.
 
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Do people really think Puig put his hands up knowing that it wasn't going to leave the park? He obviously thought it was going to be a HR off contact and after being 0-11 with 7ks (5 in a row) I think it was more of a "finally" type of thing.

Torii Hunter flips his bats on infield singles. I don't ever see these same Giants fans angry about that. Puig is an idiot. He's a hell of a baseball player but his baseball IQ is about as low as it gets.

What's funnier to me is that Mattingly doesn't have the balls to say anything to him. This dude just laughed it off :lol:

and LOL at this guy comparing a walk-off HR in the playoffs to a homerun in the 5th inning of a regular season game where you're winning. I hate Manny Ramirez for doing that to us but that's just me being salty for him styling on us.


I hate Fernando Rodney for what he does tho. I don't think it's classless but it's just annoying as hell. Balfour is a clown too.
 
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Yasiel Puig is 22 years old, literally put his life on the line multiple times to get here and have a chance at playing on the highest level, and he was having an atrocious series before that hit.

Please, please find it in your hearts to forgive him for that bit of emotion...

Get real.
 
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Come on, I'm a Giants fan and I couldn't care less. This is a men's sport, not an international chess tournament. There's no need to be soft and shed tears about it
 
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Do people really think Puig put his hands up knowing that it wasn't going to leave the park? He obviously thought it was going to be a HR off contact and after being 0-11 with 7ks (5 in a row) I think it was more of a "finally" type of thing.
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If that's how you took it, fine.  But that't not how I took it, or how most people who are arguing about this took it. 
Torii Hunter flips his bats on infield singles. I don't ever see these same Giants fans angry about that. Puig is an idiot. He's a hell of a baseball player but his baseball IQ is about as low as it gets.
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Flipping your bat on singles like Torii does is not the same thing as admiring your shot.  Even you have to admit this.  And as far as "angry Giants fans" go, I dont think we are the only ones who see a problem with this.  And I am sure you arent going to believe me, but if Puig was a Cardinal, I'd feel the EXACT same way. 
What's funnier to me is that Mattingly doesn't have the balls to say anything to him. This dude just laughed it off
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I agree that Mattingly doesn't have the balls to say anything.  I dont agree that its funny.  I think Mattingly's reluctance to talk to his star player is a problem more than it is funny.  I couldn't imagine managers like Jim Leyland, Bruce Bochy or Davey Johnson allowing this to continue to happen.  Hell I dont think there are many managers in the game that would.
and LOL at this guy comparing a walk-off HR in the playoffs to a homerun in the 5th inning of a regular season game where you're winning. I hate Manny Ramirez for doing that to us but that's just me being salty for him styling on us.
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First of all, that was ME that wrote it.  Secondly, you completely missed toe context of which I brought it up.  I was saying that they are NOT the same at all.  DoubleJs was saying that showboating is showboating regardless of circumstance.  I simply brought up that example to show how silly it is to think all showboating is the same.
 
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DarthSka said:
 
"What if he didn't make it to 3rd?!"

But he did, though.

"What will this lead to?!"

Could lead to more celebrations, I guess. ONOEZ!!!!!! Or possibly more guys talented enough to prematurely celebrate and still leg out a triple, which we definitely can't have any more of.

And like I said, my opinion is coming from someone who stays fairly subdued and appreciates guys like Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Barry Sanders, etc. Anything I've ever done in a great moment, I act like those guys. The Puig theatrics just isn't me.

But although I'm not theatrical, something I definitely am is tolerant. I don't need everything to be done exactly the way I want.

His theatrics had no effect on the game. He wasn't gunned down as a result of lollygagging. He came through for his team... MAJOR... and did nothing vulgar or disrespectful. Would I have done it? Nope... but again, I don't need everything to be exactly the way I do it or exactly how I want it.
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The bolded are strawman arguments....as no one has made either of those claims.

The italic, I simply dont agree with.  You dont think what Puig did last night was taken as disrespect by the Cardinals?  You would be the only one if you dont.
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I hate when people discredit an argument based on what the argument is called. "That point doesn't count because it's a strawman argument."

Awesome. On a debate team, you get a point or I lose my turn or however that goes.

Everywhere else, however, that doesn't matter. "No, it does matter. Everyone must now the nuances and intricacies of a well-built or poorly built argument!"

Yeahno.
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I've said many times before that I equate online sports discussion to a bunch of guys sitting around discussing sports and watching a game. Let some dude come up like "Nope, strawman argument. Next! Nope, rhetorical question. Next!" Address what was said w/ an opinion all your own, or leave it for someone else.

And having said that:

"Luckily he had the speed to get to third, but if the Dodgers woudl've lost, how foolish would he have looked for celebrating the way he did?"

Essentially, I read this as "If he didn't get to 3rd... and if the Dodgers lost..."
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If we start seeing this across baseball at what point will it get annoying to the "let them celebrate" crowd?
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That's definitely "What will become of this?!"

And do I think the Cardinals were disrespected by his bat flip? As in THE CARDINALS... not SOME CARDINALS? No, I don't think all of them were disrespected, and I'm sure there's some label for a flaw in an argument based on not having facts that are completely accurate. I would assume that not ALL Cardinals were disrespected, so it would be inaccurate to say "The Cardinals were disrespected" as opposed to "Some" or even "A majority", and I would also assume you haven't personally asked every single one of them.

Not all Dodgers are ok w/ Puig's antics; not all Dodgers are offended.

Not all Dodger fans are ok w/ Puig's antics; not all Dodger fans are offended.

Not all Cardinals are ok w/ Puig's antics; not all Cardinals are offended.

Not all Card fans are ok w/ Puig's antics; not all Card fans are offended.

So that brings our discussion down to just you and me.

You never asked me if I personally found what he did offensive; instead you asked if I think the Cardinals were offended.

Obviously I didn't have a problem with it.

Seems you do.

Cool, but is that based on the integrity of the game? Because that's just not something that is SUPPOSED to be done?

Or because you... yourself... don't like it?
 
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So it would matter if he was 11-11 going into the hit? Or just if he was 11-11 going into the AB and his team was winning?

What if he was 11-11 going into the AB and his team was winning, but he hit it 575? 560? Barely cleared the wall?

OOH!! What if he was 11-11 going into the AB and his team was trailing, but he hit it NINE-HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO FEET?!!?
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I'm sure you might think I'm just being ridiculous (I know, strawman argument, since no one has read my reply and said I'm being ridiculous), but I think all this situational crap is ridiculous.

If you succeed against another peer doing his best, you can celebrate.
 
:lol:, not a fan of that behavior.

You can clearly see that it is polarizing. I think it's funny that when those that are offended by it, in this case Beltran and Wainwright, they get bashed.
 
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