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2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions
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Miguel Cabrera MVPwell deserved!
I like that Major League Baseball is now publicizing who voted for who. However, they need to take it a step further and make the writer justify why hevoted the way they did. If you dont agree with me, you need to look no further than seeing Josh Donaldson with a first place MVP vote, and Mike Trout with a seventh place vote. Those are complete jokes, and should need to be explained.
Josh Donaldson definitely didn't deserve a first place vote, but he was certainly worthy of being considered.
I didnt say he didnt deserve consideration. I watched him very closely all season long. He had a great year. Wouldnt even have brought it up if he got 7th place, 5th place....or hell even a third place vote. But for someone to say that he believe Josh Donaldson was the most valuable player in all of the American league? That guy deserves to have his voting rights revoked.
Same for the guy who gave Mike Trout a 7th place vote.
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Miggy
Detroit stand up!!!
Detroit stand up!!!
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Congratulations to Miguel Cabrera for having better teammates than Mike Trout.
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That Trumbo rumor (to Cleveland for Corey Kluber and two prospects) is bogus, by the way.
Which is fine because the Indians are already about to lose 40% of their rotation to free agency, and because Trumbo is overrated.
Which is fine because the Indians are already about to lose 40% of their rotation to free agency, and because Trumbo is overrated.
Offensively, at least.What numbers are you looking at?
Werth: .318/.398/.532/.931 with 25 homers and 82 RBI's
McCutchen: .317/.404/.508/.911 with 21 homers and 84 RBI's
Playing CF and baserunning numbers set them miles apart.
The whole "lead his team to the playoffs" angle is BS though.
Hopefully Trout can make sure the pitching staff is better, Trumbo/Hamilton don't suck and that Pujols stays healthy next year.
I can't even argue it anymore because it'll just be rubbed off as thinking Trout is MVP = stat guy who doesn't watch/know the game or that it's somehow a slight to probably the greatest hitter of the last decade.
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That team is just built poorly, no pitching whatsoever,
. Let Greinke walk to sign Josh Hamilton, I'm ok with Miggy winning it a second year in a row. Trout wins the mythical best player in baseball award for the second year in a row...
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I really don't get the Angels management. Scioscia specializes in playing fast guys with strong Defense, a la Vlad, and Management goes out and gets a bunch of slow neckless sluggers like Josh Hamilton.
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How can we change the voting system in baseball to avoid flat out homerism?? PS-The guy who voted Trout #7 should be forced to go on an all McDonald's diet.
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That would be Bill Ballew, the same guy who IIRC doesn't own a cell phone. I also enjoyed him calling himself a "strict constructionist" while making up his own arbitrary criterion that said a player can't win the award if his team doesn't go to the playoffs. Hey, Bill, strict constructionism means ... pretty much the opposite of what you did.
How can we change the voting system in baseball to avoid flat out homerism?? PS-The guy who voted Trout #7 should be forced to go on an all McDonald's diet.
Klaw (1:09 PM)
That would be Bill Ballew, the same guy who IIRC doesn't own a cell phone. I also enjoyed him calling himself a "strict constructionist" while making up his own arbitrary criterion that said a player can't win the award if his team doesn't go to the playoffs. Hey, Bill, strict constructionism means ... pretty much the opposite of what you did.
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Thats not the only time that this has happened.
I was mad in 99 when Pedro Martinez got more first place votes than Pudge, but Pudge still got the MVP because some idiots left Pedro completely off their ballots. And Pedro was better that year than Verlander last year too.
I was mad in 99 when Pedro Martinez got more first place votes than Pudge, but Pudge still got the MVP because some idiots left Pedro completely off their ballots. And Pedro was better that year than Verlander last year too.
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on paper Angels >>>>>>>>>
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Miggy back to back
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Name your breakout players for next season.
I'm hoping Profar, Wong, Noah.
I'm hoping Profar, Wong, Noah.
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Ackley...On some other roster.
BTW...Miggy is still an MVP caliber player. Forget the hard-ons for Trout. Baseball is "stooped in tradition," ya know?
BTW...Miggy is still an MVP caliber player. Forget the hard-ons for Trout. Baseball is "stooped in tradition," ya know?
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I've always liked him. Sometimes a change of scenery is useful.
Random hunch, Byrd will underperform the contract Philly just gave him.
I'd guess conventional wisdom is Dom Brown's power regresses.
Random hunch, Byrd will underperform the contract Philly just gave him.
I'd guess conventional wisdom is Dom Brown's power regresses.
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I'm surprised Daniels isn't more in on Tanaka. It makes sense with the Darvish connection.
Replace Garza. 60/60 should get it done. His ceiling is an elite 2.
Darvish, Tanaka, Holland, Perez, Harrison or Ogando.
Replace Garza. 60/60 should get it done. His ceiling is an elite 2.
Darvish, Tanaka, Holland, Perez, Harrison or Ogando.
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Miggy is a beast with numbers he puts up
Ackley...On some other roster.
BTW...Miggy is still an MVP caliber player. Forget the hard-ons for Trout. Baseball is "stooped in tradition," ya know?
I don't think anyone voting for Trout is doubting/saying that. The fact that people automatically assume that's what you're saying is a major reason why I don't even argue it anymore. It blinds people to say that Cabrera was not MVP.
Dom Brown's "power" will never go away if he stays in Philly.
I think Texas (surprisingly) needs more offense. I think Texas or New York are the ones who need McCann the most.
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Spend money on bats... Use one of the three middle infielders in a deal to get an established guy like David Price or a young kid like Shelby Miller.
Darvish/Holland/Perez/Harrison is a really solid 4... I don't think they need to spend huge money there when they need bats as badly as they do.
But I could see the argument to spend money on the pitcher and then trade for Jose Bautista or someone along that caliber...
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Tim Hudson close to signing with Giants?
I'm gonna punch my cousin right in the head if they get Price or Bautista.
Tim Hudson deal looks good for Giants.
Phillies again overpay an aging player.
Tim Hudson deal looks good for Giants.
The San Francisco Giants overpaid for one of their own starters last month when they gave Tim Lincecum a two-year deal worth more per year than the qualifying offer would have cost, but they seem to have spent their money more efficiently on Tim Hudson, getting a better pitcher whose market may have been limited by his season-ending ankle injury, for a deal reportedly worth $23 million over two years.
Hudson, 38, was headed for a 2-2.5 WAR season when he got hurt in late June, and his peripherals were all in line with his recent history or better, including the second-best strikeout rate he'd posted since leaving Oakland nearly a decade ago.
His skill set is one that tends to age well -- plus control with good sink and the ability to get ground balls. The main worry with any pitcher getting into his late 30s or early 40s is that a loss of velocity will lead to harder contact, meaning higher home run rates and potentially higher BABIPs as well, but Hudson's innate ability to keep the ball in the park will now be supplemented by 16 or so starts a year at the spacious AT&T Park, plus a few at Petco Park and Dodger Stadium, which are also pitcher-friendly. He might only be good for 350 innings over two years, but even if he loses another mile an hour or two on his fastball I like his chances to provide good value on this deal.
The Giants seemed to be targeting multiple starting pitchers this offseason as Ryan Vogelsong and Barry Zito will not be returning to the rotation in 2014, but with Madison Bumgarner, Matt Cain, Hudson, and in theory Lincecum (assuming he doesn't pitch his way out of the rotation), they're most of the way to a complete set. While Lincecum is a bit of a wild card because of his poor performance over the last two years, Hudson is a significant upgrade over Voegelsong and Zito, who were both below replacement level in 2013.
The real question is whether this is just much ado about nothing, as the unbalanced Giants' offense is likely to get little to nothing offensively from shortstop, second base, left field, and it’s hard to see them getting close to the Dodgers this winter unless the latter club suffers a rash of injuries or off-years from its loaded roster.
Atlanta was among roughly 10 teams interested in Hudson, but apparently made an initial offer well below his 2013 salary, a tactical blunder that may have cost the team his services given his past interest in staying in the southeast. The club is in good shape without him, though, as Kris Medlen, Julio Teheran, and Mike Minor are a strong front three and Atlanta could get a healthy Brandon Beachy back out there for 25-30 starts as he continues to recover from June 2012 Tommy John surgery.
Teams that had been interested in Hudson will have to turn to other starters with question marks, like Josh Johnson (elbow surgery), Scott Kazmir (lack of track record), or Bartolo Colon (age, girth, PED past, etc).
Hudson, 38, was headed for a 2-2.5 WAR season when he got hurt in late June, and his peripherals were all in line with his recent history or better, including the second-best strikeout rate he'd posted since leaving Oakland nearly a decade ago.
His skill set is one that tends to age well -- plus control with good sink and the ability to get ground balls. The main worry with any pitcher getting into his late 30s or early 40s is that a loss of velocity will lead to harder contact, meaning higher home run rates and potentially higher BABIPs as well, but Hudson's innate ability to keep the ball in the park will now be supplemented by 16 or so starts a year at the spacious AT&T Park, plus a few at Petco Park and Dodger Stadium, which are also pitcher-friendly. He might only be good for 350 innings over two years, but even if he loses another mile an hour or two on his fastball I like his chances to provide good value on this deal.
The Giants seemed to be targeting multiple starting pitchers this offseason as Ryan Vogelsong and Barry Zito will not be returning to the rotation in 2014, but with Madison Bumgarner, Matt Cain, Hudson, and in theory Lincecum (assuming he doesn't pitch his way out of the rotation), they're most of the way to a complete set. While Lincecum is a bit of a wild card because of his poor performance over the last two years, Hudson is a significant upgrade over Voegelsong and Zito, who were both below replacement level in 2013.
The real question is whether this is just much ado about nothing, as the unbalanced Giants' offense is likely to get little to nothing offensively from shortstop, second base, left field, and it’s hard to see them getting close to the Dodgers this winter unless the latter club suffers a rash of injuries or off-years from its loaded roster.
Atlanta was among roughly 10 teams interested in Hudson, but apparently made an initial offer well below his 2013 salary, a tactical blunder that may have cost the team his services given his past interest in staying in the southeast. The club is in good shape without him, though, as Kris Medlen, Julio Teheran, and Mike Minor are a strong front three and Atlanta could get a healthy Brandon Beachy back out there for 25-30 starts as he continues to recover from June 2012 Tommy John surgery.
Teams that had been interested in Hudson will have to turn to other starters with question marks, like Josh Johnson (elbow surgery), Scott Kazmir (lack of track record), or Bartolo Colon (age, girth, PED past, etc).
Phillies again overpay an aging player.
The Philadelphia Phillies have made the first two notable signings of the offseason, and this latest one is even worse than the first. Giving Marlon Byrd a little more than he was worth was bad, but giving Carlos Ruiz, a 34-year-old catcher with platoon problems who's coming off a PED suspension a three-year deal is absolute lunacy.
The deal, with an average annual value of $8.67 million, covers Ruiz's age-35-through-37 seasons, and it's not like his age-34 season was such a rousing success. Right-handed pitchers blew him up in 2013 (.257/.301/.335 line against), and he didn't hit any kind of velocity as his bat had clearly started to slow. He still can do damage against left-handers and is an adequate defender, blocking pitches well and nailing about a quarter of opposing runners, but taking value away with poor pitch framing.
Just 70 catchers have reached 400 plate appearances in a season in which they were 34 or older, and a third of them were worth 1 WAR or less -- and that doesn't even consider catchers who performed so badly they lost their jobs midyear.
The Boston Red Sox and Colorado Rockies were both interested in Ruiz, presumably looking at two-year deals for less money than Phillies GM Ruben Amaro offered him, and now have to look elsewhere for catching.
The Red Sox could turn back to Jarrod Saltalamacchia and are one of the few teams that could afford Brian McCann; the Rockies, looking for a catcher so that they can move Wilin Rosario out from behind the plate, may have to look to the trade market unless they want to roll the dice on Dioner Navarro.
The Phillies, meanwhile, are creating a bigger mess for themselves for 2014 and beyond, and if next season leads to a GM change, it's going to be a long road back for Amaro's successor.
The deal, with an average annual value of $8.67 million, covers Ruiz's age-35-through-37 seasons, and it's not like his age-34 season was such a rousing success. Right-handed pitchers blew him up in 2013 (.257/.301/.335 line against), and he didn't hit any kind of velocity as his bat had clearly started to slow. He still can do damage against left-handers and is an adequate defender, blocking pitches well and nailing about a quarter of opposing runners, but taking value away with poor pitch framing.
Just 70 catchers have reached 400 plate appearances in a season in which they were 34 or older, and a third of them were worth 1 WAR or less -- and that doesn't even consider catchers who performed so badly they lost their jobs midyear.
The Boston Red Sox and Colorado Rockies were both interested in Ruiz, presumably looking at two-year deals for less money than Phillies GM Ruben Amaro offered him, and now have to look elsewhere for catching.
The Red Sox could turn back to Jarrod Saltalamacchia and are one of the few teams that could afford Brian McCann; the Rockies, looking for a catcher so that they can move Wilin Rosario out from behind the plate, may have to look to the trade market unless they want to roll the dice on Dioner Navarro.
The Phillies, meanwhile, are creating a bigger mess for themselves for 2014 and beyond, and if next season leads to a GM change, it's going to be a long road back for Amaro's successor.
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