2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

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Proshares said:
Pizzo, I see what you're saying. I thought you meant he just started throwing the knuckle last year.
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that was mybad i reworded that horrible instead of sayin he just learned it i should have said he just mastered it to make it easier. sorry
 
By adding Hamilton, it gives their bullpen more wiggle room to give up extra runs. :lol:

Back end of their rotation? Blanton, Hanson, ?. :x
 
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Proshares said:
He wants basically the contract the Ryan Dempster just got on top of the $5 million he's getting this year. So it's basically 3 years/~$34 million he's asking for. Why wouldn't you give him that? Unless you thought he was getting more than that.
Pizzo, I see what you're saying. I thought you meant he just started throwing the knuckle last year.
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For a 38 year old pitcher? Hell no
 
Knuckleballers pitch later into their career though...

He's been one of the best pitchers alive for the past 3 years. It's not like your giving the money to a hard thrower. He prolly won't have a cy young season again but I see no reason why he won't be as good as he was the previosu years which was still a pretty high level.
 
Hey, we're minnesotta. We sign Catchers to historic contracts and then build a stadium which he can't hit in.


Oh, and you have to live in minnesotta.
 
josh getting that big money from the division rival............ouch.

i'd like to see us go after granderson, upton, or even swisher, but i'd like to land them without giving up profar or andrus.
 
erupt107th said:
Hey, we're minnesotta. We sign Catchers to historic contracts and then build a stadium which he can't hit in.


Oh, and you have to live in minnesotta.
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:lol:

But seriously, the Angels sometimes make really poor choices at a high cost. I can see this Hamilton deal being a problem in a couple years' time (the Pujols deal as well).
 
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/1...hoagie-gets-blown-up-on-twitter.html#comments

poor ben already getting torched by philly fans (in a funny way though) about how he ordered a chicken cheesesteak hoagie and not a regular philly cheesesteak. After he tweeted first Philly cheesesteak ever
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The Angels' deal with Josh Hamilton, confimed as a 5-year, $125 million pact, resembles the deals the Angels made last winter with Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson -- consummated in reaction to other contenders' activity, likely to boost the team substantially in the short run, and with the prospect of ending badly for the team in the contract's final years.



Hamilton, when healthy, is among the best pure hitters in the game, and if he's limited to left field in Anaheim will probably be worth about 5 wins a year above replacement, and roughly that much to the Angels assuming he takes away at bats from a mix of Peter Bourjos, Mark Trumbo, and Vernon Wells. (The outfield situation, I should note, could certainly change.) Hamilton did benefit from a ballpark very friendly to lefty power hitters in Texas but should still be good for 30 homers a year in the power-depressing park in Anaheim, with strong OBPs and plus defense if he's in left. He doesn't address the Angels' biggest need, starting pitching, but he was the best free agent left on the market and does at least free up some other assets, especially Bourjos, for the team to trade for another starter. Bourjos' main value is his centerfield defense, but with the AL's lowercase most valuable player in center, the Angels have no need for what Bourjos provides.



The problems with the Hamilton contract are fairly obvious -- he's not durable, and he's already at an age where previously durable players tend to become less so. Over the course of a five-year deal, the over/under on Hamilton's games played is probably 600, if not less, given his propensity for injury. The Angels using him in left field might reduce that risk a little given the greater range required of a centerfielder, but much of Hamilton's problem staying healthy is a function of genetics and his style of play. He also finished the 2012 season like one of the walking dead, apparently the effects of his attempt to quit using tobacco products. That was an admirable goal but the late-season malaise likely cost the Rangers the division title. Hamilton's deal also takes him into the age range where most hitters begin to decline offensively and often find themselves heading for the cliff, or over it; between that and his history of injuries it's hard to see him producing $25 million of value in years 4 or 5 even given the existing rate of salary inflation in baseball. The 2016 Angels are going to be paying a lot of money for three players who probably won't be very good given their ages at that point.



The signing makes more sense for the Angels if they now look to deal some of their position-player surplus, especially Bourjos, but also perhaps Mark Trumbo and the buried catching prospect Hank Conger. The Mets might be inclined to deal R.A. Dickey for a package involving some of those players if they can't agree on an extension with Dickey, and getting, say, Bourjos, Conger, and another prospect (I'll throw Taylor Lindsey's name out there) for one year of Dickey's services would make a lot of sense for a team that is still rebuilding.



Hamilton's signing leaves one everyday centerfielder, Michael Bourn, remaining on the market (assuming some teams saw Hamilton in that light), but few teams looking to spend on a full timer at the position. The Rangers would be one, having lost Hamilton and looking at internal options like Leonys Martin and Craig Gentry. The Reds have three everyday corner guys but no true CF on the roster, but would have to change course from their stated plans for center. Bourn might have to look for a one-year deal that puts him back on the market next winter, but that market also includes Jacoby Ellsbury and Curtis Granderson if neither signs an extension before then, putting Bourn in a difficult spot at the moment. One other team that could benefit from Bourn if he'll take a one year deal is the Royals, whose overhauled rotation would look even better with one of the game's premier flycatchers out in center.
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JumpmanFromDaBay said:
I still like the A's in the West
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Your Damn Right !!!!!!! Lets see how Hamilton reacts to the city of Los Angeles with all his off the field BS... Gonna be leaning towards the demise than the rise...his numbers are there but hes been striking out a lot, That slider gets him everytime. I think theyre like the 49ers just vice versa. Angels offense could keep them like 9ers defense. But it raises eyebrows when you think about 9ers Qb situation and Angels Pitching Rotation. 

Didn't mean to switch sports but i think its a good comparison. If the A's can score Drew and one more SP we GOOOD!!!!!
 
jonathan93til said:
JumpmanFromDaBay said:
I still like the A's in the West :D
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Your Damn Right !!!!!!! Lets see how Hamilton reacts to the city of Los Angeles with all his off the field BS... Gonna be leaning towards the demise than the rise...his numbers are there but hes been striking out a lot, That slider gets him everytime. I think theyre like the 49ers just vice versa. Angels offense could keep them like 9ers defense. But it raises eyebrows when you think about 9ers Qb situation and Angels Pitching Rotation. 

Didn't mean to switch sports but i think its a good comparison. If the A's can score Drew and one more SP we GOOOD!!!!!
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If Drew isn't coming back at around ~5-8M then I say we go for Nakajima.
 
Angels lineup :x

MLB the show rosters should be updated soon.


Can't blame Moreno for trying to make them the #1 team in Cali. Won't happen but atleast he's going for it.
 
jonathan93til said:
Your Damn Right !!!!!!! Lets see how Hamilton reacts to the city of Los Angeles with all his off the field BS... Gonna be leaning towards the demise than the rise...his numbers are there but hes been striking out a lot, That slider gets him everytime. I think theyre like the 49ers just vice versa. Angels offense could keep them like 9ers defense. But it raises eyebrows when you think about 9ers Qb situation and Angels Pitching Rotation. 

Didn't mean to switch sports but i think its a good comparison. If the A's can score Drew and one more SP we GOOOD!!!!!
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Awful comparison, and the Angels play a good distance away from Los Angeles so no need to worry about the reaction LA will have because frankly we don't really care about the Angels, :lol:.

Despite it being a knee-jerk move, I like it, gives them a formidable lineup. Their rotation and bullpen isn't that good, and took a major hit when they couldn't re-sign Greinke. Maybe they want to just out-hit everyone, which is possible.

I think this will play into the Diamondbacks hands, the Rangers will really go after Upton now.

Can't blame teams for making these types of aggressive moves, used to be jelly on the sidelines when McCourt ran the franchise. It feels good man.

:lol: @ dudes being salty about the salary figures in the only league without a cap.
 
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