2016 MLB thread. THE CUBS HAVE BROKEN THE CURSE! Chicago Cubs are your 2016 World Series champions

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What's the best site to get total team WAR stats?

Or can someone post team WAR leaders in hiting, pitching, fielding and total.
 
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Angels have a better record than Detroit, but Tigers are in a weaker division, so Miggy MVP? That makes no sense.
 
mfreshm said:
But Miggy carried his team to the Playoffs while Trout did not maybe if he started the season in the bigs instead of the minors.
Miggy wins MVP
and I think Gio Gonzalez wins over Dickey. I think Kimbrel should get some 1st place votes his K's per 9 innings is insane like 16.9 per 9
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It's baseball. No one player ever carries a team. Their pitching has been phenomenal down the stretch.

Trout absolutely should win, but I think Cabrera will get it. Remember these are the same voters who gave it to Braun over Kemp last year, and Ryan Howard over Pujols a few years before that. As illogical as it is to give the award based on a lead in three arbitrary statistical categories (two of which are flawed), the voters will undoubtedly go for it. Of course, Trout swiping almost 50 bags and getting 30 HRs has only been done twice before, but it doesn't have a cool name so it won't register.

Nice to see the Sox putting out a major league lineup against the Yanks today. The one they used yesterday was the worst Boston lineup I've ever seen. :lol:

Rawex5 go to Fangraphs and hit the 'Team' subcategory.
 
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Don't the Angels have the best record in the AL since the day Trout was called up?
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
Miggy will win. Trout should win.
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Disagree. Had Trout winning it most the way, but this last month or so has changed my thinking. Angels are third place team right now and without Trout, they're still probably a third place team. Without Cabrera, Tigers aren't winning the Central.

Trout = Most Outstanding Player. Cabrera = MVP.
 
651akathePaul said:
Disagree. Had Trout winning it most the way, but this last month or so has changed my thinking. Angels are third place team right now and without Trout, they're still probably a third place team. Without Cabrera, Tigers aren't winning the Central.
Trout = Most Outstanding Player. Cabrera = MVP.
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Totally agree with this bc without Cabrera Tigers don't win the Central. and Miggy did carry the Tigers without him they'd lose.

Cabrera MVP
Trout is definitely winning the ROY
 
651akathePaul said:
Disagree. Had Trout winning it most the way, but this last month or so has changed my thinking. Angels are third place team right now and without Trout, they're still probably a third place team. Without Cabrera, Tigers aren't winning the Central.
Trout = Most Outstanding Player. Cabrera = MVP.
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So Cabrera should win because the Tigers play in the Central? Nevermind that it's inherently foolish to tie in team success to an individual award in a sport like baseball, the Tigers didn't win more games than the Angels so you're essentially rewarding him just because he played in an easier division.

Performance value should be the only thing that matters. And Trout's all around performance yielded more value than Cabrera's did.
 
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i think it's awesome that miggy is going to continue to play even tho he's in a spot where it would take quite an effort by trout or hamilton to mess it up. kudos

heard on the radio about how ted williams was like 10-40 heading into the final day of his historic season, his average falling from .413 to .400. he chose to play and went 6-8 in a doubleheader getting to the .406

:pimp:
 
Kevin Cleveland said:
Look, one player has never and will never directly correlate to whole team success/failure.

Mike Trout didn't make the decision to turn Peter Bourjos into a fifth outfielder in favor of Mark Trumbo and Vernon Wells, he didn't let a floundering bullpen go unaddressed all summer and he also didn't keep Ervin Santana in the rotation when he probably doesn't belong there.

The dude does a lot of different things for his team. Managing personnel wasn't in the job description. Winning should never matter. Maybe it has in this regard before, but that doesn't mean it's right. As one player, doing his one job of playing baseball, there is no one better.

Miguel Cabrera is one of the best hitters any of us has ever seen. There is no one current player I would rather watch in the box, and I like the dude even though I shouldn't. He is having a great season, unbeknownst to none of us who think Trout is the better (only) choice.

Trout is having one of the best seasons ever.

Ever.
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Just in case people didn't see this.
 
RaWEx5 said:
What's the best site to get total team WAR stats?
Or can someone post team WAR leaders in hiting, pitching, fielding and total.
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Use fangraphs.com and go to their leaders. Their WAR is best because they incorporate new defensive stats (especially for catchers) and they adjust for competition and home/away parks.

mfreshm said:
But Miggy carried his team to the Playoffs while Trout did not maybe if he started the season in the bigs instead of the minors.
Miggy wins MVP
and I think Gio Gonzalez wins over Dickey. I think Kimbrel should get some 1st place votes his K's per 9 innings is insane like 16.9 per 9
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This kind of logic really burns me sometimes. Because it's like Miggy did this all himself and a win in September somehow, someway means more than a win in April. Or the quality of opponent has no bearing whatsoever. Or that offense is the SOLE way of evaluating players.

So by this, since Miggy carried them there what was the problem with them when they were struggling all year? They need a historic offensive collapse from Chicago and an extremely weak remaining schedule to even make the playoffs. Austin Jackson put up big numbers as did Fielder. Verlander put up another 7 win season and was either equal or more valuable to that team. Even Scherzer had a breakout year.

Then there's the fact that the Angels are going to finish at worst with the same record as Detroit. So what, we punish Trout because he has to play against two playoff teams and a Seattle team that discovered how to hit this season and having to hit in 3 pitchers parks against better pitching staffs. Yet we reward Cabrera for beating up on KC, Minnesota and Cleveland which are all in the bottom third in pitching (as well as Chicago) and hitting in parks that are good to right handers?

I feel as if the baserunning and defensive part of this argument are being totally ignored. Runs batted in at the plate are equal to runs being save on defense. You see Trout's play in center field and he has been amazing for a staff that has fly ball pitchers. Trout's baserunning and ability to steal bases at over 90% puts his 3-4-5 hitters in great positions to drive him in. Meanwhile, Cabrera has cost the Tigers a fair amount of runs with his bad fielding (their IF as a whole was terrible) and baserunning. That was a huge part of the reason they were in such a rut when they had 3/5 SP's were ground ball pitchers and depended on their IF defense to save runs.

I think Gio should be up there with Dickey and Cueto, forgot about him. Kershaw too.

And this is not me just dumping on Cabrera, he's been one of the more criminally underrated players in this league who keeps performing. But this year, he's not the best player in the AL. The Triple Crown is not as meaningful as it was in the 70's and before. Two stats proven to be ineffective counting stats. Yea, no one has done it since the 70's. What Mike Trout is doing has never been done EVER.
 
Got damn. That Yankee team is scrappy. I know Showalter may get the AL manager of the year but Joe Girardi should get some consideration (along with Melvin).

I'm not worried about anyone the O's might face in the post season. This team has proved t can win any number of ways. Can't believe they overcame a 15k outing from the Ray's Shields...
 
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