Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[big j 33]

I'm tempted to watch some comedies with no possibilities to make me feel bad. Except most comedies have the romantic element so I'm sure that'll suck

There are a few movies that I just love and I figured I'd enjoy them regardless of the mood. Almost Famous, Silver Linings Playbook, etc. Then I'm tempted to watch some relationship movies and just say **** it Annie Hall, Eternal Sunshine, The Graduate, Before Sunrise/Sunset, just because they're great movies and I'll hate myself for it.

Although I'm pretty sure if I watch 500 Days of Summer I might just implode with sadness

 

[Master Zik]

Gotta watch comedy movies if you want an hr or so of escapism.

 

[servechilled81]

watch some Broad City, that ought to lift your spirits

 

[noskey]

Watch Salo.


Couple that with your current emotional fragility, and you'll never feel a feel again

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Here's a great PSH tribute. At 20+ mins long, it's not a quick watch but it's a great tribute. Make's me even sadder he's gone but thankful for all of the films he left behind because all of them a rewatchable, all of them... How many actors could you say that about?





His work featured in the tribute vid.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

FEATURED WORKS
2012 A Late Quartet
2012 The Master
2011 Moneyball
2011 The Ides of March
2010 Jack Goes Boating
2009 The Invention of Lying
2009 Pirate Radio
2009 Mary and Max
2008 Doubt
2008 Synecdoche, New York
2007 Charlie Wilson's War
2007 Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
2007 The Savages
2006 Mission: Impossible III
2005 Capote
2005 Empire Falls (TV Movie)
2004 Along Came Polly
2003 Cold Mountain
2003 Mattress Man Commercial (Video short)
2003 Owning Mahowny
2002 25th Hour
2002 Punch-Drunk Love
2002 Love Liza
2000 Almost Famous
2000 State and Main
1999 The Talented Mr. Ripley
1999 Magnolia
1999 Flawless
1998 Patch Adams
1998 Happiness
1998 The Big Lebowski
1998 Next Stop Wonderland
1998 Montana
1997 Boogie Nights
1996 Twister
1996 Hard Eight
1994 Nobody's Fool
1994 When a Man Loves a Woman
1993 Money for Nothing
1993 My Boyfriend's Back
1992 Scent of a Woman
1992 Leap of Faith
1991 Law & Order

Edit - At the risk of this statement being hyperbole, if you aren't moved by every single performance in this tribute vid, then you just don't like film. I'm just in utter awe of this...

 

[mronegative]

^I been meaning to watch that, but I feel like a movie marathon would ensue.

...

David Simon, creator of The Wire, on 12 Years a Slave

He....words....I couldn't.

And it's the same way I felt. Saw it last week, feel like gotta see it again, cuz it was...a lot the first time.

 

[awwsome]

David Simon

 

[am1x90xnike]

Man...if you liked 12 years a slave, that's cool. That movie really upset me...correction...the unanimous praise of this violence porn, white charity movie upset me. This is the last ill post of it...but damnit I'm mad black people like this movie. Personally can't watch a movie where a Blackman beats a slave, where our only salvation is charity from a white man...where he asks 'am I suppose to give up who I am to survive' and he answers with 'Yes.' I can't watch a Blackman do nothing as his fellow negroes are killed...I for damn sure cant praise that.

I don't care if it was true, every true story doesn't need to be told. I'd rather hear a fake story with a good message than I real movie with a message of shame.

I hate that movie...I never say hate, that's a powerful word...this movie, I hate. It's bad for black people, it's bad for white people, it's bad for America.

Plus, it's a British movie about American slavery, but he's colored and were all the same...bs no way you can understand the pain of slavery if you aren't a Negro, comment from a distance brah.


This is my last post about this movie. I'm ashamed blacks condone this violence porn propeganda.

 

[rook]

Still havent seen 12 years and for a good reason. Idk if i can handle that.

I literally would have to be in the right mood which rarely happens.

 

[awwsome]

Still havent seen 12 years and for a good reason. Idk if i can handle that.

I literally would have to be in the right mood which rarely happens.

It's one of the best films of the decade so far, you'd only be doing yourself a disservice by not watching it.

 

[Master Zik]

In case yall missed them







Keyboard Cat was the best

 

[rook]

Still havent seen 12 years and for a good reason. Idk if i can handle that.

I literally would have to be in the right mood which rarely happens.

It's one of the best films of the decade so far, you'd only be doing yourself a disservice by not watching it.

I understand. I'm just saying i have to be in the right mindset to watch the movie in full. Just the way I am

 

[Master Zik]

Man...if you liked 12 years a slave, that's cool. That movie really upset me...correction...the unanimous praise of this violence porn, white charity movie upset me. This is the last ill post of it...but damnit I'm mad black people like this movie. Personally can't watch a movie where a Blackman beats a slave, where our only salvation is charity from a white man...where he asks 'am I suppose to give up who I am to survive' and he answers with 'Yes.' I can't watch a Blackman do nothing as his fellow negroes are killed...I for damn sure cant praise that.

I don't care if it was true, every true story doesn't need to be told. I'd rather hear a fake story with a good message than I real movie with a message of shame.

I hate that movie...I never say hate, that's a powerful word...this movie, I hate. It's bad for black people, it's bad for white people, it's bad for America.

Plus, it's a British movie about American slavery, but he's colored and were all the same...bs no way you can understand the pain of slavery if you aren't a Negro, comment from a distance brah.


This is my last post about this movie. I'm ashamed blacks condone this violence porn propeganda.

So to sum it up it sounds like you wanted some sugar coated bull **** and are mad at the realities of the story and history to the point you'll be hyperbolic as possible.

Also the last part is complete and utter bull **** given the guy who did the screenplay by adapting Solomon's story is African American and the director is from England and of Trinidadian and Grenadian descent. Calling this a British movie and therefore they can't understand the "pain of slavery" (which you also have problem with when it's depicted in the movie) is ridiculous.

 

[am1x90xnike]

So to sum it up it sounds like you wanted some sugar coated bull **** and are mad at the realities of the story and history to the point you'll be hyperbolic as possible.

Ill acknowledge but won't answer. Not worth it.

If you needed this movie to make you feel how terrible slavery was, this generation is lost.

 

[noskey]

Rook, I understand that point. There are certain types of films I need to be excited for to get in to. This one, however, I don't think you can ever be ready for. It's not like any other film about slavery. It's really, really rough.


I've had a rough draft of what I wanted to post about 12 Years on my phone's browser for a while, but just havent gotten around to finishing the post (not that it's long or insightful a la Mr. Simon). But what I will say is that I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a hell of a lot. The film lived up to my expectations and then some. So far it's my favorite film of 2013; I still have to see Her and Dallas Buyers Club. Here's what I took away the most from the film.

The film, while not the most original source material, certainly did have an original story. I've never seen a film about a free man being kidnapped and sold into slavery, much less had the will power to survive and fight his way back into the free world; to fight to return to his family. This kind of story is a very touchy one, and I do think that McQueen is one of the few active directors that have the right kind of touch and nuance and determination to present the story correctly. The film was very blunt in its approach; McQueen and Co. didn't hold back, didn't flinch in the face of the brutality, and for that McQueen and Co. were rewarded. Not everyone will enjoy or like the film; that's their opinion. Mine and the seemingly overwhelming opinion is that this film about slavery was done very right in all aspects.

But the film would be nothing without the performances within. The acting in this film was astonishing. Obviously Ejiofor and Fassbender were at the top of their game. Each and every actor involved in this elevated their craft. Even if only in the film for a mere few scenes; Paul Dano comes to mind. He was, in my opinion, the most underrated actor in 12 Years. He portrayed such a despicable, evil, and yet weak man, and did it so well. Fassbender played the prototypical plantation owner as best he could as well. The adultering, cruel, alcoholic with no remorse or sympathy for anyone but himself, becoming Solomon's ultimate test in strength. The man tried as best he could to break Solomon's spirit, but alas good outlasted and defeated evil in a time when evil was society's norm. Kudos to all actors involved.

The cinematography was another strong point in the film that was overlooked too often in discussions. The camerawork and location shots was fantastic, capturing the old southern plantation lands, the subtle beauty contrasting the disgusting actions within the landscape. There were plenty of great shots, from Solomon hanging on the tree for hours to the pig pen chase to the relieving final shot of Solomon in his home. On top of all of it though, I was most taken back by the long cut of Solomon staring into the camera, staring at us. McQueen and Chiwetel begging us why we're entertained by this film, this story of slavery, through his harrowing expression.

McQueen is becoming my favorite active director right now. McQueen and Fassbender are quickly becoming my favorite director-actor duo in action right now. And soon I suspect the film society as a whole will equate them with Marty & Leo. They're on a roll, and they've shown they both can explore different roles and films.

Congrats on the well deserved Academy Award, Steve McQueen.

 

[Master Zik]

So to sum it up it sounds like you wanted some sugar coated bull **** and are mad at the realities of the story and history to the point you'll be hyperbolic as possible.

Ill acknowledge but won't answer. Not worth it.

If you needed this movie to make you feel how terrible slavery was, this generation is lost.

That's not what the movie did.

Good thing ONeg posted that Simon piece, his opinion covers it all quite nicely.

I’m fresh out of a theater in Santa Monica, California where I’ve watched 12 Years A Slave for the second time, having seen it several days ago on a laptop screen through a dedicated download. I’ll be honest. I wanted to write something after absorbing the narrative and the imagery the first time, but I was so wrought that I didn’t trust myself.

Had a film with American participation actually addressed the original sin of our nationhood so bluntly, so honestly? Was the film really as careful and delicate and dispassionate with the historical reality? Was the restraint that i felt in the telling really there, or had the punches been carefully loaded as Hollywood is so apt to do?

On first viewing, I was simply startled by how genuinely fair the storytelling had been with the subject matter. Sadism and soullessness was balanced by moments of regret and conscience on the part of white characters. Accomodation and supplication on the part of Southern slaves was punctuated by moments of desperate courage and dignity.

On second viewing — with me in a darkened theater with a big screen, looking for the rough seams and filmic dishonesties — I emerged thinking precisely the same about this remarkable work. This film didn’t cheat our national history. It didn’t allude to horror, nor did it revel in it. It marks the first time in history that our entertainment industry, albeit with international creative input, has managed to stare directly at slavery and maintain that gaze.

Everyone who had anything to do with this film getting made — from the producers, to director Steve McQueen, and the committed, talented cast — should sleep tonight and every night knowing that for once, the escapism, bluster and simple provocation that marks a good 95 percent of our film output has been somehow flanked, and subversively so. These people have told a hideous and essential story about our nation’s great and longstanding sin with such calm and clarity that if we accept the film on its actual terms, rather than through the cluttered prism of our own racial and political sensibilities, only two kinds of folk will emerge from theaters.

And for those still desperate to mitigate our national reality at every possible cost, this film will be an affront. It is not intelligently assailable by anyone, though the racial divide and resentment that still occupies our national character a century and a half after abolition will prompt certain creatures to pull at threads, hoping against hope. Mostly, those who want to pretend to another American history will just avoid the film or the discussion that ensues

I've long understood that ppl that'll avert their eyes and use buzz words like "violence porn" aren't worth a lick of salt.

 

[ecruteakcityboy]

Guys let me tell you something. Back when The Social Network first came out I torrented it , burned it onto a DVD disc, and took it to my bestfriend's house to watch it. Even though in 2010 you could say we were late to the party when it came to Facebook, it was a big deal to us and we thought we would do the movie justice by watching it while eating pizza and drinking a few brews (senior year of high school btw). Anyways back then my appreciation for film wasn't as great as it is now and my friend on the other hand like B-list action movies. Cringe worthy movies with terrible plot lines. Anyways we put it on and watch it on his 55" newly acquired Sanyo HDTV that his mom just bought at Wal-Mart. We were all settled in and by the time the movie started we were so excited. 10 minutes later and we are asking each other wtf is going on. Another 10 minutes go by and we shut it off and put it Due Date.

Now for about the last year and half I've been on a tear watching movies. Watching on average one to two movies a week. When I come across a director I like , I like to start off by checking out their earlier catalog and work my way up. Well the time had come for The Social Network as I have now seen every Fincher movie besides A3 and Tattoo (it's late and I'm sleepy as I type this ) . I remember watching this for the first time and remembered how much of a snooze fest I THOUGHT IT WAS. But now, with a new found respect for cinema, and Fincher DA GAWD (right next to PTA in my book ) i figured this movie might actually be worth my time.

AND OMFG IT WAS. :x :x :x

I love Seven, I love Fight Club, and Zodiac is FANTASTIC but this, this is his true masterpiece. It was the dialogue bruh. It was so damn exciting. I seriously was grinning the whole way through. Every single line seemed well written and true to character. I mean god damn every scene was dramatic. It was so good that even my 13 year old brother found it to be entertaining. Everybody played their role well. Jesse Eisenberg nailed it. So did my boy JT. They made Winklevoss seem so.damn.cool . That Ivy-League white boy business-major swag was through the damn roof. . Oh and lets not forget Andrew Garfield . I had no idea he was in this movie and to see SPIDERMAN come out of left field with a performance like that overwhelmed me. Fincher's dark grimey style was PERFECT for this movie.

This is one of those movies I'll be watching over and over again. Oh and this movie on Blu-Ray looks

GOOD ****, MAN

 

[am1x90xnike]

**** it.

1st. The acting is incredible. Nothing can take away from that. Every character was believable. From the jealous wife, to the desperate and confused patsy.

2nd. Cinematography was amazing. The visuals were top notch.

That being said...no way in hell do I think this movie had a good message. It should have been buried in history.

What 'strength' did plat show? The strength the beat another slave? The strength to never runaway? The strength to accept a name that ain't his 'to survive?' My man was weak.


I get it, it was an honest depiction if slavery, the cruelty, the horror...but I have readso many books on the subject...I mean, not to say this but if you're not hip to that period of history then this probably impacted you different than it did me.

That's what I feel people are keying on 'it was an accurate depiction of slavery' which to me, is pandering to the less educated.

I watched this and saw violence, didn't see the humanity that was also a part of slavery. My man ain't smile for 12 years...that's bs. My man ain't form a single bond or relationship...that's bs.

I've read dozens of slave narratives, all of them expressed some brief moments of joy. Completely ignoring those seems to force my hand as a viewer, making me feel only pain and not the full pantheon of human emotion


Also, this isn't a documentary, it's a drama film...there are stories left in the table. What were his kids like? Did he dream of them? Where's a love story?

If people would honestly look at this movie, outside of slavery, they would see, it's not the greatest screenplay, trading cruelty for soul.

Make a list of what you expect from all movies, then compare this movie and you'll see, it ain't that great, beautiful yea...so was Avatar, don't make it great...great acting...absolutely... So was Great Gatsby...don't make it great.

It really does offend me that people are so high in this'd he, I feel like its patronizing, saying 'make a visually appealing movie with good acting about slavery and everyone will love it...story be damned'

Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

I'm done. Ill move away from this subject and hope, outside if NT I never have to acknowledge this film exists.

 

[Master Zik]

It's a movie, so @ pandering to the less educated. I'm well educated on that period of American history and 20 min in to the movie I already knew what type of movie it was going to be. So I dunno maybe you need to watch more movies. Maybe you just don't like these types of movies. For example, something leaning more to fiction, I wouldn't suggest something like The Road to you cuz you'd probably come back pissing and moaning from that too with similar complaints. Watching this movie I knew not to expect a love story of all damn things like seriously

So yeah, complaining about you read books about slavery is not going to cut it. You can read a 1000 books about it but that's not the same as watching a good movie about it and also lets not pretend there's a 1000 movies about this subject that are as good as 12 Years A Slave. I mean seriously, you're reasoning is I've read a bunch of slave narratives, I know this already so the movie wasn't good. Your perceptions seems completely twisted and warped.

I really think you should re-watch the movie if your memory is that poor. Solomon definitely smiled throughout those 12 years and laughed. You may need to look up the definitions of the words "brief", "moment", and "joy" since you used them. He definitely had his family on his mind. Keep in mind the majority of the movie is from Solomon's viewpoint and rarely anybody else's. Solomon didn't try to run away? He didn't show strength? (no surprise you can only try to relate that to another scene of struggle and despair since it seems the only thing you can be focused on) Those complaints really make it seem as if you only could focus on the violence to spite all of the actual drama and dialogue within the movie.

It really seems you wanted the reality of slavery to be falsely depicted as sunshine and roses, happy negros picking cotton and loving massa, enjoying scraps, and other ministrel show nonsense until Solomon decides to take the whip out of his master hands beat him, smash his wife, and then run off in to the sunset back to his family. If that's what you wanted you could've saved yourself some time and go watch Life and enjoyed Samuel L Jackson's character in DJango Unchained.

 

[noskey]

Dont forget the love story. The slaves need to fall in love with each other.

 

[japanair21]

Wait.

I don't understand what the uproar is all about.

This is about one manes trials and tribulations about slavery. Not a sweeping commentary on slavery as a whole. Of course they didn't do that, that wasn't their message.

British people aren't supposed to make films about any other country other than England?

Bernardo Bertolucci would love to have a chitchat with you.

Americans have been making films about other countries for ages now.

I was perfectly fine that the cast/crew was British. It's not like Americans today are any more-informed than the British are who do their homework.

 

[denni5themenace]

ya'll dudes really entertaining homies dislike for 12 years a slave? dude made a thread about it being showed in schools, wouldn't get over it in the oscar thread, and is now flooding this thread?

 

[Master Zik]

ya'll dudes really entertaining homies dislike for 12 years a slave? dude made a thread about it being showed in schools, wouldn't get over it in the oscar thread, and is now flooding this thread?

I saw the school thread but never clicked on it. All I thought was oh that's a good thing in this day and age given some schools are trying to redact slavery out of the history books and gloss over American history just cuz it's ugly and views one group of ppl in a negative light.

I only remembered his posts from the 12 Years thread cuz of his recent posts in the Oscar thread.

My bad though, I'll leave it alone. It was just that after I got a refresher of what his problems with the movie were it just came off as more and more inane and reactionary than a thorough and unbiased viewing of the film.

To think I thought ppl complaining about hating Wolf of Wall St were on something

 

[denni5themenace]

like its cool to discuss it, but holy ****. its as if dude is looking for someone to argue with. he should at least keep it to one thread

 

[iYen]

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