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But I have said the Hunger Games is awesome. Probably the best movie series running right now that Batman has ended. Only the Amazing Spider-Man can surpass it.
Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T
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My bad, then. Just got my 'great movies that are hated by Antidope the Drake fan in a sleeved NBA jersey' mixed up.
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I also did not care for The Godfather
Okay, see that's a reasonable opinion.
The Godfather is like Star Wars. It's super iconic. There's 50 different images from it that you and everyone know, whether they've seen it or not. There are like 20 quotes that are just American proverbs now, that no one really knows where they came from. And it changed most of the major films that came after it, from the characters to the structure to the aesthetic to the writing to the relationships to the themes. And a lot of them either took parts from it, or built on it's shoulders in more interesting, faster paced, and modern ways. I mean, Godfather was THE modern blockbuster when it came out. It came out before The Exorcist...Jaws...Rocky...or even Star Wars. Just now...it's to the point where they're so proclaimed as amazing, that if you come late, you're either all in or just looking at it from a historical point of view, like...that's really impressive for 19--.
And the sequel wasn't a real thing before Godfather. You could see another installment with a character like James Bond or the Man with No Name, yeah. Maybe a cheaper cash grab. And they'd almost always be less liked or come out a forever later than the one before. But then there was Godfather, Part II.
So yeah, today...I could never sit through any of them again, but I respect what they are and how well they were made. I can see how, before all the big movies we got after it, that was THE movie. And Brando.
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And L2B... don't go down the same road he's going, man. I hate it has to be you. We family, bruh. I can't let you speak like this.
Huh?
Where am I going?
I don't share his sentiments bro I was just pointing out where the topic was headed and giving people a warning
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darthska
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I see how you meant it now.
Thought you were saying "Now, [I agree], the Godfather is awful. Heavy trolling alert!"
But you meant "[Wait, so] Now the Godfather is awful? Heavy trolling alert!"
Gotcha.
We good.
Thought you were saying "Now, [I agree], the Godfather is awful. Heavy trolling alert!"
But you meant "[Wait, so] Now the Godfather is awful? Heavy trolling alert!"
Gotcha.
We good.
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So yeah, today...I could never sit through any of them again, but I respect what they are and how well they were made. I can see how, before all the big movies we got after it, that was THE movie. And Brando.
That's pretty much where I'm at the with the Godfather films. Respect them as art, admire the performances and appreciate for what they did for film in general. But I seriously doubt I'd ever sit through any of them in their entirety again.
And Ska - I join you on the anti-Scarface list. And I saw it long before it became every rapper's favorite movie. Just way too over-the-top for my taste. Over-the-top can work in some films, but doesn't in that one, IMO.
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I think the biggest problem we face in here is that people have an opinion but want it to be gospel for everyone or chalk it up to people being sheep, following the machine, or whatever other phrase.
I loved Godfather I & II, II more than I. I've watched II over & over & over again. My wife always chuckled because whenever it was on A&E, I had to watch it until the end. Even if I caught it at 11PM on a Tuesday, I had to finish it to the end. Luckily, it hasn't been on lately...
Man, Winter Soldier is getting really good buzz...
I loved Godfather I & II, II more than I. I've watched II over & over & over again. My wife always chuckled because whenever it was on A&E, I had to watch it until the end. Even if I caught it at 11PM on a Tuesday, I had to finish it to the end. Luckily, it hasn't been on lately...
Man, Winter Soldier is getting really good buzz...
Scarface was really great on many levels tho.
For one, Pacino. I know his accent bothers folks in that movie, but in terms of what his character was, and that era, he was amazing.
The story, rise, fall, relationship with Manny, his family, the feds, his bosses, everything, was all so great for 1982. I think it's a bit dated now, and people are bothered by that, but for that time, dude getting chainsawed in the shower is kind of a big deal. Nowadays we can see that kind of **** on live internet.
For one, Pacino. I know his accent bothers folks in that movie, but in terms of what his character was, and that era, he was amazing.
The story, rise, fall, relationship with Manny, his family, the feds, his bosses, everything, was all so great for 1982. I think it's a bit dated now, and people are bothered by that, but for that time, dude getting chainsawed in the shower is kind of a big deal. Nowadays we can see that kind of **** on live internet.
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It's hard to rate movies outside of their time period, especially the ones that "were the first of their time." For example, is True Detective going to be the piff to someone who sees it twenty years from now? Part of the allure of most movies is the general agreement, when someone doesn't agree then it gets a little out of hand. Personally, I try my hardest to not let public opinion sway my view, I'll take notice because everyone else has, but I won't like it because everyone else likes it or hate it because everyone else hates it. I'll never hate someone for going against the grain (I'm the 12 Years a Slave "hater"....I really do hate that movie).
Also, there is no "objective" view of movies; hell, few people can even tell you what they look for in a movie. I bet, if you made a list of things you look for in a movie, breaking down each part of said list, some sort of "objective" standard, you would have movies you loved fall outside of that list and movies you hate would fall inside that list, it's the nature of the best, it's art, you either like it or you don't. Saying things like "Machine" "You just don't get it" are cop outs to make yourself feel better.
/2 cents.
Also, there is no "objective" view of movies; hell, few people can even tell you what they look for in a movie. I bet, if you made a list of things you look for in a movie, breaking down each part of said list, some sort of "objective" standard, you would have movies you loved fall outside of that list and movies you hate would fall inside that list, it's the nature of the best, it's art, you either like it or you don't. Saying things like "Machine" "You just don't get it" are cop outs to make yourself feel better.
/2 cents.
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Scarface was just meh to me... The story is great, some of the performances from the actors in the movie are great, but I've never been Brian De Palma fan. I looooooove the Giorgio Moroder soundtrack though... One of the all time great soundtracks IMO...
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The acting, bro, the acting in Scarface... is PUTRID.
Everyone.
Yes, even Pacino.
Pfeiffer.
The whole lot.
The storyline is choppy.
The budget couldn't have been more than $100.
I definitely feel like that's a movie people like because they're supposed to. We ALLLL know dudes who have Scarface SOMETHING... and haven't even seen the damn thing. Stewie Griffin 'Scarface' tee shirt, Scarface poster, SOMETHING, never even watched the freaking movie.
Everyone.
Yes, even Pacino.
Pfeiffer.
The whole lot.
The storyline is choppy.
The budget couldn't have been more than $100.
I definitely feel like that's a movie people like because they're supposed to. We ALLLL know dudes who have Scarface SOMETHING... and haven't even seen the damn thing. Stewie Griffin 'Scarface' tee shirt, Scarface poster, SOMETHING, never even watched the freaking movie.
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Agreed, and I've been told that I take movies too seriously because of this.
I don't want just to watch.
I want to be challenged. I want to see intense character struggle. No, not some 'The Sandlot' struggle, new kid not fitting in, or trying to get a baseball from the other side of the fence.
I'm talking about trying to overcome a fatherless, motherless childhood filled w/ sexual abuse and torture (Good Will Hunting, Antwone Fisher), or winning a Nobel Prize despite living w/ a very crippling disorder that very few understand (A Beautiful Mind), or taking the place of your little sister in a death game, and winning it by actually killing very few people (Hunger Games), or connecting the dots to understand how destructive we are to this planet (Avatar, The Happening), or being taken from your parents as a boy and growing up being raised as an elite warrior... even though you just want your mommy (Star Wars), having a special gift but being too incompetent to maximize the talents of that gift (The Green Mile), or watching someone with a special gift be falsely accused of something you know he didn't do (The Green Mile).
I want to see character struggle, INTENSE character struggle. I want to see a well written storyline that shows a really powerful character struggle that challenges me, provokes thought in people, people I can then talk to about how intense the movie was, how we would like to think we would react in that situation, and how we would realistically react, or even what we have in common w/ their struggle.
I'm very picky w/ my movies, I'm told, and I hate that more people aren't more picky, honestly. I feel like if people had standards, Hollywood wouldn't be churning out as much stale crap.
Instead, I'm bombarded w/ these crapfests that get movie reviews like "Ooooh, neato! The lighting was perfect in certain scenes, and the use of 4 dogs instead of 2 was brilliant!"
The MC in Hunger Games reminds me a TON of a lot of movie critics these days, to be honest. Glamorizing the spectacle, but not paying attention to what's going on. "Wooooooowwww! Her dress caught on FIRE!!!"
Yeah, I know I sound like an elitist.
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If there was one movie that was solely hyped up by "the machine" it was American Hustle.
Subpar story, subpar movie.
Just outstanding performances.
But man..: nominated for best picture?
GT.F.OHWTBS.
Movie was SO overrated.
I was so happy it didn't win any awards.
But I did like Adams and JLa's scenes
Eh.
American Hustle was the best movie of the year right behind 12 Years, and Her
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Yeah, to illustrate the subjectivity of it all, I'm like the opposite when it comes to watching movies. I want escapism. I want stuff that is going to make me feel good or excited. Not to say I want everything to be mindless. Challenging is fine, but I don't want to feel emotionally drained or depressed because of a movie - if that makes any sense. So, I tend to stay away from stuff that is really bleak and serious.
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Lone Survivor/Fruitvale Station/Dallas Buyers Club/Gravity are all better than American Hustle
Great performances by Bale/Adams/Coop though
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This could get really deep really quick, but I think escapism is a rampant disease, honestly.
People avoid the pains of the reality minute-by-minute, then use things like movies to avoid that painful reality.
Suppression.
The stuff that's bleak and serious? My forte. LOVE it. Life is Beautiful is another one that comes to mind.
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Didn't see any of them...I think American Hustle is the best movie THAT I SAW last year.
And don't hit me with the "well if you didn't see all the movies, how can you say which one was the best?" Because no one, I repeat no one in this thread has seen every movie that came out last year, I've seen a bunch of them, probably different than the ones you've seen. That's the beauty of the cinema, there is so much choice...it's all subjective. I've seen it three times since I saw it in theaters...each movie affects each person differently.
As far as escapism...if I wake up in hell, everyday, dad rapes me, brother beats me, mom doesn't care...am I really wrong for not wanting to see that in a movie? They can't match my pain, so why not watch something that brings me a little joy, as opposed to constantly wallowing in my misery?
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You should check out all 4 especially Fruitvale Station and Lone Survivor
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Lone Survivor was visually a tough watch. I literally cringed with every tumble down the rocks and I almost could feel their bones breaking. Great movie nonetheless without being a "US hooooo-rah! we are the best" TV commercial.
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Murph
I think I blend all 3.
Escape, entertain, and challenge.
I watch and enjoy almost anything. I can watch Iron Man 3 and be fine. Then watch Casino. Then watch something as sobering as Lone Survivor.
Clearly 3 different levels of movies, but all provide something, even something as "crappy" as what IM3 turned out to be. Don't matter, it's part of a larger picture (Marvel Universe) that I escape into.
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I don't like a movie to force me to "feel" a certain way, I hate overly emotional movies, I also hate movies with a clear "hook" i.e violence, misery, shame,perfection, joy etc.
. I don't like movies with an obvious message, give me some subtlity, even if it's a subtle as a Mac Truck busting through the frame with "The Man" on the side, as long as it doesn't come across as "yeah, we gotta get the man because he's so bad."
There are ways to push the message of a story without hitting you over the head with it, think Nebraska, the message was dementia and stubbornest of midwesterners, they didn't have to tell you in every seen, but they did throw some obvious showings of him being slightly off, hell even his kids said it, but I never felt it was a movie "about" dementia, it felt like a movie about family...the center of which was the Patriarch(not really even a patriarch) with dementia.
. I don't like movies with an obvious message, give me some subtlity, even if it's a subtle as a Mac Truck busting through the frame with "The Man" on the side, as long as it doesn't come across as "yeah, we gotta get the man because he's so bad."
There are ways to push the message of a story without hitting you over the head with it, think Nebraska, the message was dementia and stubbornest of midwesterners, they didn't have to tell you in every seen, but they did throw some obvious showings of him being slightly off, hell even his kids said it, but I never felt it was a movie "about" dementia, it felt like a movie about family...the center of which was the Patriarch(not really even a patriarch) with dementia.
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Nebraska?
*noted*
Thank you, sir. Sounds like a good story.
*noted*
Thank you, sir. Sounds like a good story.
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dudeeeeeeeee
Fruitvale doesn't get enough love
Being from the bay area, I obviously knew the story-- but the damn thing was so well done I almost cried
I hated Gravity. I respect it. Visually =
but it was a **** watchand Dallas Buyer's was good. Americna Hustle was just way more my speed. Maybe I'm just a sucker for David O.
