Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[rook]

Its one of those shows that makes you feel apart of the show. Know what i mean? It makes you feel like coach taylor is really somebody you know. His daughter storyline was actually amazing for awhile and made you feel like you knew her. On top of other things.

Show was written great

 

[antidope]

I hear you Antidope, this always happens to me whenever I see a "classic" movie after it's time passes

Pop culture references ruin the novelty / obsolete special effects are glaring/ or just not aging well

That's why there's a ton of highly-touted movies that i will never watch

Star Wars really has to be ingested as early as possible.. without as little outside influence on the viewer. You could have seen it as a kid, teenager, adult, when they originally came out... or you could have seen it as a younger kid in the 90s before all the prequels came out and you'd be good.


But if you see it in your 20s... after all the prequels... after Robot Chicken and Family Guy and the millions of parodies and references? Yeah... it's just not going to be the same.


Too much has happened since they came out for it to carry the same kind of weight.

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS

 

[am1x90xnike]

Star Wars storyline >> than 90% of movie storylines I've seen in a long while.

I'll drop this here also...

 The Fox, Lucasfilm Ltd. movie Star Wars, directed by George Lucas in 1977, became very famous for many reasons, but I believe that much of its success stems from the film's profound symbolism. Since the release of the movie, discussions have taken place regarding the mythic underpinnings of Star Wars, and the film's strong influence derived from author Joseph Campbell, and his work The Hero with a Thousand Faces.
While there is no question that George Lucas deliberately developed the film's mythic qualities, in interviews, he states that he did not consciously incorporate religion into the film's symbolism. I would like to analyze this aspect of the film's symbolism, along with the influence of historical events.

Symbolism of Religion in Star Wars

After watching the movie Star Wars, it is not difficult to pick up on even the most vague symbolism, and I believe that much of it is aimed toward religion.

Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, and the Jedi come to rely heavily on what they call "The Force." This "Force" seems to be a powerful field surrounding, filling, and influencing all things. Those that put their faith in The Force cannot fail. This "Force" can perhaps be related to the symbol of the Holy Trinity, or the union of God, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit that is present in everything that occurs in the universe. When Obi-Wan says, "you can destroy me, but I will become more powerful than you can imagine" to Vader during their Light Saber duel, he implies that by dying and going to be with "The Force" (God), he becomes much more powerful. Just as the Jedi who puts his faith in the Force will be successful, so too will the human who puts faith in the Holy Trinity.

While Luke Skywalker may not be a direct equivalent of Jesus Christ in Star Wars, he certainly fits part of the profile. It is well-known that for a time, good must battle evil to prevail, but with the coming of Jesus Christ, good will reign as evil will exist no more. The battle between the Dark Side and the Good Side can be symbolic of Armageddon, or the final battle between good and evil before good will exist alone. Luke Skywalker has many battles with the Dark Side, and while it may not be known exactly what may occur in these battles, one can be sure that he will always be victorious.

It is also possible that one may perceive Princess Leia as a Mary figure in Star Wars. Luke Skywalker cares for Princess Leia, and would almost certainly sacrifice his life to save hers if necessary. She definitely has divine characteristics, as her white garments are never disheveled and she never seems to be worried about the outcome of an encounter, even in dangerous situations. She seems confident that she will escape without harm.

Han Solo is an example of how the will to do good can affect any person, even those that seem hopeless, in a positive manner. In the beginning, Han's attitude is only uncaring and self-satisfying. He states that he "only takes orders from himself" and his only incentive in transporting Obi-Wan and Luke to the Death Star to rescue Princess Leia is the possibility of a monetary reward from her. He cares only for himself and his own desires; however, after being with Obi-Wan and Luke and realizing their genuine desire to do good deeds, Han returns to assist Luke in destroying the Death Star, not for the promise of a reward, but because he has realized that it is the right thing to do.

There can be no good without evil, whether on-screen or in life, and the Empire, or The Dark Side in Star Wars represents the evil that humans are sure to face at one time or another. It would seem as though Darth Vader would be an ideal Satan figure given his solid black attire and menacing persona, but after analyzing his character, one will perceive that he is not entirely evil. Darth Vader was once a highly-respected Jedi Knight that chose the evil Dark Side rather than remain with the Good. He still has some of the power of the Force, but not as much as the Good Side. This indicates that evil is powerful only to an extent, but good is all-powerful. This brings to mind the story of Lucifer, who was a powerful angel of God, but chose evil instead of remaining with good, and consequently was banished as Satan to the fires of Hell for eternity. One difference between the two is that Darth Vader eventually makes a conversion to the Good Side, indicating that even the most evil-natured can still come to God, while Satan is banished to Hell eternally with no chance of coming again to God.

This leads to the character that, in Star Wars, is more Satan-like: the Emperor Palpatine. While Darth Vader is indeed evil and tempts Luke Skywalker, just as Satan tempts Christians, he is only carrying out the orders given him by the Emperor. Vader represents more of a second-in-command figure, much like Satan's second-in-command, Beelzebub, which is why he eventually makes the conversion. The Emperor is truly evil and represents Satan because he too has lost all chance of conversion.

The Storm Troopers of the Dark Side are like the legions of Satan's fallen angels. The Storm Troopers are loyal to the evil side just as the legions are loyal to Satan, although it seems strange that the Storm Troopers are dressed in white rather than black.

The Death Star is symbolic of Pandemonium, the palace of Satan, and is the center of evil. This is an area where evil is allowed to do as it pleases and must be destroyed if evil is to be conquered.

Symbolism of Historical Events in Star Wars

Although not quite as powerful in Star Wars as the symbolism of religion, I believe that there is a strong historical influence behind many of the scenes in the film.

In religion, I compared the character of Darth Vader to Satan's second-in-command, Beelzebub, because Vader takes orders only from the Emperor Palpatine, but is in command of virtually all of the destructive forces operating from the Death Star. Likewise, Beelzebub is in command of Satan's legions of fallen angels, or more specifically, demons. Since World War II, many have classified the actions of German commander Adolf Hitler as Satan-like due to his extreme evil qualities and persecution of the Jewish. Hitler was effective enough at commanding his forces that most actually enjoyed the horrible acts that they carried out on the prisoners of war in their captivity. Although it is not likely that George Lucas intentionally designed Darth Vader to be perceived in this manner, with the other comparisons between historical events and Star Wars, it is not difficult to place him in this role.

After escaping the Death Star, Luke Skywalker must return to destroy the center of evil operations before it is within range of destroying the rebel encampment. After receiving the initial strike from evil forces at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, that set up World War II, America was forced to retalitate with strikes on the enemy. Just as the Jedi strike on the Death Star was a valiant effort against overwhelming odds, many of the strikes in World War II suffered heavy losses, but were overall successful. The Allied bombing raids on Berlin, Germany, from November 1943 to March 1944 were effective at damaging the city, but almost 600 bombers were lost in the strikes. This is reminiscent of the strike on the Death Star, in which most of the Jedi fighters were destroyed, but the center of Empire operations was annihilated.

The historical aspect of Star Wars that I have found most comparable to the German forces in World War II is the title that Lucas has given to the Empire soldiers. They are known as Imperial Storm Troopers, just as Hitler's soldiers were called Storm Troopers. I find this far too close to be coincidental, and this strengthens the symbolic link between Adolf Hitler and Darth Vader.

Whether George Lucas intentionally intended these religious and historical allusions in Star Wars is uncertain, but many have felt their presence in the film. This interpretation is probably one reason why Star Wars enjoyed so much success as a science fiction film.

 

[sb]

i have been watching the office recently. this guy dwight has to be one of the best characters ever. rainn wilson was born for that role. the facial expressions puts the character at another level.

 

[mronegative]

The Taylors felt like family. :\

I mean, if you said any of the 20-some characters on FNL was your favorite, anybody would understand.

...except for Julie Taylor. And Santiago who doesn't exist anymore.

 

[IATT]

speaking of friday night lights.. cant believe tim riggins has picked such terrible movies to star in..

just started watching sons of anarchy, but glad charlie hunnam went with 'green street hooligans' and more recently 'pacific rim'

 

[big j 33]

I hear you Antidope, this always happens to me whenever I see a "classic" movie after it's time passes

Pop culture references ruin the novelty / obsolete special effects are glaring/ or just not aging well

That's why there's a ton of highly-touted movies that i will never watch

Star Wars really has to be ingested as early as possible.. without as little outside influence on the viewer. You could have seen it as a kid, teenager, adult, when they originally came out... or you could have seen it as a younger kid in the 90s before all the prequels came out and you'd be good.


But if you see it in your 20s... after all the prequels... after Robot Chicken and Family Guy and the millions of parodies and references? Yeah... it's just not going to be the same.


Too much has happened since they came out for it to carry the same kind of weight.

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS

Don't confuse that for a defense of your antics... it isn't. If you came in and said "I just couldn't get into the movies", that's one thing.. But you criticized the story, which is one of the strongest parts of the original trilogy. Then your complaint was it wasn't "spacey" enough in comparison to the original.. which is just unfair to the original movies that came out three decades ago. Of course it didn't look the same, it was impossible for it too. Furthermore, you lack proper historical context, because the special effects of Star Wars was mind-blowing at the time. Incredible advances in film techniques, tricks, innovations, etc. Look at what other movies looked like in the 70s, and see what Star Wars did to that?

Of course, the other side of the coin, is films like Jaws, Star Wars, etc., basically murdered New Hollywood and in it's wake opened the door to the modern blockbuster era.. for better or worse it helped change film forever.

It's not your fault you didn't get to appreciate the movie earlier... although people who intentionally avoid classic movies because they don't want to fall into the "machine" don't get sympathy and will be "attacked". Try to go into movies with an open mind, if you don't "get it", spend five minutes on Wikipedia reading about why it's so critically praised. Not to force yourself to agree with everyone else, but so you can at least try to understand why the praise is there.

 

[CP1708]

You can't name 5 quotes worth a **** in the 3 prequels combined.

You can have 5 famous quotes in the first hour of A New Hope.


I'm done listening to that ****, take it to the Spurs thread or something where no one will see it, it's not welcome in here, at all.

 

[am1x90xnike]

 Of course, the other side of the spectrum, is films like Jaws, Star Wars, etc., basically murdered New Hollywood and in it's wake opened the door to the modern blockbuster era.. for better or worse it helped change film forever.

This is something worth discussing.  I watched "All the Presidents Men" the other day, blown away. I'm trying to figure out why those movies were so good, but I can't put my finger on it. I mean acting hasn't really gone down hill,  there are more "bad actors" out there now, but still, the good ones (Leo, Streep, Tina Fey(Yeah I said it) etc.) are still good at what they do.

Visually the movies have gotten so much better, but then again, certain scenes from Godfather (series) and Scarface...hell even Willy Wonka looked like classic pictures that would hang on a mantel. And the comedy...don't even get me started on the Comedy, Paul Rudd and crew are damn good, but Steve Martin, Chevy Chase, Richard Pryor, John Candy...damn they could make some good movies.

 

[licensed to ball]

Big J providing Antidope with DAT ETHER.

 

[antidope]

I knew not to rep you Big J, becuase the minute I quoted you, you were going to reply with a vintage Big J post.

I am fully aware that its an unfair citicism, which is why I didnt initially post it, but it is in fact my sentiments. I can not help it. I went into the movie expecting something and it did not deliver, for circumstances beyond its control.

I also did say that the effects were a minor thing and the story was what really turned me off. That has nothing to do with effects or anything, the movie is just boring.

 

[licensed to ball]

Anti what movies do you find exciting?

Serious. List some of your favorite movies of all time so we can judge your taste a little better.

 

[CP1708]

I totally feel that the newly retro'ed Jordans are far superior to the original J's.

Look how much more color they have, and the jumpmans on the back are way better than "Nike Air" which is such a lame slogan for a popular shoe really.

And the quality is much better now than when they came out 20 years ago, I mean, come on.

No hate, that's just how I feel, 2014 IV's >>>>>>> 1989 IV's.

 

[am1x90xnike]

Star Wars News:

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/star-wars-episode-vii-to-begin-filming-in-may-1201137849/

Cliffs:

Set for December 2015

Set to start filming in May

R2D2 and the Villian are the only "set" pieces 

TV News:

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/its-a-new-playing-field-for-the-big-four-networks-1201136859/

Cliffs:

Big Four are overhauling the way the develop pilots.

 

[antidope]

Anti what movies do you find exciting?


Serious. List some of your favorite movies of all time so we can judge your taste a little better.

Shawshank Redemption is my favourite movie ever
The Batman Trilogy is my favourite trilogy
The Hunger Games
The Departed
The Town

Sports movies

 

[lawdog1]

Anti what movies do you find exciting?


Serious. List some of your favorite movies of all time so we can judge your taste a little better.

Shawshank Redemption is my favourite movie ever
The Batman Trilogy is my favourite trilogy
The Hunger Games
The Departed
The Town

Sports movies

Interesting. Those are already pretty "machine" approved films.

 

[antidope]

The machine can't be wrong all the time brah brah

 

[darthska]

I totally feel that the newly retro'ed Jordans are far superior to the original J's.

Look how much more color they have, and the jumpmans on the back are way better than "Nike Air" which is such a lame slogan for a popular shoe really.

And the quality is much better now than when they came out 20 years ago, I mean, come on.

No hate, that's just how I feel, 2014 IV's >>>>>>> 1989 IV's.

Disinfect your keyboard.

 

[darthska]

Anti what movies do you find exciting?



Serious. List some of your favorite movies of all time so we can judge your taste a little better.

Shawshank Redemption is my favourite movie ever
The Batman Trilogy is my favourite trilogy
The Hunger Games
The Departed
The Town

Sports movies

You already mentioned that you're young, and now I see you're a Brit.

All makes sense now.

Carry on, chap. 

 

[mastamind033]

Coach Taylor on FNL is my favorite television dad and father figure ever

 

[big j 33]

Anti what movies do you find exciting?




Serious. List some of your favorite movies of all time so we can judge your taste a little better.

Shawshank Redemption is my favourite movie ever
The Batman Trilogy is my favourite trilogy

The Hunger Games

The Departed

The Town


Sports movies

You already mentioned that you're young, and now I see you're a Brit.

All makes sense now.

Carry on, chap. 

Or he's Canadian.

Or just can't spell.

 

[CP1708]

I totally feel that the newly retro'ed Jordans are far superior to the original J's.


Look how much more color they have, and the jumpmans on the back are way better than "Nike Air" which is such a lame slogan for a popular shoe really.


And the quality is much better now than when they came out 20 years ago, I mean, come on.


No hate, that's just how I feel, 2014 IV's >>>>>>> 1989 IV's.

Disinfect your keyboard.

:x

I wanted to see what it's like on the other side.

It's dirty, and mind numbing.

 

[lawdog1]

Or he's Canadian.

Or just can't spell.

Or he refuses to accept the machine's perpetuation of "American" English . . . in the United States of America.



ok, ok, that's my last "machine" comment for the day . . . I think.

 

[danikerhino]

Notting Hill is a hilariously entertaining movie. Should have chose someone better looking than Julian Roberts though.

 

[lawdog1]

Notting Hill is a hilariously entertaining movie. Should have chose someone better looking than Julian Roberts though.

Solid flick. Rhys Ifans steals the show.