Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

For those interested in movies about making movies here's 2 that I know of

Tales From The Script - Doc about the art of screewriting the lives of screenwriters and the hell various of the big ones had to get through to get to where they are



Side By Side - The challenging 1 on 1 battle were going through with tech ad*****s... Digital or Film for our cinema?

 
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Just got this.. Hope it's worth the watch..
 
I don't think the Evans situation is that black and white.

Obviously, he thought he wanted to be a star when he began. Who doesn't, right? Take one role like that when you look like that, and you're going to keep getting those calls. And nobody is turning to an actor like Chris Evans to be in Beginners, Garden State, Juno, etc.

You guys are right, though. I don't think he's some actor of a generation that is being oppressed. And sure, he took the money, but apparently he was hate-acting in and slandering the movies along the way. Nobody cared, though. They knew they had him locked up, and just wanted the movies made because it's a guaranteed $100+ million. He can say what he wants; we'll all be rich soon. Who cares.

That is the embodiment of Hollywood's issues. Actors want to work on good movies just as badly as some of us want to watch them. Pretty sure no one goes to school for this, then comes into the game wanting to be a superhero their entire career. Or any permanent action star. But enough good movies just aren't there, and a lot of times, you are what you are to the major decision-makers. Just like any other job, you have to do whatever they tell you for awhile before you can become the boss or meet someone that gives you the opportunity you've been waiting for.

So yeah, you can say he sold out for the money. But he got out. And at only 32. It's not like he did it his whole life like some of these action lifers do. I'll be curious to see what he comes up with as a director with his unique perspective.
 
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What does this mean for Capt and the future of this revolutionary, albeit unwieldy, super franchise they have started with The Avengers...brilliant move by film makers none the less.
 
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Filmmaking will never be what it once was and what us diehards want until the money aspect is removed. As long as folks see the millions-billions that can be generated, the art form doesn't matter and will continue to be disrespected. You guys want great movies, start *****ing about the best filmmakers and actors of our generation focusing on becoming super wealthy instead of artists. I understand the allure and the need for financial security, but the best artist is the desperate one that's starved. When Hollywood stops seeing the money flow coming in, the popcorn nonsense will end, and the art will be restored. Thankfully we have indies to quench our thirst in the meantime, but it isn't the same.
 
Those spectacles are cool every now and then. Believe me, seeing some great visuals is part of the allure of watching a movie, but those flicks lack too much in the areas of filmmaking that matter to us. I'll deal and respect a popcorn flick if the movie isn't dependent on cliches, and has an original script with some creative plot lines and themes. I take umbrage when I'm looking at explosions for 3 hours and hearing corny dialogue riddled with subtle stereotypes.
 
What does this mean for Capt and the future of this revolutionary, albeit unwieldy, super franchise they have started with The Avengers...brilliant move by film makers none the less.

Well nothing really, Evans is contracted and thus obligated to finish his deal with Marvel that lasts through 2017.

After that then perhaps a recast (groan)
 
So I saw NOAH last night and I still can't really decide my feelings on it.

Aronofsky took the biblical story we all know (somewhat) and really amplified it. The story itself is not even about the flood, honestly they spent about 10 minutes on the flood itself.

What it really focused on was the character of Noah and his ways to fulfill "the creator" even if that means turning his back on his family etc.

There are some really weird elements in the film / added into the story (I think) because I'm not even a little religious. There are creatures called "The Watchers" (no idea of that is true biblically) and they are these big rock formed "monsters" that watchover / help Noah build the arc and stuff. That part left me scratching my head because it was just too silly.

Anthony Hopkins plays Methusala, Noah's grandfather who has these magical powers...another odd element to the story

Visually it's mostly impressive, you can't pinpoint what era the film is shot in, but it's not modern times, obviously. There aren't too many secondary characters aside from the family and Ray Winstone who plays the man who wants to kill Noah.

The story at times is simply just too unfathomable, and perhaps because I'm not religious I just won't buy into a few of the things. It's not a bad film, but I just wasn't push into one side; Good or Bad to an extreme degree.

Watson is really the star of the film in my eyes, much more so then Crowe.

I'd give it a C+/B- grade but not something that is a resounding holy crap go see it. It's not Aronofsky's fault, but it's not one of his stronger films in my eyes.
 
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Well nothing really, Evans is contracted and thus obligated to finish his deal with Marvel that lasts through 2017.

After that then perhaps a recast (groan)

Meh. I feel like once the time comes he'll hop right back on board despite these public outcries.

Can't see anyone else as Captain America at this point. And with that being said next weekend can't get here soon enough. Ready for the sequel I am!
 
So I saw NOAH last night and I still can't really decide my feelings on it.

Aronofsky took the biblical story we all know (somewhat) and really amplified it. The story itself is not even about the flood, honestly they spent about 10 minutes on the flood itself.

What it really focused on was the character of Noah and his ways to fulfill "the creator" even if that means turning his back on his family etc.

There are some really weird elements in the film / added into the story (I think) because I'm not even a little religious. There are creatures called "The Watchers" (no idea of that is true biblically) and they are these big rock formed "monsters" that watchover / help Noah build the arc and stuff. That part left me scratching my head because it was just too silly.

Anthony Hopkins plays Methusala, Noah's grandfather who has these magical powers...another odd element to the story

Visually it's mostly impressive, you can't pinpoint what era the film is shot in, but it's not modern times, obviously. There aren't too many secondary characters aside from the family and Ray Winstone who plays the man who wants to kill Noah.

The story at times is simply just too unfathomable, and perhaps because I'm not religious I just won't buy into a few of the things. It's not a bad film, but I just wasn't push into one side; Good or Bad to an extreme degree.

Watson is really the star of the film in my eyes, much more so then Crowe.

I'd give it a C+/B- grade but not something that is a resounding holy crap go see it. It's not Aronofsky's fault, but it's not one of his stronger films in my eyes.

Damn, that's upsetting. Was hoping it would be a great watch.

In your eyes, why is not Aronofsky's fault though?
 
Damn, that's upsetting. Was hoping it would be a great watch.

In your eyes, why is not Aronofsky's fault though?

it is and it isn't.

While he directed and co-wrote the film, it isn't a bad movie. Visually it impressive, there are strong scenes and the character of Noah is really torn down from this idea of "hero."

my biggest hurdle with the film, even before I sat down in the theater was a simple question for Aronofsky: "Can you make me care about the subject matter enough to invest in since I am not even a little bit religious?"

Walking out of the film my answer was sort-of. Watching it, I was very luke warm on it.

Like I said, I'm having a very hard time really quantifying my feelings for it. It's not bad, it's just not very good. But that could be because I don't take into account the religious aspect. Or perhaps it wasn't what I was expecting based on what I did know of Noah.

I thought it would be an epic disaster film focusing on the flood and the consequences of it, and it really wasn't. Far from it.

I don't even know if that answers your question.
 
Well nothing really, Evans is contracted and thus obligated to finish his deal with Marvel that lasts through 2017.

After that then perhaps a recast (groan)

They just need to retire the character for a while. Marvel already has a replacement waiting anyways, incorporate the death of captain america storyline into Evans' last movie and have you know who take over the mantle.
 
Had a terrible feeling about aronofsky doing Noah. Just makes no sense unless he's trying. Get that Christian money. But I'm sure I'll see it one day. I just have no interest and he's one of the few directors I would actually go see opening night.

Speaking of which I been busy with GF and working but I'm taking a lazy rainy Sunday to read through the thread. I wonder if kev has brought up the grand Budapest hotel. Wes is also a director I pay to see happily. It has amazing reviews so that's a good sign. Only one of his movies I didn't like was Darjeeling.

Watching leaving las Vegas for the first time in full. Strange movie. Definitly one of a kind. I enjoyed it. Pretty depressing though I always thought it was a comedy. Is Nic cage a good actor? Such a hard questions answer.
 
I'm writing a pretty long, detailed review on Noah. It's taking me a lot of time but I think I'll be able to make a clear point regarding the overall picture of the film and my feelings for it.

(for those that care and read some of my work)
 
Grand Budapest Hotel was fantastic. Wes really is great at weaving complex stories and characters into something manageable and fun. There are some great, memorable characters and moments. Lots of laugh out loud moments, including some shocking ones. Fiennes was great as the flawed overseer/father figure. Really one of my favorite roles of his, up there with his small part from In Bruges. If you can, go see this. Everything worked together in the film so well, and the cast has such good chemistry it made the whole thing a fun, mysterious ride through a lobby boy's memoirs.

It is still a Wes Anderson film, so if you're not a fan this won't change your mind. But of you are you'll most likely love it.
 
[quote name="venom lyrix"]So I saw NOAH last night and I still can't really decide my feelings on it.

There are creatures called "The Watchers" (no idea of that is true biblically) and they are these big rock formed "monsters" that watchover / help Noah build the arc and stuff. That part left me scratching my head because it was just too silly.[/quote]That? That would be because there has been a lot of people who have questioned how Noah and his family could build that entire ark on their own. So the response by many biblical apologists (look it up) has been that the Bible never says they built the ark by their self, and that the reason the Bible doesn't say that is because they weren't by their self, and that there were cavemen (for lack of a better word) helping them. [quote name="venom lyrix"]The story at times is simply just too unfathomable[/quote]That? Well that's because it's a bible story. :wink:

[quote name="venom lyrix"]my biggest hurdle with the film, even before I sat down in the theater was a simple question for Aronofsky: "Can you make me care about the subject matter enough to invest in since I am not even a little bit religious?"[/quote]I look at it like any other whimsical story, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. :smile:

Actually, I'm not even sure I'm gonna watch it (or the Exodus movie I've heard about, or Son of God, or Heaven is for Real, or God's Not Dead), but if I do, I'll be watching no differently than I watch X-Men or Harry Potter or any other fun, fictional story. :smile: [quote name="DubA169"]Had a terrible feeling about aronofsky doing Noah. Just makes no sense unless he's trying. Get that Christian money. [/quote]Man, if you can tap into Christian money, you are SET. So many pastors have figured this out.
 
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It's funny, on another film specific message board there is a poster who said:

From all of the bizarre fantasy creatures that come to the ark, to the stone giants. This feels like The Hobbit meets Avatar. I had a feeling Aronofsky was going to do something like this, I'm just shocked that the studio allowed it. It's likely to piss a lot of people off.

and my response was simple: no matter what kind of film he made, it was going to seriously piss off a lot of people simply because the source material is religious
 
I agree with master zik,

The movies this dude has done and he's talking like that.. If tom hardy said it I would give it some credence




But this feels more like some sort of buyers remorse type of deal, where he knows he's done some craptastic movies and now wants to distance himself so maybe he can be taken a little more seriously.. Since his star will be huge as CP said
 
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Looking at Evans body of work & how he's talking :smh: ...

Talk about self absorbed.

Even with a director like Aronofsky & an actor like Crowe, that movie had disaster written all over it. I was never remotely interested in seeing the movie when it was announced.
 
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