Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[duba169]

Watchmen had the perfect look but in no way shape or form conveyed the absolute terror and paranoia of the cold war. The soundtrack was too on the nose and comical at times and the bad guy was horribly miscast and not the genius portrayed in the book.

The look? Perfect. But that's usually Snyder. All looks and none of the substance. However this wasn't supposed to be a movie. If anything a mini series is the only other medium that could do it justice. So I can't trash it that much. It just missed the mark on some key things

But seeing rorschach and dr manhattan on screen pretty much perfected... Gotta give him credit

The ending of the book will never be put on screen. Just not gonna happen

Then there is the subtle stuff like Silk Specture not giving up smoking and picking the habbit back up

 

[am1x90xnike]

Working on a personal list for when I see movies. Purposely not finished. Need some suggestions, trying to stay pretty consistent on how I view films. Of course, some movies will fail everything but ill still live.
What makes a good movie?

Story
Did they create a world?
Was the story believable in this world?
Was the story cohesive? (No huge plot holes)
Was there a beginning middle and end?
Was their an A,B and C storyline?
Did they create some stakes?
Did each scene have a point in the story?

Characters
We're they believable in the created world?
Did I like who I was suppose to like and hate who I was suppose to hate?
Did each character serve some sort if purpose?
Did each have their 'moment'?

Writing
Did he create a good story?
Was the dialogue believable?
Were the scenes laid out ?
Was the 'punchline' set up properly?
Was their enough information in each scene?


Just a few questions I ask myself after I watch a movie.

 

[suberzat1]

I thought TDKR was a great way to end a trilogy. No complaints from me. But I also wasnt going in with any huge expectations.  

 

[sb]

man of steel was good. felt like it should of been great.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Bane's voice was the best part for me. Loved listening to him. That opening scene is brilliant. The sound and music is great throughout. It's one of the few movies I really wanna watch as loud as possible. I liked the way it ended, teasing Batman's sacrifice and death. Wasn't crazy about how the villains were taken out however. Felt like they jumped the shark a little with the female.

TDKR isn't TDK but I still like it for the way it closed the trilogy. A lot of my love for TDK stems from Ledger's performance though. I liked BB but wasn't insane for it. Feel like Ledger elevated that movie and franchise with his performance.

 

[CP1708]

SNL white guy college basketball skit had me howling.

I hear you Zik on putting MOS above the previous Supes, but that's a given. But I'm not seeing how the storytelling in MOS was lesser than Barman Begins, or Iron Man, or Thor, Cap etc. What did MOS not provide?

They showed the destruction of Krypton. They showed a deep, and full rendering of a young boy learning from his father how to be human, and not alien. An alien that could squash the entire planet if he went another way.

They had a villain, with absolute purpose. Who in some reality, wasn't even a villain, he was trying to rebuild his people. It had a balance between wanting to rebuild a people, but by tearing down another planet to do so.

It put the weight of that on this alien living among us, who showed him plenty of bad, and forced him to choose between building his own kind up, or saving the world he currently lived on.

All that, and the very people he's trying to save stick guns in his direction and fire.


Tell me, Batman did what? Save a single city. Ironman got out of a cave after feeling bad for selling weapons. Thor had daddy issues. Cap took steroids to give him muscle to go with his heart.

They all work, but don't spin me that all that somehow dwarfs what MOS brought to the table. No damn way those movies are superior to MOS. Not saying the movie is perfect, but it absolutely belongs in that group of Marvel films and Batman Begins.

I have this feeling that Snyder, Goyer, and the rest never had a chance with some people. Not sure why, but seems to be a lot of resistance where I don't see a need. The movie FAR surpassed the previous films, it holds just as well as the Marvel origins, and can compare to the first Bale Bat. It delivered great dialogue, solid casting and quality performances. The action was clearly up to par. The beauty, and shots/imagery was there. The villain was every bit the others. Joker and Loki and Bane can make their case, but Zod was better than Scarecrow, or Iron Man's boss, or Red Skull. And Costner can match what Liam gave Bruce Wayne in terms of guidance.

I don't see the beef. To be called fake, and lacking story sounds like predetermined judgements before even being seen.

 

[big j 33]

Basically... you see all that stuff... a boy learning to become a man, the villain with a purpose, a hero fighting his place and purpose in the world, and you believe it. Others see all that stuff and it doesn't ring true or authentic as a viewer. It's like it's paint by numbers.. "Here's where we have a meaningful conversation between father and son"... "Here's where we have a great shot showing how alone Clark is".. etc.

They could hit those points and because it's Superman and because it looked so great, it's going to feel even better. It's "better" than Thor or Captain America because he's freaking Superman and the drama is already built-in.

Like I said, I enjoyed the movie.. but it's the kind of movie I'd probably enjoy less the more I thought about it. But you saw everything the movie did or tried to do.. and you accepted it and believed it as true. Others saw it and felt it hollow, inauthentic, or trying too hard.

 

[darthska]

Me & my girl saw Divergent last night, as mentioned. Then snuck into Captain 2.

Divergent was... perfect. PERFECTION. Can not... WAIT... for Insurgent. (that's coming, right?)

Btw, book was better. Movie was just a cheap facsimile of the book.*

Captain 2 was a nice contrast from Divergent. It felt every but like a comic book, on film. So, mission: accomplished. LOVED Falcon's character. Loved Scarlett. Loved Samuel L.

Chronologically, that's AFTER The Avengers, right?

*

Spoiler

I've definitely never read the book. I'm just being a jerk.

 

[lawdog1]

Just finished terminator 1 with my girl.

Couldn't stop laughing Idk why
That fake *** Halloween looking mask Arnold had on with one eye cut out had us in TEARS.

I know it was made in 84 but man, the difference in today's cgi and that cgi... Mind blowing.

Overall, decent flick. I think if i wasn't excited about getting to T2 I'd say it was "meh", but since I know a great sequel is next I was able to enjoy it knowing it was just the appetizer leading up to the main course.

Finally saw exactly where his infamous "I'll be back" came from... Talk about a late pass

I had a feeling that Reese was gonna smash and be the father to the future "john connor", called that early.

Anywhoo,
Excited for T2.
Excited to see what happens.
May not get to it tonight but definitely will get it seen by tomorrow.

I feel ridiculous for even posting about T1, I know you guys probably all saw it 15 years ago

Isn't there a T3 too? That's probably trash huh? And I never saw the one with Christian bale either, I saw horrible reviews

There is a T3. I've seen it. I don't remember thinking it was bad, but I hardly remember anything about it at all. So, that tells you something

 

[CP1708]

Me & my girl saw Divergent last night, as mentioned. Then snuck into Captain 2.

Divergent was... perfect. PERFECTION. Can not... WAIT... for Insurgent. (that's coming, right?)

Btw, book was better. Movie was just a cheap facsimile of the book.*

Captain 2 was a nice contrast from Divergent. It felt every but like a comic book, on film. So, mission: accomplished. LOVED Falcon's character. Loved Scarlett. Loved Samuel L.

Chronologically, that's AFTER The Avengers, right?

Yes, its after Avengers. They reference that by mentioning "New York". That was where Loki's army invaded and how they acknowledge the time frame.

Natalie Portman did same in Thor 2 when she slapped Loki and said "that's for New York!".

 

[dland24]

Saw The Grand budapest Hotel yesterday. Excellent film.

 

[big j 33]

Great TV returning tonight with Game of Thrones and Veep.

And I'm excited about Silicon Valley.. Alan Sepinwall and the AV Club had a positive review of the first few episodes, so that's great to hear.

 

[mronegative]

Saw The Grand budapest Hotel yesterday. Excellent film.

This. The cat.

Bane's voice was the best part for me. Loved listening to him.

Someone nailed it for me. They said he sounds like Seth MacFarlane doing Sean Connery doing a German accent.
Iono, like for any other movie...that's a memorable, quirky voice, that you wanna do all the time. Like he says a lot of quotables, but for the sequel to TDK...that's too cartoony for me, with all the serious ish going on. It's a lot less annoying now than when I first watched it, though.

The sound and music is great throughout. It's one of the few movies I really wanna watch as loud as possible.

Oh yeah, the score is soul-shaking. I can't even really be mad at the movie, cuz it's so much of the movie I hoped it'd be. It's just felt like they needed 4 hrs to sell all the stuff they tried to. And for no good reason, some of the movie felt half-cooked like someone else directed it or they ran outta time. Like the Marion car crash. Anything to do with Dagget. Matthew Modine. The Dent letter. The cops in the sewers. Just about all of the prison. It just felt real cheesy sometimes, after TDK made the world feel real.

 

[licensed to ball]

Watching Man of Steel right now on HBO GO.

First time.

Time to see once and for all if the movie is as bad... or as good as some people say.

Its obvious CP loves it, MrO not so much.
Im going to watch with no expectations and disregard every review ive ever seen.

Ill share my thoughts later.

 

[awwsome]

I'll be checking out Silicon Valley, been waiting for a show like that to come around.

I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't watch Game Of Thrones, my pops been tryna get me into it but I've watched about 4 episodes and just didn't fall in love or felt the need to see it like with other shows.

 

[mronegative]

They showed the destruction of Krypton. They showed a deep, and full rendering of a young boy learning from his father how to be human, and not alien. An alien that could squash the entire planet if he went another way.

They had a villain, with absolute purpose. Who in some reality, wasn't even a villain, he was trying to rebuild his people. It had a balance between wanting to rebuild a people, but by tearing down another planet to do so.

It put the weight of that on this alien living among us, who showed him plenty of bad, and forced him to choose between building his own kind up, or saving the world he currently lived on.

All that, and the very people he's trying to save stick guns in his direction and fire.

That's like saying check my stats. MoS is the Vince Carter of superhero movies.

Tell me, Batman did what? Save a single city. Ironman got out of a cave after feeling bad for selling weapons. Thor had daddy issues.

Wut? It shows restraint, and even says something about how well those stories and characters were expressed, that those lowerkey stakes meant more. I remember reading this Damon Lindelof interview, where he explained the pressures of writing a blockbuster film and that...once someone gives you $100M+ to make a movie...you almost HAVE to save the world. I mean, all Kick-*** did was take down his ex-friend's mob dad at his house and that was a great movie.

They all work, but don't spin me that all that somehow dwarfs what MOS brought to the table. No damn way those movies are superior to MOS. Not saying the movie is perfect, but it absolutely belongs in that group of Marvel films and Batman Begins.

I have this feeling that Snyder, Goyer, and the rest never had a chance with some people. Not sure why, but seems to be a lot of resistance where I don't see a need. The movie FAR surpassed the previous films, it holds just as well as the Marvel origins, and can compare to the first Bale Bat. It delivered great dialogue, solid casting and quality performances. The action was clearly up to par. The beauty, and shots/imagery was there. The villain was every bit the others. Joker and Loki and Bane can make their case, but Zod was better than Scarecrow, or Iron Man's boss, or Red Skull. And Costner can match what Liam gave Bruce Wayne in terms of guidance.

I don't see the beef. To be called fake, and lacking story sounds like predetermined judgements before even being seen.

Yeah, all the ideas were there, and the cast came together, and the effects were all good, but Zack Snyder is the Mike D'antoni of filmmaking. It's just always gonna be style over substance for him. And it's almost the worst thing you could do to ask him to put substance in, because he'll make you regret it.

It's like when someone dumb uses a big word they don't really know. If you don't care or you're not paying attention or you're just proud of them for trying, good on em. If you do care, you're just going the whole time. It feels like Snyder made a cheatsheet of little clips from Terence Malick and Friday Night Lights and Batman Begins and TDK and IM.

It's not a film, it's a scrapbook. It doesn't really tell an honest story or earn its moment. It just hides behind the FNL cinematography, and follows the instructions on every scene. That's why the whole movie feels like a trailer. Cuz it's all surface. There's nothing sincere behind it, cuz he's not building characters and story for real moments. He's just tracing. And he's an incredibly good tracer. But that movie's hollow.

Hey...JJ Abrams is the same way, but I'll give him this much. He cares about character a helluva lot more than Snyder does. And it's not Snyder hate...I was one of the people saying yall should give Sucker Punch extended a shot. But every time you think MoS is on to something, it reminds you almost immediately that it just doesn't care about any of its characters too much. It's a "who can we waste the most" competition.

The movie is just the trailer stretched thin, and then the battle of Metropolis.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="MrONegative"][quote name="dland24"]Saw The Grand budapest Hotel yesterday. Excellent film.[/quote]This. The cat.

[quote name="JohnnyRedStorm"]Bane's voice was the best part for me. Loved listening to him.[/quote]Someone nailed it for me. They said he sounds like Seth MacFarlane doing Sean Connery doing a German accent.
Iono, like for any other movie...that's a memorable, quirky voice, that you wanna do all the time. Like he says a lot of quotables, but for the sequel to TDK...that's too cartoony for me, with all the serious ish going on. It's a lot less annoying now than when I first watched it, though.

The sound and music is great throughout. It's one of the few movies I really wanna watch as loud as possible.

Oh yeah, the score is soul-shaking. I can't even really be mad at the movie, cuz it's so much of the movie I hoped it'd be. It's just felt like they needed 4 hrs to sell all the stuff they tried to. And for no good reason, some of the movie felt half-cooked like someone else directed it or they ran outta time. Like the Marion car crash. Anything to do with Dagget. Matthew Modine. The Dent letter. The cops in the sewers. Just about all of the prison. It just felt real cheesy sometimes, after TDK made the world feel real.[/quote]'Nailing it' for me was someone likening his voice to Optimus Prime & Sean Connery.

 

[Hahahaha]

I'm checking out Silicon Valley. I find TJ Miller and Starr to be harious

I've always wanted to check out Veep but was too late. What's everyone thoughts?

 

[mronegative]

Veep is good, the 2nd season it just got better. Kinda like Parks & Rec, but with Scorsese level swearing.

And uh...





Now, I'm sold. My man, Watson.

 

[big j 33]

I'm checking out Silicon Valley. I find TJ Miller and Starr to be harious

I've always wanted to check out Veep but was too late. What's everyone thoughts?

That's how I feel too.. Miller and Starr are awesome, and Mike Judge is always reliable.

Veep is solid. Definitely worth a weekend binge to watch all the episodes. Rapid-fire jokes, great comedic actors, interesting premise, I'm a fan.

 

[suberzat1]

Checking out Man of Steel myself since it is on HBOGO

 

[T0INE]

Veep and Game of Thrones back tonight.

Will check out Silicon Valley too.

 

[licensed to ball]

Just finished Man of Steel.

I can honestly say that i watched it with no pre-conceived judgment.
I know there were mixed reviews, but i didnt read too much into them. I wanted to avoid thoughts and spoilers as long as i could, and i did a good job of that.
After finishing it 20 minutes ago, i browsed the last few pages and read everyones thoughts on it in detail.

Its weird, i feel ilke both MrO and CP make such amazing points that im torn.
A part of me enjoyed it, and although i watched with no expectation i still thought to myself ill probably be disappointed... because i usually am in these type of movies.

But i wasnt. I wasnt disappointed, i thought it was a HIGHLY entertaining movie.
I liked Costner, i liked Crowe, i thought Cavill was a GREAT man of steel.
I mean... you could say he was dull at TIMES... but most of the time he had the aura of Superman down to a tee in my book.
The confidence, the passion, the anger, the little moments of happiness... it seemed genuine to me.
I just saw some people say that he looked the part but didnt act it very well... what?! thats so weird to me. I thought he acted the role of Superman as well as you could in this day and age.

I mean... i know its not fair to really compare, but realistically i have to. Look at how horrible Brandon Routh was... dude looked like a college student in a cape, with no confidence or swag, no build, no passion...

Cavill just murdered Routh.
Maybe im being captain obvious but i mean... how could you be dissatisfied with Cavill?
I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville and i didnt think anyone would replicate Tom Welling as Clark Kent as well as he did.
But Cavill was up there. He did fine.

So yeah, i enjoyed the movie.

However, with that said... to say it was perfect would be asinine.
I agree that at times the cgi and 'art' took way too much precedence over the story line.
At times, although the shots were beautiful, it did seem like Snyder was showing off just to show off the camera work.
A little more character development would of definitely helped.
I grew to like the characters towards the end of the movie, but it took a little too long for me to actually see Diane Lane as his mother, to actually see Amy Adams as Louis...

At the end of the day, it finally felt geniune. But... it did take a little too long.
Even 10 minutes of back story on Louis, the parents, Llana, or anything about Clarks background would of helped at least a LITTLE for a movie that calls itself an "origin."
I felt like they skipped ahead a little too fast to Clark being an adult, but at the same time i understand you cant spend 1 hour on Clark the kid on this type of big budget flick.

Overall... i feel like MrO is right when he said the movie at times seemed like a precursor for something that was about to happen, but never did.
Yet, at the same time i feel like CP is right when he says what more could we ask for from an origins story? Although things took a little too long to develop to me, they eventually did. And as long as the story develops, characters evolve, story line begins, and action takes place... you can say you had an overall pretty damn successful movie.

I still have a lot that is early for me to process and speak on, but those are my initial thoughts.

Superman Returns was a D movie to me, at best.

If i had to give Man of Steel a grade right now, just based off initial viewing, id have to give it at LEAST a B+.
And to be honest, with how cheesy, unoriginal and horrible big box office flicks have been to me in recent years, a B+ is pretty damn GOOD.

That grade could change with more discussion, more thought, and another viewing sometime in the future.
Its just a quick grade from my gut.

So yeah, it COULD of definitely been an A movie, a really GREAT entrance into a Superman franchise finally...but it wasnt, a few things were just a little off.
However, It was a VERY GOOD entrance, better than solid. So at the end of the day, im satisfied.

Even though MrO makes good points about it feeling hollow AT TIMES, as weird as this may feel...i have to side with CP on this for the most part.
And its weird because ive definitely noticed that more people tend to feel like MrO... but im just being objective and honest.

It was a very good movie, with a few flaws that definitely could of been avoided.
But nonetheless, i can now say i am officially excited for the sequel.

 

[duba169]

Saw The Grand budapest Hotel yesterday. Excellent film.

Watched the first half of the knicks game and knew the second half would suck so I went to see it. I liked it a lot.

My fiend pointed out that every shot is like super symmetrical after 10 min and it remains true the rest the movie. Plus the aspect ratio was like TV style.

I liked how everything went. Even when nuthin big was happening its glorious to look at

Don't get me wrong though it wasn't royal Tannenbaums or Rushmore status. But i enjoyed it a lot. People I was with liked it but said it had no heart

 

[suberzat1]

I also enjoyed the Man of Steel some flaws and questions but still a good movie. Lois was a lil annoying and thought Kal should have got that *** whooped in the  Faora and that big dude fight seen.