Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[IATT]

^ Jesus.. After superman returns and this crap I have no clue what Hollywood is thinking


And those x-men movies have always been lackluster to me

 

[am1x90xnike]

Wow this skit on SNL's fake news is pretty offensive and they got a black chick doing it. Talking about how during slavery she'd never be single, selective breeding, and popping out Shaq, LeBron, and Kimbo Slice babies

Nah, Loki's villain development was good in Thor 1 alone.

Then there's Joker in TDK, Doc Ock in SM2, Kingpin in Daredevil (and that was a terrible movie), etc. Hell if we want to stretch it, Mr. Glass in Unbreakble, Dane Dehaan in Chronicle (**** he was a better villain in that than he was in ASM2

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Jamie did what he could with it. Great as Max but once he got his powers meh. Electro is a notch below Emil Blonsky's Abomination in Incredible Hulk.




On an unrelated note, Andrew Garfield has range. I'm probably forgetting one or two movies but I mainly remember him from the Spidey movies and The Social Network. I saw the potential on talk shows like Fallon but he can do straight up comedy. Think he'd also be great playing a sarcastic a-hole.

Like real talk, I'll give you Dock Ock...maybe Kingpin and of course Mr. Glass (thats a different type of movie thought)

As a teaching point, I'm not understanding how Joker had any "character development" if someone could explain this meaning, because if he did I really missed the concept of character development. I always thought it was the things that reveal the characters motive, with little tidbits about thier personality...essentially the things that drive the character told throughout the story, explaining why he did what he did at the climax or end, showing some sort of change in the character...

but if Joker had character development, I'm thinking I missed the concept.

 

[Master Zik]

Wow this skit on SNL's fake news is pretty offensive and they got a black chick doing it. Talking about how during slavery she'd never be single, selective breeding, and popping out Shaq, LeBron, and Kimbo Slice babies :x


Nah, Loki's villain development was good in Thor 1 alone.


Then there's Joker in TDK, Doc Ock in SM2, Kingpin in Daredevil (and that was a terrible movie), etc. Hell if we want to stretch it, Mr. Glass in Unbreakble, Dane Dehaan in Chronicle (**** he was a better villain in that than he was in ASM2 ),


Jamie did what he could with it. Great as Max but once he got his powers meh. Electro is a notch below Emil Blonsky's Abomination in Incredible Hulk.





On an unrelated note, Andrew Garfield has range. I'm probably forgetting one or two movies but I mainly remember him from the Spidey movies and The Social Network. I saw the potential on talk shows like Fallon but he can do straight up comedy. Think he'd also be great playing a sarcastic a-hole.

Like real talk, I'll give you Dock Ock...maybe Kingpin and of course Mr. Glass (thats a different type of movie thought)

As a teaching point, I'm not understanding how Joker had any "character development" if someone could explain this meaning, because if he did I really missed the concept of character development. I always thought it was the things that reveal the characters motive, with little tidbits about thier personality...essentially the things that drive the character told throughout the story, explaining why he did what he did at the climax or end, showing some sort of change in the character...

but if Joker had character development, I'm thinking I missed the concept.

The concept of Joker was pretty straight forward if you just step back and see the forest for the trees. Chaos, madness for the sake of madness all in relation to his polar opposite, Batman, who is a symbol and represents everything the joker is not while the two are both outside the law. All of Joker's actions exemplified his character and as it went on that was just developed; he constant new origins of his scars, burning the mob's money, the death trap and old switcheroo with Dent and Maggie, a little of the killing joke's all it takes is one bad day done to Harvey Dent, then the very end when he knew Bats wouldn't kill him. All these things explained Joker's motive. You just gotta see how he plays off everything that Batman is. Bats had a reason to put on the costume and set a mission for himself, Joker has none. Bats came out, so he follows.

However, there is no change in the character. Joker runs as a constant the same way Batman did.

 

[mastamind033]

^ Jesus.. After superman returns and this crap I have no clue what Hollywood is thinking


And those x-men movies have always been lackluster to me

All those X-Men films made money though and were mostly well received at the time.

I mean M. Night Shyamalan is still making films and he hasn't made a decent film since 2000.

 

[duba169]

My dudes still got shot up into space despite the pleas

Hhahhahahah awesome.

I just watched the movie. Not sure what the fuss was about that was the best scene in the entire movie. Not mad I watched it but was expecting much better. Simply didn't move me for the most part.

 

[sb]

anyone watching the simpsons lego episode tonight

 

[big j 33]

I forgot about it but I was interested in seeing it.

Anyway... I FINALLY saw Her It was incredible, just like I expected. Joaquin was oustanding, the cinematography, soundtrack, tone, everything was just so well-made and beautiful. I said it to myself 10 minutes into the movie.. "Spike Jonze knows how to make a movie". The screenplay was great as well... and his ability to tell this kind of story in such a unique way was impressive. I almost had to pause the movie on several occasions just to contemplate the issues they were bringing up about relationships, love, life.. it almost took me out of the movie

Can't say enough positive things about it. Everyone was great in their roles too.. I loved the flashbacks to the marriage that didn't need words or dialogue.. just Mara and Phoenix and you could pick up on everything with fleeting images and snapshots. Amy Adams was good, as usual.. Chris Pratt was hilarious and credit to Johansson who managed to have a great screen presence with just her voice.

So yeah.. I loved it.

 

[am1x90xnike]

The concept of Joker was pretty straight forward if you just step back and see the forest for the trees. Chaos, madness for the sake of madness all in relation to his polar opposite, Batman, who is a symbol and represents everything the joker is not while the two are both outside the law. All of Joker's actions exemplified his character and as it went on that was just developed; he constant new origins of his scars, burning the mob's money, the death trap and old switcheroo with Dent and Maggie, a little of the killing joke's all it takes is one bad day done to Harvey Dent, then the very end when he knew Bats wouldn't kill him. All these things explained Joker's motive. You just gotta see how he plays off everything that Batman is. Bats had a reason to put on the costume and set a mission for himself, Joker has none. Bats came out, so he follows. Don't take that as a negative, I just think 'character development' is a buzz word that has little to no value in determining a good character as some characters develop great yet are still unlike able(Rogue in older X men), and other characters (Joker) have little to no development yet are fan favorites.

However, there is no change in the character. Joker runs as a constant the same way Batman did.

So were in agreement, there was no change in joker thus no development. The best you can say is he was a plot device to show the ups and downs and development of the other characters, from how ge pushed Harvey to change to evil, to how he he forced Batman to keep the mask on.

Not to say joker was a bad character but rather Character development isn't that great of a measure to a characters value, it's a buzz word; because good character development = good character ie Rogue v Joker, one had great development the other was simply a great character, the later is a fan favorite.

So, can someone explain character development, seriously question.

 

[Master Zik]

The concept of Joker was pretty straight forward if you just step back and see the forest for the trees. Chaos, madness for the sake of madness all in relation to his polar opposite, Batman, who is a symbol and represents everything the joker is not while the two are both outside the law. All of Joker's actions exemplified his character and as it went on that was just developed; he constant new origins of his scars, burning the mob's money, the death trap and old switcheroo with Dent and Maggie, a little of the killing joke's all it takes is one bad day done to Harvey Dent, then the very end when he knew Bats wouldn't kill him. All these things explained Joker's motive. You just gotta see how he plays off everything that Batman is. Bats had a reason to put on the costume and set a mission for himself, Joker has none. Bats came out, so he follows. Don't take that as a negative, I just think 'character development' is a buzz word that has little to no value in determining a good character as some characters develop great yet are still unlike able(Rogue in older X men), and other characters (Joker) have little to no development yet are fan favorites.

However, there is no change in the character. Joker runs as a constant the same way Batman did.

So were in agreement, there was no change in joker thus no development. The best you can say is he was a plot device to show the ups and downs and development of the other characters, from how ge pushed Harvey to change to evil, to how he he forced Batman to keep the mask on.

So, can someone explain character development, seriously question.

No we're not in agreement.

Maybe read what I posted again or you could just keep believing what you believe.

 

[am1x90xnike]

Your last sentence said 'there is no change in joker...' which I said when I explained how I understand character development, or did I miss read/quote that?

 

[Master Zik]

Your last sentence said 'there is no change in joker...' which I said when I explained how I understand character development, or did I miss read/quote that?

I never agreed that character development means the character has to change. That's way too limited in scope.

You can read some of the links here too. They don't all don't say the character has to change to develop them. Introducing an important past event that explains motivations, a learned philosophy, establishing principles of said character all deals with the development of the character.

https://www.google.com/#q=character+development

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Joker was the antithesis of Batman. His yang. He was there to show polarity and to draw humanity to desperation. He was the test for what the people of Gotham valued. His games with the boat and Reece are examples of the negativity he wanted to pull out of humanity but they didn't budge--they transcended his deviousness. He's a plot device for sure.

Character development goes both ways. Either you evolve or degenerate. Dent degenerated. The people of Gotham--particularly on the boats--evolved. Joker's development is reflected in his madness and desperation. I'd say he grew colder and darker through the film. Tricking Batman into saving Dent. The whole cell phone and prison scene with him and the cops. The ending where the hostages looked like villains. Joker is a black hole. There's no light for him. He is darkness.

 

[big j 33]

Don't confuse a character arc with character development.

Character development is more about having a dramatic need, a point of view, being multi-dimensional (backstory/history, flaws, etc.), an attitude or belief system, a philosophy, unique characteristics, etc.

Character arcs, on the other hand, will deal with how the character changes due to the events of the story. How they grow, change, alter.. or in some cases.. how they don't. Traditionally, your bad guys or villains won't arc.

 

[Master Zik]

Joker was the antithesis of Batman. His yang. He was there to show polarity and to draw humanity to desperation. He was the test for what the people of Gotham valued. His games with the boat and Reece are examples of the negativity he wanted to pull out of humanity but they didn't budge--they transcended his deviousness. He's a plot device for sure.

Character development goes both ways. Either you evolve or degenerate. Dent degenerated. The people of Gotham--particularly on the boats--evolved. Joker's development is reflected in his madness and desperation. I'd say he grew colder and darker through the film. Tricking Batman into saving Dent. The whole cell phone and prison scene with him and the cops. The ending where the hostages looked like villains. Joker is a black hole. There's no light for him. He is darkness.

Don't confuse a character arc with character development.

Character development is more about having a dramatic need, a point of view, being multi-dimensional (backstory/history, flaws, etc.), an attitude or belief system, a philosophy, unique characteristics, etc.

Character arcs, on the other hand, will deal with how the character changes due to the events of the story. How they grow, change, alter.. or in some cases.. how they don't. Traditionally, your bad guys or villains won't arc.

Thank you. I wasn't really thinking of making that distinction. None of this stuff is consistently fresh in my mind after reading/learning it. So it's like I notice it and talk about it when it happens on a show/movie but I can't really backtrack and shell out definitions all the time.

 

[am1x90xnike]

Hmmm...

 

[equality]

Just watched Pompeii (I don't know why).

Wasted 2 hours of my life

 

[hebgbz]

Not sure if this is how the thread works, but what are some of yall fav horror movies?

 

[GTA 809]

Horror movies are trash now. I hate gore. I stick to the old stuff

 

[CP1708]

The Conjuring was greatness.

The Ethan Hawke one, Sinister (I think) was pretty good.

The sequel with Rose Byrne and Patrick Wilson that came out last year was pretty decent. (Forget the name of it)

 

[hebgbz]

^thanks bruh, seen the first two you mentioned but will check out the sequel. And also to blackngold you right these days Im always watching 80s,90s horror films. I like the real sfx more than these days cgi ones

 

[CP1708]

Insidious 2, that's the name.

 

[calikev34]

Just watched Pompeii (I don't know why).

Wasted 2 hours of my life

Lmaooo perfectly stated my brotha
I got tricked well (no idea why)-- **** was awful

 

[noskey]

A couple thoughts on ASM2...

Amazing Spider Man 2 was... decent. I loved some stuff about it, disliked about as much. Jamie Foxx's character was done well IMO, no complaints on him. But Harry Osborn was just... not good. I mean, the actor was solid but most things about his character sucked. I can see where CP is coming from; I enjoyed how they put a darker spin on his character i.e. troubled relationship w/ his father, living paranoid about everyone using him, etc. Solid character, but his transformation sucked.

The action was very... underwhelming for me. The final Jamie Foxx/Spiderman fight was decent, but there were too many slow-mo shots that cut into the flow of it all.

The only other big complaint I have is the corny, hokey, forced one-liners the writers just HAD to have Spidey slinging out throughout the film. The first 10 minutes were unbearable. Any time he was swinging around with the cops I wanted to take a nap.

As far as that one scene, the one that caught everyone off guard... yeah that was rough. I should have known better, seen the signs... in these days of superhero movies, no hero has a happy 2nd movie. I am interested to see where the 3rd film goes regarding the events of this one. This was too big of a moment for it to have been brushed aside within 10 minutes of post-death montage.

 

[rook]

^ I didnt like harry as well. I felt a Franco like guy was perfect. And I like Dehaan's(sp?) work.

Action i agree on again. Just wasnt enough.
Spidey SHOULD be the best on screen superhero because of his acrobatics and fighting style. I love his action scenes more than any marvel character. But they chose not to show it off as much as i liked.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Gang Related is a new series debuting on Fox May 22nd. The writer behind Fast & Furious 3 thru 7 Chris Morgan creted the show & it's exec producer/show runner is Scott Rosenbaum of The Shield fame. Brian Glazer is a exec producer too.

Great cast featuring Terry O’Quinn, RZA, Cliff Curtis (ever get your ish pulled back?), Rey Gallegos, Jay Hernandez, Sung Kang, Inbar Levi, & Shantel VanSanten...

Will be checking this out....