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Godzilla.

I have been anticipating this film since it was teased in 2009. I never thought it would happen. Godzilla was always a favorite of mine. The original is one of my favorite films of all time. It's a tragedy in so many aspects. When 1998 Zilla came around, I was only nine at the time, so it didn't bother me too much. I enjoyed it as a kid, but as I grew older, I realized how much we were all cheated. I'm not going to go into it anymore than that, because it is a horse that has been beaten to death.

So Godzilla 2014?

It does a whole hell of a lot right. It stays traditional to what has made Godzilla iconic to so many people across the world. To most, Godzilla is just a big giant lizard fighting other giant monsters. But to me, it's that tragedy that involves the origin of Godzilla, and how he is just as tragic as any Shakespearean classic.

I want to get into a lot of the details, but I don't want to spoil a thing. I'll say a few words after the spoiler.

This film satisfied just about everything that I love about the legend of Godzilla. But, this is a very American film, with characters at the forefront. Luckily, the script isn't horrible, the actors do a good job with their material, and Gareth Edwards was an absolute perfect choice. Edwards understands two things that are extremely important to me, and that is that he knew how to handle Godzilla respectfully, and he also knew that in order for this film to be successful, he had to treat it seriously. He couldn't do what so many of the sequels did and just throw out Mothra, King Ghidorah, and MechaGodzilla and expect it to work. He also couldn't have a herky-jerky Cloverfield where you barely ever show the monster, and when you do, it's fuzzy, blurry, and unclear as to what exactly you are seeing.

Probably one of my favorite things about this entire damn movie is that ALL of the action throughout is very clear. You don't have moving camera shots. You get clear shots of Godzilla. But what Gareth did so well is that you don't get to see him right away. That's something that so many films fail to do these days. You can't build anticipation for such a pivotal piece of your film and constantly show him throughout the damn movie.

The opening credits were ingenious. Show the roots of Godzilla. But not just that. HAVE an opening credits. Let us know who is in the movie. Let us know who the hell the director is. And for God's sake, PLEASE show the title of the film. It's amazing how many films these days don't even have the title of the film anywhere in the film. But back to the main point, I love that they tease Godzilla for a while. You actually hear about the events from 1954. You see bits and pieces of him, his spine, etc. Maybe his tail, but never his face. Never a full body shot in the credits. As it should be. I believe you also see what looks to be Godzilla being blown up using a nuke. Questioning where he will be in the film, whether it will be him, his son, or whatever.

And then the film starts proper. And you're not going to hear or see Godzilla for about another hour. As it goddamn should be. Give a little appetizer, but don't give away the entire purpose of your movie in five minutes. For the first thirty-ish, the film takes place in 1999, and is carried by Bryan Cranston, CJ Adams, and Juliette Binoche. And they do an excellent damn job. If Aaron Taylor Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen had not done such a great job later in the film (which I'll get to later), I would have been so disappointed that they didn't have a bigger role in the film. When the reactor goes down, the film damn near breaks your heart. In literally ten minutes, Gareth did a fantastic enough job with the family that you genuinely care what happens to this family. Not only that, but Cranston, Binoche, and Adams do a marvelous job. I almost wish that the young child that plays Ford would've played Sam, Ford's eventual son. That child actor seemed to do such a better job. But yeah, when Cranston has to close the door on his wife? Man. The emotion came out. I don't know if another film has elicited that kind of response from me that early. And then the kid CJ Adams? He watches from his classroom as the facility where both his parents work at to crumble to the ground? ZAMB. Touche Gareth, touche.

When you see Ken Watanabe (Serizawa? The tragic character from the original Godzilla? Touche Gareth) and Sally Hawkins investigate in the Philippines, I was shocked. I was like damn, they are re-writing the origin story of Godzilla? That's cool, something fresh. I can dig it. There are multiple eggs too, thus introducing the possibility of son of Godzilla? Awesome! And an egg has hatched, with another still growing? More than one Godzilla maybe?! Crazy.

After we pick up fifteen years later, we see that Ford has tried to move on, as any kid hopefully would, but we do learn that his father survived the "Earthquake," as they deemed it. Unlike Ford, Joe (Cranston) refuses to let go of the past, because he knows that the government (both American and Japanese) were hiding something, that there was a pattern he couldn't quite fully comprehend that was causing all of this. What better way to investigate than try and go back to the site of the original explosion and try and get your floppy disks back! A little radiation never hurts anybody right? Except, there isn't any, and Joe and Ford (tagging along with his cranky old dad) go out to their old home, grab the floppies, only to realize that the old Janjira plant that was a ground zero Chernobyl site, is now active and back to normal, and it's observed that there is a giant chrysalis that's ready to hatch, and by the time it does.... GODZILLA!

No. And this is part of what I really loved about this film. I actually had it spoiled to me that there was going to be another monster in the film, and I had heard the name MUTO (Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organism), but was unaware if it was a key piece of the film, a codename for Mothra, Ghidorah, or something else. This is one thing I was kind of on the fence on going into it. I didn't want to see this turn into a romp. Almost every Godzilla film after the first has a certain amount of campiness that was allowed and tolerated. I didn't want that for this film. I wanted something akin to the original as possible. So me personally? I would have been fine if we had NO other monsters other than Godzilla. If he would've carried the film, fine by me. And how was MUTO? He was serviceable. I feel like a three-headed dragon, or a giant moth would've been really hard to pull off in an origin story about Godzilla. As I mentioned earlier, it was great to see that the monster wasn't divulged too early, and we still never see him too much, but when we do, it's a very clear shot of him, no shaky-cam, and the effects were great.

So, MUTO goes and wrecks havoc again in Japan, moves his way to Hawaii, and our hero is threatened, and who saves the day? Big Z. :pimp: . No, not Zydrunas Ilgauskas (though that would be really awesome, :lol: ). When we finally see Godzilla, Gareth gives the audience time to take in what it is seeing, which I goddamn love. If you're going to have a film about giant monsters, show them! On screen! For more than 0.5 seconds before panning away, or cutting completely. This is what Gareth gets right that so many flawed films get wrong. Show us the monsters, and show us what the hell he looks like. It's very clear what Godzilla looks like. It is memorable, because he is freaking iconic. He looks close enough to the originals that it is permanently engrained into your mind.

The film gets pretty standard at this point, you have fights, another MUTO is hatched to crank up the action another notch, and then it's all about how the resolution is going to go down. But, I want to go off on a tangent and talk a bit more about the monsters.

We don't get a ton of screen time actually seeing these monsters fighting, but what we do get is entertaining. It's very well directed, and the impact that these monsters are having on the cities, especially San Francisco, is very evident. You get to watch and enjoy all of the action on the screen, not sit there and wonder if you really saw what you thought you saw. There isn't really anything groundbreaking that you see with the fight scenes (Until the end where you see Godzilla's atomic breath rip off the head of MUTO, :wow: ), but the action that is there is all good. It's unclear at first whether Godzilla is a villain or not, but once he hits the screen, he is protecting all the people of the earth, and wants to exterminate the threat of the MUTOs. Yet, Serizawa begs that the US military not nuke Godzilla, and to let him try and save the world for them. And thus the films final act proceeds, and it's fairly standard stuff. Not reinventing the wheel or anything.

But more about the characters. My favorite parts of the film in terms of character development happened all within the first fifteen minutes. That said, Aaron Taylor Johnson (ATJ) and Elizabeth Olsen do a fantastic job as a couple trying to reunite. Other than Cranston and CJ Adams, those two have the best performance of anyone in the film. They are genuine, they give genuine performances, and you care about their outcome. I never really thought that ATJ could carry a role like this, but he does it effortlessly. This is such a far cry from what we saw in Kick-***. The tone is serious, and he's great in such a dramatic role. I still think his child counterpart outacts him, but that is a compliment of the child actor, and not a diss on Johnson. This could've easily pulled a Michael Bay and had Shia LaButthead and Megan Fox just there to be pretty and soak up the screen, but that's not what the movie is about. It's about characters. So much of the film revolves around these two characters, who are fairly vanilla in their character arcs. Their actions are predictable, but their compassion and love is extraordinary. This is one of the things that really stands out to me in relation to a ton of the other Godzilla films, and maybe all of them. These are characters that I will never forget.

The film goes on and finishes with the possibility hung open for a sequel. The king of the monsters returns to the ocean, with his fate unknown.

I don't know where the rights lie for Legendary Pictures with Toho, but if I were them, I am very pleased with the way this turned out. I honestly am kind of hesitant to bring up the question of sequels, because you have to really walk a fine line when dealing with this kind of subject. Pacific Rim didn't take itself nearly as seriously, so they can get away with sequels. If Legendary starts putting out sequels and they get a little campy? Ehh, huge turnoff for me. But if Gareth is attached?

Sign me up. He is the key reason why this film was successful. He has an understanding of the sub-genre, and what exactly fans need to see, and what the die hard fans EXPECT to see. He did an absolute perfect job in my opinion. The film may not be perfect, but he did the best he could have done. I am excited to see how well this does, because it deserves to rake in a ton of money.

I can sit here all day and talk about every little detail of this film, some of which I'm sure I missed, but it was a fantastic ride. It was an experience in the same way Gravity was last year, except this was a popcorn film. It keeps the tension high, the suspense high, and the tone straight. I said this above, but Gareth Edwards deserves some serious props. He mastered a VERY touchy subject. Godzilla could have been done extremely wrong if it had been done by someone like Michael Bay. Gareth approached the film with a ton of respect, and for that, I respect him.

Thanks Gareth.
 
So just a few words on Interstellar.

They really seem to be ambitious for this film.

Like, 2001: A Space Odyssey ambitious. Maybe I'm reaching here, but that's the expectation that was set when I saw the Interstellar trailer. I thought Gravity might've tried to challenge 2001, but they really didn't, but Interstellar might be the one.

As pivotal as Star Wars was, 2001: A Space Odyssey is still the number one space exploration film I've ever seen.

From the small sampling we got, I am really excited. I want this to be better than 2001, that's how much I'm looking forward to this. And Stanley Kubrick is probably my favorite director ever.

Matthew and Christopher Nolan may be able to get it done. I think they were up for the challenge. Few more months, and we'll see.

And actually, my most anticipated movie thus far comes out next week, DOFP. :nerd:
 
I'm sorry, does that say "I'll say a FEW words after the spoiler?

Could you google the word "few" for me right quick?

Few. Dude said few. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
So yeah...I actually wasn't too hyped for a Godzilla movie, cuz it felt like an obvious "we ran outta ideas/let's get that money" kinda thing to make. I remember the old reruns on Sci-Fi channel were fun and campy throwbacks, but I'm not a diehard or anything. And when the first trailer came, it looked a little better than I thought it would, but still pretty same ol...if anything, it was NT that really got me wanting to see the movie.

And it was almost jarring how normal the actual movie was. It had such a calm and mature tone and perspective to it. It reminded me of Contagion and The Impossible, where everything was practical and methodical and thought out. Like these were everyday normal people in these situations. And no matter what...for better or worse...the movie never jumped out of character to be corny or to turn the story over to some big loud annoying, shucking for laughs, type of characters.

It's the anti-Michael Bay movie. Hell, they even took a sly shot at Transformers in the movie. :lol:

And unless you came in looking for Avatar, the cgi was great and all of it felt real. Godzilla, himself, was just a gorgeous design that worked and was awesome in ways I did not expect. Every shot in the movie is clean and well done. The filming style never pulls you out of the moment. And the way they edited it, you always understand what's going on and where things are and it has such a clean flow to it. It's just...always from the human perspective. I mean...this is the first big cgi thing since King Kong where the big monster's the main star, but they treat him like The Third Man. It's a cool tease, the first time, when we think we're getting the big guy, and then they pull back. But by the 3rd or 4th time, people start nervous laughing, like...what is this movie?

And everybody calls back on Jaws where they originated the whole 'tease the monster' until they reveal it later on, in full effect. But people forget the part where in the meantime, we got that submarine shark story, and Brody and Richard Dreyfuss. That movie had some all-time character moments in it. Godzilla doesn't much at all.

My fear with them casting Cranston in the lead, was that I'd just see anything else he does as a weak, fugazi Walter White. But he came through for me. :smokin It actually reminded me of Up where he had to get a lot of story and emotion across in a short amount of time to get things rolling, and for what the part was...he nailed it. Juliette Binoche was good. And Ken Watanabe...everything. His voice is everything. He could dub over Fight Club, all the Jules scenes in Pulp Fiction, Heath's Joker...everything. His voice is butter, and he kills it every time he says Godzilla (Gojira?). :lol: They're all great.

Nah, the problem is everyone else in the movie.

If you're gonna hide and tease your monster, you have to come through with your characters. This movie, actually made me appreciate JJ Abrams and Super 8 in a way I never did before, because there's a spark of character that JJ can always create and capture, JJ had it in those kids, and that's missing in Godzilla. And you look for it, in the little side comments and interactions that never come. And you wait for it in their motions and reactions, but there's almost nothing there. The people are too plain. Sally Hawkins, who was awesome in Happy-Go-Lucky, and Liz Olsen aren't in the movie. Outside of Cranston and Watanabe, the non-monster stuff is Battle Los Angeles level.

The end all be all of the whole thing...the person that's supposed to put the weight of the flick on his shoulders and give the movie heart and meaning and tension until the big stuff kicks off...is Aaron Johnson. ******* Kick-***. And he is just a nothing actor in the role. Reminded me of a mix between Sam Worthington and Junie from Spy Kids. Even though he got brolic for the role, he looks and sounds like a 12-year old on horse steroids. He's what that kid from Turbo Power Rangers would look and sound like after he morphed. And he's just unaffecting and passively weak through the whole movie. It felt like they couldn't afford Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Chris Evans or Channing Tatum. Bad acting makes you cringe, bland acting just makes you never care. Josh Duhamel in Transformers is better than him.

And his character's the heart of the film. When that fails, now it does feel like they really cheaped out on showing Godzilla. Now the movie feels slower than it is. And you're not as connected to the storyor the moments like you should be. And it feels like they're hung up on the technical, procedural stuff more than anyone really cares. You feel like you've seen some of the same scenes over and over again. But that's all because Aaron Johnson gives you almost nothing, and the choices they made with their other characters leave it all on his shoulders. This is a movie that could've used...Jeff Goldblum from Independence Day to give human parts more of a spark.

And with all of my appreciation for the things this movie isn't, Godzilla makes me feel picky. It's smart and mature and the characters aren't stupid or annoying. There's no real cringe scenes and it's a cool movie. It keeps things interesting and deals with the monster in a realistic way. But, this is a movie without a sense of humor. It takes things just a little too seriously all the time. And the characters all say the bare minimum of what they need to. It's a story without talking in it. And the cinematography isn't good enough to make that work. Outside of a few shots of Godzilla, there's no signature visual moments in the movie. No...awe-inspiring perfect shots like Life of Pi had or the beginning of The Impossible.

There's just this gulf between the very beginning of the movie and the very ending, where the whole thing is just kinda on autopilot. Nthing was bad and the movie didn't lose its pace and the story kept making movie sense and being interesting. But even setting aside the Godzilla teases and Aaron Johnson...it felt like the movie just constantly kept restarting, over and over again. Every 15 minutes, until maybe halfway through the movie, could've thrown away what came before and been the start of the movie just fine. And that's kind of a problem. The script and Gareth Edwards just kinda paint in broad strokes, but in a dignified way, not a Roland Emmerich way, so it doesn't feel as hacky.

But when it goes down...It's so ******* good. :nthat:

Godzilla's a weird movie. I started just feeling like it was a kinda disappointing movie, most of the way through, but then the ending wiped almost all of that away for me, cuz it was so live. Solid 6/8

And you know what would've been poetic and perfect? If they would've cast Aaron Paul instead Aaron Johnson. Forget the physique...that guy can make you care on a dime, and in a weird way that characters kinda ends up narrating half the movie, and his voice is the worst. He still sounds like teenage Kick-***. Cuz of him, this is a movie I doubt I'd ever watch beginning to end again. I'd definitely watch the last half hr. Maybe jump around for the Cranston scenes and to hear Ken Watanabe be awesome and that's it. And that's about...1/3 of the movie, tops?

As far as cgi disaster movies go...on a human/acting level, it's behind I Am Legend and War of the Worlds. Movies that had main characters that hit moments that'll stick with you a while, even if the cgi event stuff doesnt. But on a big event/cgi level...this movie's ahead of like a Transformers or Day after Tomorrow, where you're supposed to turn off your brain or at the end you just think...that's it? I'd put it just about on King Kong's level all around.



Them killing Bryan Cranston off early felt like Place Beyond the Pines. The movie, emotionally, never recovered from him being gone. It would've been perfect if Aaron Paul had been cast instead to be his son, because I would've bought Aaron Paul as a smart soldier more than Aaron Johnson. And there were those deeper moments later on, like when he torched the MUTO eggs, where I just needed someone to yell, YEAH *****. :lol:
 
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I don't know Neg, I felt like he was a lot better than Sam Worthington. I really didn't have a big problem with him.

No, he wasn't really groundbreaking, not even close. But he was good enough to drive the plot.

Look at this way. Was he Shia?

Shia only added to the problem that was the Transformers films.

While AJT wasn't fantastic, he wasn't Shia either.
 
Also, it was incredibly awkward to have Aaron Taylor Johnson and Elizabeth Olsen embrace each other and show affection for one another considering they're going to be the twins in The Avengers: Age of Ultron. :lol:

Speaking of, Scarlet Witch? Ehhhh. Didn't like the way she looked.
 
I still haven't seen it yet but we can't have the standard for any role be Shia now. He's clearly subpar more times than not.

Can't be leaving movies saying well at the least the lead wasn't as bad as Shia :lol: :smh:
 
Shia's acting and emotions over his car >>> Aaron Taylor-Johnson trying to get back to his wife and kid.

And I'm not even exaggerating that much :lol:

Olsen is awesome. She can have that "weird" kind of pretty every now and then, but I'll take it :pimp: She's a very good actress and I'm really looking forward to her in Avengers.
 
Shia's acting and emotions over his car >>> Aaron Taylor-Johnson trying to get back to his wife and kid.

And I'm not even exaggerating that much :lol:

Olsen is awesome. She can have that "weird" kind of pretty every now and then, but I'll take it :pimp: She's a very good actress and I'm really looking forward to her in Avengers.
For real right? You better believe I would have went after EO like George Costanza looking for safety during a fire. Children and elderly be damned.
 
I don't know Neg, I felt like he was a lot better than Sam Worthington. I really didn't have a big problem with him.

Like...in a vacuum, I didn't have a problem with him. If he was just a character in the movie, he was fine.

But they leaned the weight of the movie on him for half the movie, and his acting almost put me to sleep.

Look at this way. Was he Shia?

For what it was, Shia owned that role, though.

And I'd take the bus driver on the bridge over AJT. :lol:
 
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Anyone seen Blue Caprice?

Thought it was a good film.

I went in not really expecting anything or even knowing what it was, just cuz I thought the cast was interesting and it kinda blew me away.

Isiah Washington disappeared into the role, and the kid was real good. Everyone did their thing for what it was. And it was kinda cool seeing that chick from Chasing Amy again. My only knock was, I got the style and perspective they went with, I just kinda wished there was a little more to the story they told. Like when it was over, I wished the movie could keep going for another hour. :lol:

But I recommend the movie to anyone looking for a moody, tense indie character piece with black leads.

The less you know about it the better.
 
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I'll probably check out Blue Caprice tomorrow. Saw it was on earlier. Short synopsis seems interested. I always wondered about black ppl doing that. Doesn't get depicted enough in that context.
 
Just came out of Godzilla.

Spoiler
They find monster
Godzilla finds monster
Godzilla kills monster.



Now.
First and foremost...Elizibeth Olsen ain't that cute, wide face.

Outside of Godzilla the monsters looked terrie. Awkward, Clunky it's like no one put thought into the monsters. Why would they walk on their wrists? Why did they move so wierdly?

That being said Godzilla looked like a moutha******* boss! When he killed the final monster I was like Damnnn!!!!

Ford was an animal. I liked his character, very determined, resourceful.

The third act saved this movie. First Act dragged on, although Cranstons parts were pretty good. Second Act was just poorly written, in fact up until the third act the entire movie was poorly written.

Here's some questions I had, don't read if you don't like spoilers:

When Cranston goes back into the restricted zone, how do they know he's there?

How is Ford able to just bounce out to Japan? More importantly, how was he able to go everywhere he was able to go so effortlessly? Like my man was jumping on planes, trains, in and out of military connvos etc.

Why'd his wife say shell stay, leave her son with random person then later go anyway? Like why leave her son at all?

What's the deal with the random Asian kid on the tram?

How was the monster always around this ***** Ford?


I liked how the humans were just there to watch. The scale was huge, I loved that.

That final fight scene was epic.

There was a discussion a few pages ago about how much soundtrack mattered, go watch this movie and rethink you're opinion, the soundtrack as amazing. I felt it in my chest when Godzilla screamed...ain't eem watch in IMAX that was regular sound boi!
 
Answers to spoilers

It's a top secret occupied zone, chances are they have some sort of surveillance.
Ford and his father were brought out of Japan after Wanatabe said he needed them, then Cranston died on the helicopter. He was in the military and an expert at bombs, so they let him join up. I'm sure in real life, it's not that easy for a guy from one branch to just jump into another branch's operations.. but again, it's a movie.
The wife said they'd meet at the hospital, I think.. so she wanted to stay so they would meet up and be together. And it wasn't a random person, it was a co-worker and her son was being taken to a safe zone. Yeah, in real life the mother would probably stay with the son, but it's a movie.
Random kid on the train was to make you like Ford.. he's a good guy since he protected this random kid who was separated from his parents... plus the kid acts as a surrogate for protecting his own son.
Ford and the monster were near each other because they started in the same place.. were headed to the same place.. and you needed to have a character you care about be in harm's way.
 
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Legendary cinematographer Gordon Willis has died.

The Godfather
Godfather Part II
Annie Hall
Zelig
Manhattan


just to name a few



GREAT interview that illustrates how important
 
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