Oh I'm sorry, Did I Break Your Conversation........Well Allow Me A Movie Thread by S&T

[hymen man]

Yeah, trailers made it look awful.. and I had no interest before reading a few reviews. I normally never watch action movies that aren't comic book related during the Summer because it's the same rehashed crap.. glad the reviews have been good, gives me a reason to see Emily Blunt.

Maybe it's just me (or my man crush on Jake Johnson/Damon Wayans) but Lets Be Cops looks hilarious.

 

[mronegative]

Kinda made the movie better that the ads sucked. Not just low hopes, but they gave like...nothing away that happened after the first 10 minutes. You never get to see a movie this big, blind like that. Just a refreshing experience.

And I like the trailer for Let's Be Cops and Wayans Jr is my guy from Happy Endings, so I'll look out for it.

I'm Gonna Git You Sucka was on the other day and it's ignorant how much Jr looks like his pops. Ignorant.

 

[am1x90xnike]

Notice my list...Let's Be Cops



I'll admit, there is no storyline to speak of but it looks super funny.

 

[hymen man]

Nina Dobrev

 

[Master Zik]

Just red caliekev's post and I liked it but I kinda stopped and had to ask since I disagree. He mentioned GOD tier and mentioned DDL of course but then Gary Oldman. I really like his work but can I get a list of movies where's he demonstrated mastery of the craft? Cuz I don't think I've seen it once. He's a great complimentary piece. I can see the clear potential as a supporting character but I can't recall much movies where he was the lead let alone where he was the antagonist or protagonist and excelled.

So this is my inquiry in to Gary Oldman. Can't be up on everybody.

Rest of his point was a good read even though I may disagree with a few things or see just see a few actors differently.

 

[chillbroswaggin]

Just saw The Signal hovering around 50% on RT. Guess I'll dial back my hype some.

 

[mronegative]

I couldn't fault that. Oldman is a chameleon. You almost can't recognize him from one role to another and he's killed it in so many different ways.

He just hasn't been the lead in too many movies, but he's been the best part in so many, and he can lift up bad movies.

the Batmans, Leon the Professional, Fifth Element, True Romance. He's awesome.

 

[shogun]

I saw the Let's Be Cops trailer when I watched xmen. Looks funny. Even more people will be cops for halloween and act like fools. Last see I saw people dressed as swat on every block.

 

[lawdog1]

I couldn't fault that. Oldman is a chameleon. You almost can't recognize him from one role to another and he's killed it in so many different ways.

He just hasn't been the lead in too many movies, but he's been the best part in so many, and he can lift up bad movies.

the Batmans, Leon the Professional, Fifth Element, True Romance. He's awesome.

Yeah, he's general a supporting guy, but has held it down as the lead in a few things, going all the way back to Sid and Nancy. Immortal Beloved and Tinker Tailor are a couple other things he's carried.

The way that I would put it is that he's not a movie star, but he's a brilliant actor. As good as it gets, really, when you think about all the vastly different roles he's played. DDL is a movie star AND an incredible actor..

 

[mastamind033]

For Oldman in a lead role, off the top of my head I'd say watch Sid and Nancy

Also would watch The Contender and State of Grace for some more amazing performances by him

 

[Master Zik]

@ This Means War even being mentioned. I totally blanked on Hardy being in that. I kept thinking what does Chris Pine and Resse have to do with anything?

Watching Mud for the second time
I'd bet a lot of money that this role was the reason Mattie got cast in True Detective

You'd lose the money but it's not a bad guess/reason.

I don't even know what new or young means right now

but I'll watch anything new that Michael B. Jordan, David Oyelowo, John Boyega and Ryan Gosling are in.

For actresses, too many Marion Cotillard... Zoe Saldana...Carey Mulligan...Tatiana Maslany...Lawrence...Chastain...too many

Son said younger and then listed Chiewtel. I was like da ****??!!

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Chiewtel is 36, that's youngish... Gosling is 33... Leo's 39...

I love Gary Oldman, but he hasn't had the body of work where he could really flex his muscles. The parts he's had though are like getting some marrow from a t bone ribeye though. Unexpected but so damn good...

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah read O's post replying to calikev I can definitely get on that Hardy praise. Son be shining. I expect much from the movie I posted a pic from.

I kinda watched Tinker Tailor cuz of Hardy and Firth.

As far as Oldman, I'll check up on Sid & Nancy. I haven't seen State of Grace in a while or True Romance or 5th Element (although I can remember and see what you're talking about there). I saw Leon the Professional again some time last year though. I can definitely see what everyone is talking about from that angle but maybe it was my fault for seeing his name next to DDL and expecting something truly standout and exceptional in comparison. I'm thinking he's such a chameleon I've been kinda overlooking him on that level.

 

[hymen man]

Oldman in True Romance

 

[lawdog1]

Oldman as Mason Verger in Hannibal is another show stealing performance.

 

[mronegative]

Leon the Professional was like the first movie I absolutely loved. True Romance was one of the first ones too.
So I kinda hold those performances way up high. Can't tell me nothin. I watched Medium just for Alabama

Always hear about Sid and Nancy, but I've actually never heard of Immortal Beloved, State of Grace or The Contender before...
So I'll add those to the list.

Oldman as Mason Verger in Hannibal is another show stealing performance.

I always forget this, cuz I can't wrap my mind around that being him.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

I loved The Contender... Jeff Bridges as the Prez & Sam Elliott sans mustache too? Oldman & that perm he had was hilarious but he become Senator Runyon...

State of Grace had a great cast, but was kinda a flawed movie with some good performances with one of them being Oldman of course.

Immortal Beloved was even more of a flawed movie & I'm conflicted about Oldman as Ludwig Van. I can't tell if it was him or the rest of the cast that over did it...

 

[Master Zik]

So I only click on this link cuz it's image was one of the few pics where I find JLa attractive thinking it was just one those miscellaneous tabloid articles at the bottom of some pgs but it's:


25 Most Overrated Actresses


and I gotta say the first one being someone I could agree with and part of the short little blurb isn't wrong; Julia Roberts. Kinda goes off the rails a bit from there given how far they're gonna go with criticisms while still being on point about certain actresses. Keeping in mind they're saying overrated and not trash even though what they say might as well be that.

I will say though as I went through the list I was waiting for one I completely disagree with.

It also made me ask the question, if you replaced every Hilary Swank role with Rachel McAdams would anybody notice? or hell how many ppl would notice the improvement?

 

[chillbroswaggin]

So I only click on this link cuz it's image was one of the few pics where I find JLa attractive thinking it was just one those miscellaneous tabloid articles at the bottom of some pgs but it's:


25 Most Overrated Actresses


and I gotta say the first one being someone I could agree with and part of the short little blurb isn't wrong; Julia Roberts. Kinda goes off the rails a bit from there given how far they're gonna go with criticisms while still being on point about certain actresses. Keeping in mind they're saying overrated and not trash even though what they say might as well be that.

I will say though as I went through the list I was waiting for one I completely disagree with.

It also made me ask the question, if you replaced every Hilary Swank role with Rachel McAdams would anybody notice? or hell how many ppl would notice the improvement?

Def chuckled a few times. Hayden, Malin, Heigl, Hudson, Lohan, Fox ..always been meh.

 

[calikev34]

Just red caliekev's post and I liked it but I kinda stopped and had to ask since I disagree. He mentioned GOD tier and mentioned DDL of course but then Gary Oldman. I really like his work but can I get a list of movies where's he demonstrated mastery of the craft? Cuz I don't think I've seen it once. He's a great complimentary piece. I can see the clear potential as a supporting character but I can't recall much movies where he was the lead let alone where he was the antagonist or protagonist and excelled.

So this is my inquiry in to Gary Oldman. Can't be up on everybody.

Rest of his point was a good read even though I may disagree with a few things or see just see a few actors differently.

I don't think I respect another human being the way I respect Gary Oldman.
Obligatory photographic evidence of his disgusting ability

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

As radically impressive as The Great Ones (the silly little name I have given the "Fab Five" listed below) physical transformations are, something speaks to me about the energy they emits that goes beyond words.

I believe Oldman has that energy.
If i tried to explain it's almost like the have taken on their character's ethos, and so their faces (and bodies) physially remarkable changes
I really only have ever seen it with Daniel Day, Phoenix, Bale, Hardy and Mr. Oldman.
He played Sid Viscious, dude. Sid ******* Viscious.
Thinking about it now, I have to believe that these five are not only "method actors", but I'd have to assume that they prolong "method acting" throughout the ENTIRETY of their work with that character.
And it shines through.
My example is Oldman's Sid Viscious bc dude Sid was a fckn monster. Like he was not a musician. He was just a dude that was always around the sex pistols
And one night he took a **** ton of speed and taught himself to play the bass
So, he took on the role of their bass player, but he still wasn't a musician. He was just a sick **** that now knew a few cords
The manifestation of self-destruciton , dude would slash his chest on stage and ****
"Bury me in my boots and jacket. Bury me next to my baby" {idgaf if you think this writing wasn't really done by him. It was.]
All the colorful details aside- Sid was very unique and therefore so was his body.
Thoughts-words-actions-life (our physical bodies included here), right?
When I saw Gary on screen as Sid Viscious I couldn't believe what i was seeing because I swear to god, like his body WAS Sid's
I have to add in here that i'M A HUGE BELIEVE / SUPPORTER/ADVOCATE/WHATEVER OF VISUAIZATION AND SOME OF THESE FEATS THAT i SEE HAVE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED THIS WAY. (excuse the caps, i didn't mean to, and dont feel like retyping it )
Like that's how Arnold and Kai Greene did what they did. They became something else. Entirely different and devoid of there previous self.
The only difference being that bodybuilers prolong their new selves for even longer.
But yeah, Gary scared me bc of how good he was.
I'm also a big believer in the mind body connection (elltio hulse talks about the relationship between posture and your mental health.
And seeing this very specific body type (Sid Viscious) be replicated in a way that you couldn't do it without taking on the ethos that got Sid there.
******* nuts man.

Once again, maybe you think I'm putting too much weight (no pun) on a certain type of physical transformaiton but there's a reason why Bale SHRANK SEVERAL INCHES because of his American Hustle role
That slouched murdered his spine. And that amount of unhealthy weight literally compounded the problem.
There's a reason why Joaquins entire ******* anatomy changed (you can see it on the beach scene in The Master-- or inspect his face in the department store scene where he fights that fat guy, and compare it to a "different Joaquin")
To put yourself through that, and for me to watch it take place is nothing short of amazing
And, on one hand, from the outside perspective, you can admire the dedication. The hard work it takes to achieve those quantitive achievements (weight, height, etc)
but from an inner perspective you have to explore their mental process throughout the entire time of abusing their own physical bodies
They commit to becoming these characters (Ya'll know DDL had a freak out before opening night when he was doing Hamlet? Yeah he had a vision of his dead father and it traumatized him so much he dropped out of the play, and swore to never go back to the theatre [he hasn't]. Hamlet, if I may remind you... a story in which the main character is visited by the ghost of his dead father.)
The more i learn, the more i perscribe to the way the Greeks regarded creative outlet , and thats that its otherworldly.
The energy comes from SOMEWHERE ELSE, so how could we possibly define something hat originates from something beyond us and our scope?(The Great Beyond)
I think only the greats. I think they tap into that. (Greats in all aspects of life, all professions, but i'm gunna continue to talk about actors, bc I'm a selfish little insecure **** who hopes to be one one day but would rather analyze it then commit himself to it)
And when they do, they rewire their brains, which in turn changes the literal look of their faces and bodies and you can't fake it, makeup can't feign it,
And you can't teach it. You either are willing to take yourself there or you are not.
To let Cudi sum it up "most people are *******"
Hope that all made sense.



Ah. The last thing i want to add in here.
Like Josh hamilton going from a smack addict to the HR Derby

the closer you've been to death, the bigger your life will alow you to be
Tom hardy was a crackhead on the streets in the uK when he was discovered and subsequently won a modeling contest.
Now, you see him put that same desperation into his roles and character work.
I have to ask myself, and I do it everyday.
Addicts are the only true geniuses
Is that true?
Can you ever be truly great at something (the writers, poets, and revolutionaries and people that changed the world-their level) without being obsessive to the point of addiction?
(Addiction here being defined as a reiwring of your reward pathway so that, that which you seek and the only things that make you feel good and alive must be achieved bc you have a compulsive need for it and you will hurt yourself if you don't have access to?)

I don't know anything, man. But the more I see, the less I know, and so, the one thing I can say with confidence is that- the only people that I TRULY respect are the crazy ones.
And not just me. The respect comes from everyone and it comes from them whether they know it or not.
“the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars.”
Kerouac said that.
i think that crazy, that abiity for greatness, commitmment and honor is within all of us.
The million dollar question being... how far are you willing to take it?
But once again.
Most people are cowards. Most people are scared to live dormant (Hov) and only a few will let themselves get so close to the edge that they see the bottom and then instead of coming back and telling us what they saw, they show us through their work and their art and their act of doing so shows most people something that they themselves will never see.
And for that, we should be truly grateful.


So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

 

[calikev34]

And I refuse to entertain the notion of reducing the quality of a performance and basing this reduction off of the quantity of the performance
The idea that it should be a 1;1 ratio is absolutely ridiculous to me
You don't measure important events in your life based on how long they took to happen
A car accident can change your life in less than a second
And the show can be stolen with a line, a scene, or a cameo.

In my mind, Gary Oldman and Philip Seymour Hoffman are one in the same.
Screen time be damned, they've commandeered entire movies with one scene (like Punch Drunk Love... OMFG. Wow. I can't.)

I'm obsessed with True Romance.
Even though QT distanced himself from the flick, and his script was heavily edited, you can still feel his influence and to me it's a great movie.
Oldman's character in that is ridiculous. The notion of him playing it before he was cast is ridiculous, and all I want to know is who pitched the idea originally
But it all came together, man.
And I forget the details, but everything he added to that "drug dealing pimp skeleton of a character" I thinkkkkk was purely his ideas, or it was going to be extended into it's own movie, or the part in the original script was much bigger. Idk. i don't remember

The only thing I will ever hold against Gary Oldman, I can't even hold against Gary Oldman
buttttttt him being cast as Sirius Black was an assault on a very young vulnerable soul that had already designed Sirius in his head
Harry Potter was my life when I was little, man. I'm still upset about what they did with his the scar and his eyes for Radcliffe.
So, yeah. Mother **** that casting director one time for my main man Sirius, but Gary is still battin' 1000% in my eyes

 

[lawdog1]

Solid contributions to the thread, but calikev starting to make Mr. O look like a man of few words. Never thought I'd see that.

 

[calikev34]

see you guys next week!

 

[Master Zik]

And I refuse to entertain the notion of reducing the quality of a performance and basing this reduction off of the quantity of the performance
The idea that it should be a 1;1 ratio is absolutely ridiculous to me
You don't measure important events in your life based on how long they took to happen
A car accident can change your life in less than a second
And the show can be stolen with a line, a scene, or a cameo.

In my mind, Gary Oldman and Philip Seymour Hoffman are one in the same.
Screen time be damned, they've commandeered entire movies with one scene (like Punch Drunk Love... OMFG. Wow. I can't.)

I'm obsessed with True Romance.
Even though QT distanced himself from the flick, and his script was heavily edited, you can still feel his influence and to me it's a great movie.
Oldman's character in that is ridiculous. The notion of him playing it before he was cast is ridiculous, and all I want to know is who pitched the idea originally
But it all came together, man.
And I forget the details, but everything he added to that "drug dealing pimp skeleton of a character" I thinkkkkk was purely his ideas, or it was going to be extended into it's own movie, or the part in the original script was much bigger. Idk. i don't remember

The only thing I will ever hold against Gary Oldman, I can't even hold against Gary Oldman
buttttttt him being cast as Sirius Black was an assault on a very young vulnerable soul that had already designed Sirius in his head
Harry Potter was my life when I was little, man. I'm still upset about what they did with his the scar and his eyes for Radcliffe.
So, yeah. Mother **** that casting director one time for my main man Sirius, but Gary is still battin' 1000% in my eyes

See now I'd agree with this but like I said its possible Oldman was such a chameleon that I overlooked a lot of what he's done or his greatness. When he's not outright shining in a role I mostly think "supporting actor" when I think of him.

Saying he's one in the same with Hoffman is high HIGH praise from my perspective, especially given I'm still watching every movie PSH has been in. So I'll definitely give Oldman a more critical and in depth look.

I will say though I do not put a whole lot of stock in physical transformations. They definitely change the actor and enhance their performance but its only so impressive to a point. I'm looking at much more when Bale and Phoenix become these characters.

 

[lypac]

Random movies during lunch on netflix:

Pain and Gain really stinks. I'm not going to be able to finish watching it. My cot it's horrible.

Prison Break cot damn long series they should have just ended it but it kept stretching it out. I just couldn't watch it anymore. I was invested too. Damn.

Mud decent movie.

House of Cards rise to presidency was just too quick. I would have rather one more season for him to get there. But still Awesome show.