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CP1708 said:
Zik, why do you give Lucas credit for Indiana Jones?

Kasdan wrote it, Spielberg directed it.

What am I missing? Cuz Lucas came up with the name?
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Lucas comes up with the stories and creates these things. Then he has somebody else write the screen play and direct the movie. Just because somebody else wrote the screenplay and directed doesn't mean they created it.

Everybody knows George Lucas created Indiana Jones :lol: How is this being challenged? How much do you want to strip from him man? It's a good thing creator rights are pretty clear.

It's the same case with Willow. George didn't direct or write the screenplay but the story was solely created by him. You can think of it like with book adaptions. The creator is still the creator. I'm pretty sure the majority of Lucasfilm movies were created by George. You wouldn't say somebody else created James bond cuz the author didn't direct or write the screenplay.

They're his creation and regardless the rights are owned by Lucasfilm. So now Disney can make w/e Indiana Jones movies they want.
 
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CP1708 said:
Avatar 760 mil
Titanic 658 mil
Jurassic World 652 mil

That's just domestic.

Avatar was 2.8 Bil worldwide.


I predict TFA to do 1 Bil domestic, and 3 Bil worldwide. Been saying it for months, not backin off now.
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Worldwide gross hinges on China. The marketing has to be in overdrive over there by now; if Disney gets it right, and the Asian market gives this thing legs through winter, they'll hit $3BN easy.

I'd be amazed if we see it hit a billion here in the US.
 
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the insane thing about titanic was the opening weekend was less than 30 million . Then add to that tickets use to cost like 6 dollars
 
With the US gross, I think it's going to depend on how long they leave it in the theaters. I think they can leave it on a significant number of screens all the way into like April and it will continue to make money. But they might chose to pull it before that to focus on the DVD/blu ray.
 
lawdog1 said:
Sorry for spamming the thread, but here's another update, not movie related:

Just wanted to let you all know that I just got the report from my wife's surgeon that the transplant was a success and she is in stable condition.

My brother, the kidney donor, has been out of surgery for more than an hour. His part of the process also went smoothly.

Thanks so much for the thoughts and prayers. Much appreciated
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All the best to your wife and bro, my man.

Glad to read everything went well. 
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lawdog1 said:
Sorry for spamming the thread, but here's another update, not movie related:

Just wanted to let you all know that I just got the report from my wife's surgeon that the transplant was a success and she is in stable condition.

My brother, the kidney donor, has been out of surgery for more than an hour. His part of the process also went smoothly.

Thanks so much for the thoughts and prayers. Much appreciated
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great to hear man, I'll probably DM you in a few weeks w/ questions, etc
 
CP1708 said:
Zik, why do you give Lucas credit for Indiana Jones?

Kasdan wrote it, Spielberg directed it.

What am I missing? Cuz Lucas came up with the name?
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I believe the question was what other films are under Lucasfilm and Indiana Jones is certainly one of them
 
Master Zik said:
CP1708 said:
Zik, why do you give Lucas credit for Indiana Jones?

Kasdan wrote it, Spielberg directed it.

What am I missing? Cuz Lucas came up with the name?
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Lucas comes up with the stories and creates these things. Then he has somebody else write the screen play and direct the movie. Just because somebody else wrote the screenplay and directed doesn't mean they created it.

Everybody knows George Lucas created Indiana Jones :lol: How is this being challenged? How much do you want to strip from him man? It's a good thing creator rights are pretty clear.

It's the same case with Willow. George didn't direct or write the screenplay but the story was solely created by him. You can think of it like with book adaptions. The creator is still the creator. I'm pretty sure the majority of Lucasfilm movies were created by George. You wouldn't say somebody else created James bond cuz the author didn't direct or write the screenplay.

They're his creation and regardless the rights are owned by Lucasfilm. So now Disney can make w/e Indiana Jones movies they want.
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My thing is, he came up with PART of the story. Philip Kauffman came up with a large part of it as well, and Kasdan and Spielberg added their input as well.

Not to mention, Lucas sold SS on having the trilogy already written, which was bull ****. (dude made the same claims with Star Wars, when clearly he hadn't done more than outlining, otherwise brother and sister wouldn't be making out, and the lady that died would get more credit for Vader being Luke's father, but alas.... :lol: )

He collaborated a story, he deserves that, but to say the film franchise "is his" strikes me as a little bogus.

Not a big deal, obviously my view doesn't change anything, I just honestly never heard that Indy was credited to him. I've always had it as a Spielberg franchise. Was surprised to keep seeing Lucas' name keep coming up.
 
So this Denis Villeneuve guy, who did Prisoners and Sicario has my full attention.

Both those films had me on the edge of my seat, literally. He has some helluva way to tell a story and keep you tense the entire time.

Now he's working on the Blade Runner sequel? ****.
 
CP1708 said:
Master Zik said:
CP1708 said:
Zik, why do you give Lucas credit for Indiana Jones?

Kasdan wrote it, Spielberg directed it.

What am I missing? Cuz Lucas came up with the name?
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Lucas comes up with the stories and creates these things. Then he has somebody else write the screen play and direct the movie. Just because somebody else wrote the screenplay and directed doesn't mean they created it.

Everybody knows George Lucas created Indiana Jones :lol: How is this being challenged? How much do you want to strip from him man? It's a good thing creator rights are pretty clear.

It's the same case with Willow. George didn't direct or write the screenplay but the story was solely created by him. You can think of it like with book adaptions. The creator is still the creator. I'm pretty sure the majority of Lucasfilm movies were created by George. You wouldn't say somebody else created James bond cuz the author didn't direct or write the screenplay.

They're his creation and regardless the rights are owned by Lucasfilm. So now Disney can make w/e Indiana Jones movies they want.
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My thing is, he came up with PART of the story. Philip Kauffman came up with a large part of it as well, and Kasdan and Spielberg added their input as well.

Not to mention, Lucas sold SS on having the trilogy already written, which was bull ****. (dude made the same claims with Star Wars, when clearly he hadn't done more than outlining, otherwise brother and sister wouldn't be making out, and the lady that died would get more credit for Vader being Luke's father, but alas.... :lol: )

He collaborated a story, he deserves that, but to say the film franchise "is his" strikes me as a little bogus.

Not a big deal, obviously my view doesn't change anything, I just honestly never heard that Indy was credited to him. I've always had it as a Spielberg franchise. Was surprised to keep seeing Lucas' name keep coming up.
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I'm not denying other ppl added to it. My thing is when it comes to crediting who came up with it George is mentioned, he's never left out. If you walked up to Spielberg (or Kasdan) and asked him how did he came up with Indiana Jones the story isn't going to leave out George. I'm pretty sure he'd start off "Well George came to me.....". So when you say he only came up with part of the story the next question is which part? What if George only came up with the character Indy and a loose outline of the first movie? What if he came up with main ideas of the plot but was vague as hell on the protagonist? You can search online and everywhere I see it says George Lucas created the character. If you watch the credits of every movie his name is there. Why is it that George was involved with every single movie behind the scenes? They really needed his guidance on a franchise he only created part of? Why didn't he just move on after some time like others have done after creating something and basically get paid as just producer?

If there was any disputes over this and it was a George swooped in and took the credit situation, friendships would've ended and lawsuits would've been filed a long time ago.

When it comes down to it, neither you or me were in that room with them all or just George when who came up with what idea or story or premise or concept.

Indy is called a Spielberg franchise cuz the franchise is a movie. It'd be very different if we were talking about a different medium. In Hollywood, the director gets the praise (or criticism) especially when were talking about something that didn't start as a book or comic or tv show first. That's basically the difference between stuff like Star Wars and Harry Potter.

I mean look at Alien, who created Alien? ........ Now who gets credited as the mastermind behind Alien? Ripley ******* Scott. It's had so many sequels and Ripley has returned that not many ppl even bring up Dan O'Bannon.

Look at Terminator, Rambo, Die Hard, there's more examples. The whole creator, screenwriter, director stuff fluctuates as far as whose name is attached to the franchise.

I guess this stuff would be better if there was already some biography on Lucas or a documentary (there actually is a biography on him called Skywalking (1983) I just looked up written by Dale Pollock which was updated 3 different times) on his creations but if you look at past interviews, Steve and George tell it the same about how the character was created. If you want to get technical Lucas and Spielberg would go down as co-creators (sort of like Stan Lee and Jack Kirby).
 
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shogun said:
This stupid boy in my middle school class was bragging he watched it 6-7 times in the theater. Who in the hell would brag about that? He deserved a stone cold stunner for that or a diamond cutter in some concrete.
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Same people that deserve a rock bottom and people's elbow for seeing SW more than 2 times in a theater setting.
 
CP1708 said:
Avatar 760 mil
Titanic 658 mil
Jurassic World 652 mil

That's just domestic.

Avatar was 2.8 Bil worldwide.


I predict TFA to do 1 Bil domestic, and 3 Bil worldwide. Been saying it for months, not backin off now.
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Avatar.

Did 760 domestic.

And 2.8 BILLION worldwide?

Holy moneybags, Batman!
 
What was the budget on TFA? The leads didn't get paid much but it looks like they put a lot of money into building sets and practical effects
 
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