THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Official Thread - 6/28 - TV Spot 10 on Last Page (More Selina Kyle)

SenorRoboto2k5 said:
It's implied that he becomes some sort of hero to fight injustice... which IMO is the only important takeaway. Nolan doesn't seem to care whether the audience thinks that hero will be Robin, a new Batman, etc.
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Well the title is Dark Knight Rises and the end has a platform rising and it is presumed the Batcave. In the end, it is up to the viewer what they want to translate from that but I think it is a given he would be the next Batman. To me, he can't be Robin because he pretty much played Robin in the whole film, just w/o the mask and suit. He can't be Nightwing because that is Grayson. He can't be Superman because he isn't from Krypton. He admired Batman and Batman has been telling him about being Bats throughout the film (anyone can be Batman and wearing a mask to protect those closest to you, etc....). So my translation is that he is the next Batman and there really isn't much pointing towards anything else. Again, it is open to interpretation.
 
RFX45 said:
Well the title is Dark Knight Rises and the end has a platform rising and it is presumed the Batcave. In the end, it is up to the viewer what they want to translate from that but I think it is a given he would be the next Batman. To me, he can't be Robin because he pretty much played Robin in the whole film, just w/o the mask and suit. He can't be Nightwing because that is Grayson. He can't be Superman because he isn't from Krypton. He admired Batman and Batman has been telling him about being Bats throughout the film (anyone can be Batman and wearing a mask to protect those closest to you, etc....). So my translation is that he is the next Batman and there really isn't much pointing towards anything else. Again, it is open to interpretation.
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I agree. Alfered saying he hopes to one day see Bruce from afar enjoying life with a wife and possibly kids, then seeing him at the end and doing just that. I'm guessing Batman hung up the cape, gave Blake the directions to the cave, so he can be continue as Batman. Personally I hope they just leave Batman, and do the Nightwing, eventhough the whole orgin story is twisted.
 
donmega said:
Like I've said before... SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF folks. This is a movie (about a fictional story)... why nitpick specific facts? If I'd like to watch something that is super duper real... I'd go and watch some documentary instead. Again there is no point in debating facts, just sit back enjoy the film. Finding plot holes and stuff would just hinder your enjoyment of the film.
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It asks you to suspend disbelief far more than the first two movies. It really does.

Nolan got his accolades by making two realistic batman movies. It's natural for people to be surprised when the third is more comic booky.

The most important part to me was always going to be the ending. And he nailed it :smokin So I am happy and content enough to watch it over and over.

But saying this is better than TDK is madness. Just too messy. The pacing was better in Rises though I'll give it that. Plus it had more epic moments
 
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when Bats tells Bane "You have my permission to die"
Had me mad pumped!
 
Tr1ll said:
Upon seeing it a second time I have questions. I'm sorry if these points have already been touched on.
1. If one is building an underground army with fully automatic weapons, why do you send the whole entire police force into the sewer after them? They were supposed to call in the military at that point.
2. Didn't Miranda Tate say she wanted revenge on her father for exiling Bane? So why would she want to continue his legacy by blowing up Gotham City?
3. I still don't really understand how Blake figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman. He just figured it out? How? What led him to that conclusion? The look on his face? Show your work.
4. If Bane killed Dr. Whatshisface for being the only person that was capable of disarming the bomb, why didn't he kill Lucious?
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Im not gonna bother to use the spoiler option cuz it's Monday.

1) I don't think that Gordon mentioned automatic weapons just an army. also 3000 cops vs 100-200 mercs, they counted on the outnumbered factor.

2)No she hated her father for exiling Bane and could never forgive him, until she lost him. Like most kids who are mad at their parents, they regret any and all issues they have with their parents when the parents die.

3) Blake was an amalgam of 2 Robins - Richard "D" Grayson and Tim Drake. He's Grayson as he is the first and only person that Batman trusts as a potential partner in crime. Plus he's the only person that knows he's Batman that he didn't tell thus Bruce respects that. In the Batman storyline A Lonely place of Dying Tim Drake deduces that Batman is Bruce and that D. Grayson was Robin by a move he saw Grayson do as Robin. thus in similar fashion as a young child Blake knows like most people who Bruce Wayne is but knows that they both share the same pain. Except that Bruce had the means to unleash the anger they both have.

4) He had broken Batman, so he thought there was no way Fox would not only take the bomb much less disarm it on his own. There was no point in killing him. Like he says after the reactor is turned on "Take them upstairs. People of their stature should witness the birth of a new Gotham" or something like that.

And yeah Talia's origin was basically Bane's. I still feel maybe Bane was also born there but only Talia, being the daughter of the Demon's Head had the strength and will to escape the Pit.
 
Why is it madness that i think its better than TDK, why cant we accept that someone may like a movie a lot more/less than another person ?

I think a lot of folks cant separate Heaths performance from the movie, his performance wont be matched but i seriously enjoyed this movie as a whole a lot more. Batman got his ***** kicked, Banes dialogue had me on the edge of my seat, the whole City lockdown was epic....i seriously remember looking at my boy like dam what can Batman do, these dudes are just too much.

TDK had its fair share of loose ends as well, only difference is after it dropped we were enjoying it instead of comparing it to BB since they were like 2 totally different films.
 
blakep267 said:
its no point in talking to you anymore dude. Your using the " its a comic book adaptation" as proof of something that we all know isnt true. Kids in africa? come on dude. your reaching. Your going against everything that was told and shown ( Nolan films a young girl in the pit. but for you," Nah, shes just supposed to be a malnourisshed 16 year old") in the movie to prove some dumb point, because it irks you that Bane was old
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You're right I don't want this to be another comic geek discourse at the comic shop about how Superman can't get Lois pregnant cuz of his super sperm. But the fact is YOU obviously don't know comics if you're gonna stand to reason Bane is older than Batman just in better shape? No way. In Knightfall they're the same age but he had Venom to make him stronger. Here he has age.

Nolan's entire trilogy is laced w/some of the best Batman storylines: The Killing Joke, Knightfall, Venom, No Man's Land, The Long Halloween, Blind Justice and more importantly 2 of Frank Miller's best contributions to the Batman Universe which are super apparent: Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns.

Batman Begins has an entire portion of Year One replicated for the big screen (Batman using Waynetech device in his shoe to summon all the bats from the batcave to his location so he can get away from cops)

The Dark Knight has 2 scenes straight from The Long Halloween (Dent, Gordon and Batman on the roof making a pact to bring down organized crime and then later Gordon, Batman and 2 Face hashing it out at the end)

The Dark Knight Rises has too many scenes to name but the most significant allusions or replications are No Mans Land (Gotham cut off from the world), Knightfall (Bane obviously and Bane Challenging Batman for Gotham then Breaking him) and The Dark Knight Returns (an old, battered Bruce dons the Bat costume once again after a 10 year absence, where he then fights a younger, stronger leader of a mutant gang who beats the tar out of Batman the first time because Batman underestimates his limits).

So after all this you're gonna sit there and tell me that Nolan is gonna not only give us a Bane w/no Venom so he can't hulk out but he's also gonna make him OLDER than Bruce? C'mon son. How's he gonna completely ruin a character such as Bane like that. Ask any BatFan and they'll tell you Bane is younger than Bruce here. You have no legs to stand on. I have gone and proved my point as to why it's logical Bane is younger than Bruce, now back up your Bane is an old buff bad *** theory. don't test my comics knowledge kid cuz I've stayed having Batman comics for 20+ years.
 
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If Blake becomes the new Batman, he's going to need someone to train him. If another strong villain comes around, he'll get whooped.

Something that bothered me was how the priest / guy in charge of the boys home was acting like a jerk at the end. He basically gave up and didn't give a damn anymore.
 
MJsaver said:
Why is it madness that i think its better than TDK, why cant we accept that someone may like a movie a lot more/less than another person ?
I think a lot of folks cant separate Heaths performance from the movie, his performance wont be matched but i seriously enjoyed this movie as a whole a lot more. Batman got his ***** kicked, Banes dialogue had me on the edge of my seat, the whole City lockdown was epic....i seriously remember looking at my boy like dam what can Batman do, these dudes are just too much.
TDK had its fair share of loose ends as well, only difference is after it dropped we were enjoying it instead of comparing it to BB since they were like 2 totally different films.
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obviously I meant IMO.

dudes want this entire thread to be :smokin:smokin:smokin that was the best

it's a discussion. I, ME, think it's madness. doesn't mean i look down on anyone who likes it better. I think it could have been better than TDK. It had the opportunity to be better. Which speaks volumes because Its very hard to follow up TDK and I had low expectation for this one

and no The joker performance was not the only thing that made that movie better
 
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DubA169 said:
obviously I meant IMO.
dudes want this entire thread to be :smokin:smokin:smokin that was the best
it's a discussion. I, ME, think it's madness. doesn't mean i look down on anyone who likes it better. I think it could have been better. It had the opportunity to be better. Which speaks volumes because Its very hard to follow up TDK
and no The joker performance was not the only thing that made that movie better
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+1

Its a good movie but I don't think its as good as either one of the first two and I stated my reasons why.

Also the people I know personally that like this movie a lot are people who didn't like the first two as much and like any big action movie like Transformers 3(a movie with a lot of "cool" action scenes but didn't make any sense)

No biggie its still a really good movie I just don't know how someone can say its the best movie they ever saw.

And I need to know what blaring non explained plot holes were in either of the first two.

Having "a lot moving parts" isn't a good excuse for sloppy story telling.
 
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maxdunker said:
You're right I don't want this to be another comic geek discourse at the comic shop about how Superman can't get Lois pregnant cuz of his super sperm. But the fact is YOU obviously don't know comics if you're gonna stand to reason Bane is older than Batman just in better shape? No way. In Knightfall they're the same age but he had Venom to make him stronger. Here he has age.
Nolan's entire trilogy is laced w/some of the best Batman storylines: The Killing Joke, Knightfall, Venom, No Man's Land, The Long Halloween, Blind Justice and more importantly 2 of Frank Miller's best contributions to the Batman Universe which are super apparent: Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns.
Batman Begins has an entire portion of Year One replicated for the big screen (Batman using Waynetech device in his shoe to summon all the bats from the batcave to his location so he can get away from cops)
The Dark Knight has 2 scenes straight from The Long Halloween (Dent, Gordon and Batman on the roof making a pact to bring down organized crime and then later Gordon, Batman and 2 Face hashing it out at the end)
The Dark Knight Rises has too many scenes to name but the most significant allusions or replications are No Mans Land (Gotham cut off from the world), Knightfall (Bane obviously and Bane Challenging Batman for Gotham then Breaking him) and The Dark Knight Returns (an old, battered Bruce dons the Bat costume once again after a 10 year absence, where he then fights a younger, stronger leader of a mutant gang who beats the tar out of Batman the first time because Batman underestimates his limits).
So after all this you're gonna sit there and tell me that Nolan is gonna not only give us a Bane w/no Venom so he can't hulk out but he's also gonna make him OLDER than Bruce? C'mon son. How's he gonna completely ruin a character such as Bane like that. Ask any BatFan and they'll tell you Bane is younger than Bruce here. You have no legs to stand on. I have gone and proved my point as to why it's logical Bane is younger than Bruce, now back up your Bane is an old buff bad *** theory. don't test my comics knowledge kid cuz I've stayed having Batman comics for 20+ years.
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everything your saying is invalid because Nolan doesnt even follow the comics. Robin wasnt John Blake, Robin's name wasnt even Robin. Bane uses venom. etc. I could go on. If he takes liberties with that, why cant Bane be older. This isnt a comics discussion. This is the movies. Thats like going into raimi's spiderman movies and arguing that his webs arent organic. Its what the movie used. Last time I checked this wasnt a Batman comics discussion. I just gave you plenty of reasons why Bane is what he is in my previous post. Nolan gave you the reasons. Not sure why you want to fight what TDKR states, not the comics

Also the only evidence you gave was Bane taunting Bruce about his fighting style. I gave you details from the movie. The worlds not gonna end just because the movie isnt exactly the same as the comics
 
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Zyzz said:
How did this not beat avengers?:smh:
Btw I thought avengers was terrible
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Probably the shooting had something to do with it. Plus the Avengers was a 3D movie which brings in more money due to higher ticket costs. TDKR officially holds the record for 2D movies beating TDK. That is a feat in itself.
 
saw the movie today. i really loved it. three hours never went by so fast

this movie is better than the last one. much better storyline

it was going to be hard living up to the joker, but bain was a great villian

didnt really find anne hathaway attractive, but she was a hot cat woman
 
Zyzz said:
How did this not beat avengers?:smh:
Btw I thought avengers was terrible
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The Avengers was almost 30-45 minutes shorter than TDKR. Also it was in 3D, PLUS it was coming off the fumes of a series of movies leading up to it...
The Avengers had the upper hand as a whole in comparison to this film as far as the box office goes.
 
RFX45 said:
Well the title is Dark Knight Rises and the end has a platform rising and it is presumed the Batcave. In the end, it is up to the viewer what they want to translate from that but I think it is a given he would be the next Batman. To me, he can't be Robin because he pretty much played Robin in the whole film, just w/o the mask and suit. He can't be Nightwing because that is Grayson. He can't be Superman because he isn't from Krypton. He admired Batman and Batman has been telling him about being Bats throughout the film (anyone can be Batman and wearing a mask to protect those closest to you, etc....). So my translation is that he is the next Batman and there really isn't much pointing towards anything else. Again, it is open to interpretation.
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Yeah, I agree with you overall. The John Blake character was meant to fit the mold of Robin/**** Grayson in the fact that he's a supporting sidekick with idealistic views and an orphan background, but he's not literally any of the versions of Robin/Grayson from the comics (or, god forbid, movies). So what he ends up being - taking Batman's entire costume, building his own costume, or nothing costume-related at all - is left up to us. You can take that he's in the Batcave and such to mean he'll literally be in the Bat costume, or you can take that his real name is "Robin" (which is really meaningless based on the comics) to mean that he'll be wearing a Robin style costume, or you can take that he's just discovering the cave and doing nothing with it

It's a great way to end it, especially with a group of fanboys against the idea of a literal Robin being in the movie. The only thing for certain is that Bruce has inspired others to be heroes like he was.

Cool fact - my imagined ending involved Blake picking up the cowl and walking off
 
blakep267 said:
everything your saying is invalid because Nolan doesnt even follow the comics. Robin wasnt John Blake, Robin's name wasnt even Robin. Bane uses venom. etc. I could go on. If he takes liberties with that, why cant Bane be older. This isnt a comics discussion. This is the movies. Thats like going into raimi's spiderman movies and arguing that his webs arent organic. Its what the movie used. Last time I checked this wasnt a Batman comics discussion. I just gave you plenty of reasons why Bane is what he is in my previous post. Nolan gave you the reasons. Not sure why you want to fight what TDKR states, not the comics
Also the only evidence you gave was Bane taunting Bruce about his fighting style. I gave you details from the movie. The worlds not gonna end just because the movie isnt exactly the same as the comics
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Saying Nolan doesn't follow comics just makes everything you've posted null and void as its obvious i'm dealing with an amateur. I pointed out SPECIFIC portions from the comic books that Nolan recreated in all 3 movies yet you want to boldly say Nolan doesn't follow comics? Okay.....And Raimi's Spiderman was a joke. Mark Webb's ASM $hitted all over that trilogy by staying true.

Nolan respected and admired the comics. He did his best to stay as true to it as possible while making his Batman. He's stated himself the inspirations for many of the movies parts from the comics. If you're too blind to see the correlation between the Dark Knight Rises and the Dark Knight Returns then there's no point in discussing it any further because you're out of your league and obviously not into comics or a batman fan.

And no the world's not going to end because it's not true to the comic because no comic book movie is. But what you're stating is beyond ridiculous. Why is he older? He can't be younger just because there was no other actor playing a younger Bane in the flashback? It makes no sense. If you ask the average movie fan who saw this and ask them why they think Bane beat Batman the first time I guarantee everyone will state it's because Bruce is older and Bane is younger and stronger. Plain and simple. The "Robin" was to appease fans as an Easter egg. Of course Robin's name isn't Robin but it just leaves a window open. They always stated there would never be a Robin. Blake was always that secret prize easter egg. Nolan could've gone any way about stating who John Blake was alluded to being, either by making his real name John Richard Grayson or just Richard Grayson but he chose the simple and most obvious as the final hidden gem.
 
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