**Seattle Mariners 2024 Season Thread ** | 6-8 | v. Cubs & Reds |

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Raaauuuuuuuuuull
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I was thinking the other day by the time the season ends. I'm gonna have to make a Raul Ibanez appreciation thread with all these gifs..He has like 3-4 already 
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Edit: Also SinnerP, imgur images/gifs might dont show up on NT/Huddler for some reason 
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^ Yeah, that happens to me too sometimes... sometimes I see them, sometimes I don't.  Very odd.  I'll try to find another one... 
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Welp.
 
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Sucks to give up a bomb before you're pulled.

Good showing by the rook though.

This offense, more of the same :frown:
 
Theres no way Wedge comes back next year, and the same probably goes for Jack Z lol

At least there was some fight in those old Bill Bavasi teams...this on the other hand, is so pathetic
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Only guy that shows fight in the batch of the M's young guys is Seager (not counting Morse). Guy is just a solid ball player all the way around.

Ackley, Smoak, and Montero are all emotionless and display no fire in their bellies whatsoever. It drives me crazy.
 
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^ Morse hasn't been the same since he injured his finger (understandably), but at this point, isn't it probably better to bench/rest him till he's 100%?

As for Ack, Smoak & Montero, I completely agree, but at the same time it seems like their inherent personality is exactly like that... even if they are hitting well, they won't show much emotion anyway.  Maybe a bigger fist-pump if they hit a game winning homer, but if they're naturally passive (emotionally), having them show more emotion won't necessarily make them play better.  It's just how they are unfortunately. 
 
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[h1]Gutierrez could be put on disabled list soon | Mariners notebook[/h1]
Franklin Gutierrez was once again on the dugout bench for the series finale with the Mariners now admitting the disabled list could be his...

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ARLINGTON, Texas — Franklin Gutierrez was once again on the dugout bench for the series finale with the Mariners now admitting the disabled list could be his next step if he can't play more consecutive games this week.

Mariners manager Eric Wedge said before Sunday's game he didn't want to use Gutierrez in the day game after Saturday night's contest out of fear his stiff legs would not hold up. Wedge plans to play Gutierrez in consecutive games this week against Houston.

"It's just a process of trying to help him get over the hump," Wedge said. "I mean, if we play him again today, it's going to be another step back. If we give him today, then hopefully we can start pulling back-to-back days with him. That would be the plan."

And if that plan fails, the 15-day DL is an option.

"If this keeps up, down the road it is," Wedge said. "We're trying to avoid that, but if it keeps up, that would be our only other option."

The Mariners might not be able to avoid that option much longer, especially with Michael Saunders eligible to return off the DL as early as Friday. That would leave the club with six outfielders and Wedge has hinted that's one too many.

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• Michael Morse hit an eighth-inning double to snap an 0-for-16 slump. Morse has looked off-balance at the plate since his quick return from a broken finger suffered when hit by a pitch April 11 against Texas.

"There's no excuses for it," Morse said of his hitting since returning to action. "That's baseball. You get hurt and you have to come back and play. You have to get over it."

Morse hit .293 with six homers his first 10 games, but is hitting .125 with no homers in six games since his return.
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Time is ticking for alot of dudes on this team. If they dont show up against Houston..man
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Something you guys were kinda alluding to regarding the attitudes/approach some of these guys are displaying.
[h2]Mariners need to stop talking and show some fight[/h2]
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The Mariners struck out 32 times over the weekend and 63 times in the last five games. Photo Credit: AP

You’ve all heard it by now. I know I have. People watching the Mariners who say there’s just no “fight” in the team.

Their own manager pretty much alluded to it over the weekend when he spoke of his frustration over the team’s two-strike approach. Eric Wedge has just about had it with the team’s alarming strikeout totals.

63 strikeouts in five games.

80 strikeouts the past week, when the MLB average was 54.

I’ve seen some people suggest there’s no real difference between hitting with two strikes on you versus doing it with no strikes. Those people have no clue what they’re talking about.

For anyone still doubting, try actually watching a game. See what happens when a hitter gets down two strikes, especially on the road. The crowd starts buzzing with anticipation as the pitcher goes into his windup. The hitter can feel the momentum starting to go against him and has to resist the urge to be sucked away by it. With two strikes, a pitcher can use a whole bunch of weapons in his arsenal and the hitter simply has to fight to stay alive. He has to “spoil” pitches. Has to do something to save himself and avoid being a victim.

That’s what Kyle Seager was talking about the other day when it came to a two-strike approach. That the hitter has to battle. Has to fight.

And this past weekend, the Mariners had no fight in them.

Now, if that continues, that’s on the manager of the team. And that’s likely why Wedge is feeling so frustrated right now. Because it’s one thing when a bunch of prospects — some of them no longer prospects — can’t hit in the big leagues just like they couldn’t hit a year or two years ago. That one’s more on the general manager who picked the players.

But when a team lacks fight, there isn’t much a GM can do. They call the manager a “field general” for a reason and that’s because generals command soldiers and if there’s one thing soldiers are supposed to do it’s…fight.

So, it’s Wedge’s job to put some “fight” into his team. He knows it, the people signing his paycheck know it and pretty much anybody involved in baseball knows it.

When I can sit in the pressbox and know that a strikeout is coming on the very next two-strike pitch without even giving it a second thought, that’s not good. And really, we’re not just talking about young players either. The older ones are just as guilty. Brendan Ryan got obliterated on three straight pitches in a key early at-bat yesterday and you could just sense there was no way the Mariners could win the game.

That has to change. Because if it doesn’t, the Mariners as an organization aren’t going to contend for anything at any point soon. Not this year, next year, or the year after that.

This isn’t about stats, or talent ceiling. It’s about the base instinct of these players as professionals. It cuts to the very core of what they’re doing out there. When push comes to shove, do the Mariners fight back? Or do they take it lying down?

This past week, they took it. Over and over again. There was very little fight in them, even if some good Seattle pitching helped flatter them on the scoreboard a couple of times.

Think back two years to when the Texas Rangers were a strike away from winning the World Series and the St. Louis Cardinals twice literally willed themselves to victory. That’s what it means to fight with two strikes in the count.

Nearly everybody in America expected the game to be over because all the momentum was in the Rangers’ favor at that point. But good teams get to the World Series for a reason. Because they don’t give outs away and they don’t quit with two strikes in the count. That’s why every out in the post-season is so important. You don’t get doormat teams making appearances and rolling over like the Mariners did this weekend.

Now, I’ll put the obvious caveat in.

This season is only three weeks old. The Mariners have not been at full strength for a while now. There is still time for them to determine what type of team they’re going to be.

Are they going to be a team that rolls over in the face of adversity? Or are they at least going to go down with a fight?

That part’s on them to figure out. There’s still time, but a sense of urgency is needed. Deciding to fight in August this year won’t cut it if the season is over by mid-May yet again. By that point it will be too late and the lack of fight will likely cost the jobs of people not wielding a bat every night.

There’s no such thing as a passivity option in baseball. Somebody always pays a price, one way or the other.

And if Wedge can’t put some fight into his team, the price may very well be paid by him.
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Only guy that shows fight in the batch of the M's young guys is Seager (not counting Morse). Guy is just a solid ball player all the way around.

Ackley, Smoak, and Montero are all emotionless and display no fire in their bellies whatsoever. It drives me crazy.
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I'm starting to be convinced that Ackley is the only one you can salvage at this point. Smoak cannot recognize any pitch other than a fastball and the zone recognition/vision is atrocious. Montero has no pop in the bat at the major league level and the defense has somehow gotten worse.

It may be lose/lose at this point. They have to bring up Zunino, split his time with Shoppach and move Jaso to first. Offense will instantly get better. But you have to do that now instead of waiting longer and losing more games. Trouble with that is you don't wanna rush Zunino.
 
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651akathePaul said:
Only guy that shows fight in the batch of the M's young guys is Seager (not counting Morse). Guy is just a solid ball player all the way around.

Ackley, Smoak, and Montero are all emotionless and display no fire in their bellies whatsoever. It drives me crazy.
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I'm starting to be convinced that Ackley is the only one you can salvage at this point. Smoak cannot recognize any pitch other than a fastball and the zone recognition/vision is atrocious. Montero has no pop in the bat at the major league level and the defense has somehow gotten worse.

It may be lose/lose at this point. They have to bring up Zunino, split his time with Shoppach and move Jaso to first. Offense will instantly get better. But you have to do that now instead of waiting longer and losing more games. Trouble with that is you don't wanna rush Zunino.
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No hope for Jesus? 
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This outlook is looking more grim than I thought.

No more Jaso, who do the M's have that can play 1st regularly at this point? I dont know much about Kendrys defensively. Morse?
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I'm going to the game tonight, please tell Felix to be gentle.
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Wont matter, he'll give up no runs and that's usually not good enough
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