[:: Official PHX Suns @ LA Lakers X-MAS DAY 2:15pm PT ABC ::]

Well, this game's over and done with. I expect the Fakers fans to make this thread about 23 more pages (with about 20 pages of photoshops and emoticons).

Up next we have the Clippers. If Amare doesn't decide to let Chris Kaman have a 40 / 20 night we should be able to beat them.
 
Amare is athletic freak, and Bynum is just a lengthy kid that's really just in his third year in college...not to mention he barely played hs ball. andhe's 20! If Bynum had Amare's athletic talent, his name would be Dwight Howard. But he doesn't.

You know he's still a kid because he looks to Kobe to acknowledge every good play he makes. And you can see it his eyes, he looks to Kobe like a BigBrother, and Kobe finally acknowledging him,...and "proud of him" in fact....almost apologetic in the interviews as of late...but we know his prideis too BIG to retract any statements.

As far as calling AB "talentless bag of crap", I think you're envious of the kid's development and, like Kobe, Zo...is too proud of hisbannerless franchise to acknowledge the fact that AB can man handle Amare 9 game out of 10, if he's not playing in foul trouble b/c of his size and shotblocking presence that can really disrupt and negate any explosiveness Amare has down on the block, with the exception of transition and fast breaks.

Amare is still better than Bynum on offense, but Bynum is a better defensive and team defensive player and rebounder than Stat by far.

Give the Kid a few more years, if he keeps working on his explosiveness and stamina, his ceiling point will be much higher than Stat. Almost Yao like, but moreathletic.
 
another great win against the Suns this year

this game was further proof that Phoenix will have a good regular season and no Finals appearance this year.
 
Originally Posted by Slow Motion G35

Amare is athletic freak, and Bynum is just a lengthy kid that's really just in his third year in college...not to mention he barely played hs ball. and he's 20! If Bynum had Amare's athletic talent, his name would be Dwight Howard. But he doesn't.

You know he's still a kid because he looks to Kobe to acknowledge every good play he makes. And you can see it his eyes, he looks to Kobe like a Big Brother, and Kobe finally acknowledging him,...and "proud of him" in fact....almost apologetic in the interviews as of late...but we know his pride is too BIG to retract any statements.

As far as calling AB "talentless bag of crap", I think you're envious of the kid's development and, like Kobe, Zo...is too proud of his bannerless franchise to acknowledge the fact that AB can man handle Amare 9 game out of 10, if he's not playing in foul trouble b/c of his size and shot blocking presence that can really disrupt and negate any explosiveness Amare has down on the block, with the exception of transition and fast breaks.

Amare is still better than Bynum on offense, but Bynum is a better defensive and team defensive player and rebounder than Stat by far.

Give the Kid a few more years, if he keeps working on his explosiveness and stamina, his ceiling point will be much higher than Stat. Almost Yao like, but more athletic.
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Bynum has worked at getting better. It's obvious. He's not a talented player by any means, but he has size.
Amare, on the other hand has incredible talent and athletic ability. I think he worked hard last year to prove all the people wrong that said he couldn'tcome back...but it seems that this year he's gotten lazy. He can play defense and rebound as well as any big man in the league, if he cares...but thisyear it doesn't seem that he does.
He's given up big games to Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Bynum...all guys that he should be dominating. But he hasn't brought the intensity that he hadlast year. It's obvious to anyone that watches the Suns on a consistant basis that the effort just isn't there.
 
D'Antoni is talentless. I was a fan of the Suns until the game vs. LA in November. D'Antoni helped with that. Aside from the whining-at-Phil incident(which you shouldn't be mad about, just because your team was), HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO COACH. He has a point guard that runs a team so effectively, itmakes it look like he knows how. However, if the extent of the 'coaching' that you do peaks at, "run, play fast, take the best shot available inthe first 10 seconds of the shot clock," you should not be qualified to coach an NBA team.

Of course, defense is still their biggest problem. However, D'Antoni's other bonehead mistakes (or as he might like to say, style), collectively, dojust as much harm to the team. One specific example is his late-game intentional fouling 'tactic' from today's game. He lets the Lakers run down15-20 seconds of the clock, down to about 26 seconds left in the game, without doing ANYTHING and the deficit 10 or 8. This is OK if he was surrendering thegame, although SOME may say it's a bit early. BUT NO. The next Lakers' possession, with less than 20 seconds left, he decides to foul, meaning heHASN'T given up. IDIOT. What's the point? It's too late at that point.

I do agree that the ABC crew was laying it on a bit thick with the Lakers, but it's ABC, so it's expected. Anything ABC/ESPN, they pick the storylinethat people want to hear (or that they want people to hear) and run with it. They have and always will nail in Lebron as the GOAT whenever they hit the air.It's mostly those idiots in the studio though (Wilbon's butt-kissing always sickens me), although Mark Jackson isn't exactly Marv Albert.

Anyway, the Lakers are within a game of the Suns in the pacific standings now, which is surprising. I don't think they'll win it in the end (or be the2nd seed, Bill Walton), but it won't be a division dominated by Phoenix as it has since 2004.

Merry Christmas.
 
Well Zo let me ask you this.....based off of this season alone, would you rather have Amare or KG?

I'm highly disappointed at his lack of passion for the game. The only time I saw him into it was after Bynum caught that lob on his head and he came backand dunked on Vlad

And I do agree with you on Bynum....he's not really talented but he worked his*%+% off to get to where he is. I'd take a player like that any day ofthe week.
 
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Originally Posted by Slow Motion G35

Amare is athletic freak, and Bynum is just a lengthy kid that's really just in his third year in college...not to mention he barely played hs ball. and he's 20! If Bynum had Amare's athletic talent, his name would be Dwight Howard. But he doesn't.

You know he's still a kid because he looks to Kobe to acknowledge every good play he makes. And you can see it his eyes, he looks to Kobe like a Big Brother, and Kobe finally acknowledging him,...and "proud of him" in fact....almost apologetic in the interviews as of late...but we know his pride is too BIG to retract any statements.

As far as calling AB "talentless bag of crap", I think you're envious of the kid's development and, like Kobe, Zo...is too proud of his bannerless franchise to acknowledge the fact that AB can man handle Amare 9 game out of 10, if he's not playing in foul trouble b/c of his size and shot blocking presence that can really disrupt and negate any explosiveness Amare has down on the block, with the exception of transition and fast breaks.

Amare is still better than Bynum on offense, but Bynum is a better defensive and team defensive player and rebounder than Stat by far.

Give the Kid a few more years, if he keeps working on his explosiveness and stamina, his ceiling point will be much higher than Stat. Almost Yao like, but more athletic.
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Bynum has worked at getting better. It's obvious. He's not a talented player by any means, but he has size.
Amare, on the other hand has incredible talent and athletic ability. I think he worked hard last year to prove all the people wrong that said he couldn't come back...but it seems that this year he's gotten lazy. He can play defense and rebound as well as any big man in the league, if he cares...but this year it doesn't seem that he does.
He's given up big games to Chris Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Bynum...all guys that he should be dominating. But he hasn't brought the intensity that he had last year. It's obvious to anyone that watches the Suns on a consistant basis that the effort just isn't there.
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Couldn't agree more
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.....Round 3 jan 17
 
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@ calling Bynum talentless
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@ thinking that all he has is size
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@ thinking that size is the only reason he's dropping double-doubles
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@ forgetting Manute, Gheorge, and Bradley, all of which were taller than Bynum, yet somehow Bynum is already showing that he will be much better thanthose sticks
(and I should have said this one earlier)
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@ YOU calling someone... ANYONE... a homer. That should never happen.
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At this point, it doesn't really matter who the losses are against because the Suns are playing so badly.

This game wasn't a breaking point but a good time to take stock. PHX seriously needs to ask itself if it really wants to win a championship. Commit or justplay out the season. Get some intensity, make a trade, look for a new coach, but don't keep playing this same old uninspired, going-thru-the-motions,lackluster brand of basketball.
 
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bynum is talentless zodogg, whats the basis?
He'll give you some bullcrap answer, but here's the truth: Bynum is a Laker.

That's the basis.
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If Bynum were a Sun, he would be the future big man of the NBA, with a more impressive skillset than Dwight Howard.

But he's not a Sun. Not only is he not a Sun, but he's a LAKER. That makes him talentless.

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But ABC broadcasters are homers?
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I happen to agree with the "talentless" label applied to Bynum....but not like dude has zero talent, but more so he's not as athletically giftedas an Amare, D Howard, Bosh, etc.

I'm putting him in that Ben Wallace, Bowen, Raja category because those guys worked damn hard to make themselves better...they can't get by off oftalent alone.
 
Originally Posted by SenorRoboto2k5

D'Antoni is talentless. I was a fan of the Suns until the game vs. LA in November. D'Antoni helped with that. Aside from the whining-at-Phil incident (which you shouldn't be mad about, just because your team was), HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO COACH. He has a point guard that runs a team so effectively, it makes it look like he knows how. However, if the extent of the 'coaching' that you do peaks at, "run, play fast, take the best shot available in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock," you should not be qualified to coach an NBA team.

Of course, defense is still their biggest problem. However, D'Antoni's other bonehead mistakes (or as he might like to say, style), collectively, do just as much harm to the team. One specific example is his late-game intentional fouling 'tactic' from today's game. He lets the Lakers run down 15-20 seconds of the clock, down to about 26 seconds left in the game, without doing ANYTHING and the deficit 10 or 8. This is OK if he was surrendering the game, although SOME may say it's a bit early. BUT NO. The next Lakers' possession, with less than 20 seconds left, he decides to foul, meaning he HASN'T given up. IDIOT. What's the point? It's too late at that point.

I do agree that the ABC crew was laying it on a bit thick with the Lakers, but it's ABC, so it's expected. Anything ABC/ESPN, they pick the storyline that people want to hear (or that they want people to hear) and run with it. They have and always will nail in Lebron as the GOAT whenever they hit the air. It's mostly those idiots in the studio though (Wilbon's butt-kissing always sickens me), although Mark Jackson isn't exactly Marv Albert.

Anyway, the Lakers are within a game of the Suns in the pacific standings now, which is surprising. I don't think they'll win it in the end (or be the 2nd seed, Bill Walton), but it won't be a division dominated by Phoenix as it has since 2004.

Merry Christmas.
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I also was yelling at the TV when we weren't fouling...I thought that we'd just conceded the game...but then we called a timeout!!??? I didn'tunderstand what was going on.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that D'Antoni is talentless and can't coach...but sometimes his in-game decision making isn't the best.
In the NBA there really isn't that much coaching that goes on...but what a coach does, is institute a system and a philosophy...which has been prettysuccessful for D'Antoni. The Suns are still among the top teams in the NBA. One or two games really doesn't change anything. I just want to see theteam play with more heart and passion then I've seen for most of this year.
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Well Zo let me ask you this.....based off of this season alone, would you rather have Amare or KG?

I'm highly disappointed at his lack of passion for the game. The only time I saw him into it was after Bynum caught that lob on his head and he came back and dunked on Vlad

And I do agree with you on Bynum....he's not really talented but he worked his*%+% off to get to where he is. I'd take a player like that any day of the week.
Based off this season, Garnett has played better...however, Amare's ceiling is much higher than Garnett. Getting rid of Amare would be gettingrid of any future the team may have. We really don't know anything right now. Sure, the Celtics are playing great ball...but it's only December 25. Wehave four more months until the playoffs - anything can happen.
Maybe this will be the wakeup call the Suns need...we're 19-9 - which is not a bad record by any means, but we haven't really defeated anyone reallygood other than the Spurs* and we have played this entire season so far like we're just on cruise control until the postseason.
I don't think the Suns are the type of team that can just turn it on in the playoffs. I think this team needs something to light a fire under theircollective$%+!. Maybe losing for a second time to an inferior Fakers team will be the motivation we need.
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I don't think he meant "talentless"...he probably like would like to scratch his statement. He's thinking Bynum is not as Gifted as otherplayers like Stat. Which is true...if Bynum caught the ball down in the paint and Amare and Matrix are double teaming him he can't get the shot off, infact he got his shot stuffed like he got lead feet. Just not physically imposing like dwight or shaq, but as his body matures and he continually works on hisexplosiveness, he will be that beast you don't want to challenge.
 
Based off this season, Garnett has played better...however, Amare's ceiling is much higher than Garnett. Getting rid of Amare would be getting rid of any future the team may have
I really feel like your team is built around Nash, and designed to win now while the window is still open.

I know Amare will be in this league long after Nash retires, but he doesn't strike me as the type of player to build a team around.
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Originally Posted by Slow Motion G35

I don't think he meant "talentless"...he probably like would like to scratch his statement. He's thinking Bynum is not as Gifted as other players like Stat. Which is true...if Bynum caught the ball down in the paint and Amare and Matrix are double teaming him he can't get the shot off, in fact he got his shot stuffed like he got lead feet. Just not physically imposing like dwight or shaq, but as his body matures and he continually works on his explosiveness, he will be that beast you don't want to challenge.
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He's an NBA player...so there's something there. Every NBA player (except Sasha Vujasuck - who is only in the NBA because he has comprimisingpictures of Jerry Buss) has some talent. Even the least talented player in the NBA (Roni Turiaf) has something to bring to the table.
Andrew Bynum is not a guy that's going to rely on his talent to make an NBA career. He could just as easily be a bum like Kwame Brown if he doesn'twork hard.

Guys like Amare & Dwight Howard have outstanding natural gifts that they can actually have decent NBA careers without working too hard...any work they putin just makes them a beast.
That's why I'm so dissapointed in Amare's performance this year...he's got all the talent in the world to be one of the best big men EVER inthe NBA, but it looks like right now he's just going through the motions.
 
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Merry Christmas Zo. Enjoy your Christmas Day Loss to your favorite player in the leauge.
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who is that you speak of? shooting guard #24? nba live 95 style.

dirty snake was on the money today...
 
NBAdotcom wrote:
Every NBA player (except Sasha Vujasuck - who is only in the NBA because he has comprimising pictures of Jerry Buss) has some talent. Even the least talented player in the NBA (Roni Turiaf) has something to bring to the table.
Andrew Bynum is not a guy that's going to rely on his talent to make an NBA career. He could just as easily be a bum like Kwame Brown if he doesn't work hard.
Sasha is talentless.
Turiaf is the least talented player in the league.
Kwame is a bum.
And Bynum is also talentless.

Again... what was that about the ABC broadcasters having a bias during the whole broadcast? Don't you just hate people who can't let go of theirbiases?

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And even with those 4 worthless, no talent, sorry excuses on our squad... we've BUSTED your heads one game, and beat you another game. The BEST you can doagainst us this year in the season series... is tie.

Our team of talentless dunces is 1 game behind your team of Greek gods.

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Ska, my dude, why u gotta crack me up like that.
You tell em' Ska. You tell em my dude.
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...i cant stop laughin....bynum? talentless?...gimme a break. If youwouldnt want a 20 year old as gifted as Bynum on your basketball team, then you must be insane.
 
^there's no point in posting that stuff ska, zodogg will just ignore it because he has no reply.

he's hypocritical. getting mad that ABC commentators were homers (i heard no bias, they praised both teams equally) and then coming in here saying bynumhas no talent when he just owned amare.
get off amare's nuts, shut up and take the loss.
 
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Sasha is talentless.
Turiaf is the least talented player in the league.
Kwame is a bum.
And Bynum is also talentless.

Again... what was that about the ABC broadcasters having a bias for the whole broadcast?

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And even with those 4 worthless, no talent, sorry excuses on our squad... we've BUSTED your heads one game, and beat you another game. The BEST you can do against us this year in the season series... is tie.

Our team of talentless dunces is 1 game behind your team of Greek gods.

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Well that's what happens when the vastly superior team plays unmotivated lazy basketball.
The Suns have looked like they really don't give a damn this entire season so far with the exception of maybe two games.
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Andrew Bynum is not a guy that's going to rely on his talent to make an NBA career.
Exactly....and I like the kid.

That's not really a dis to Andrew, just an honest observation
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