LeBron Haters Call To Arms! (The Haters Unification Thread)

[acbboyz84]

You sir completely missed my point.
Reread what I said. And then go argue with someone who is actually arguing.

My bad. I quoted the wrong dude.

 

[ssjjfar]

My bad. I quoted the wrong dude.

I see.

Carry on.

 

[sdotc38109]

Now with Mr. LeBron James, his career is on the upswing, and when he is done, people aren't going to talk about Kobe at all, as he will be, as he already is, an afterthought.

This was a great series, and LeBron[SIZE=4] rose to the occasion[/SIZE], when not many felt that he could.

Kobe Bryant was not missed for one minute. In fact, with the cohesive play exemplified by both teams, that one on three stuff that Kobe Bryant is a master of, may begin to be looked down upon by even the most elementary of fans..,outside of L.A of course.

To bad he couldn't rise to the occasion in Cleveland.

Any fan of the NBA should feel the same about Lebron. Any players who consider their self great but takes steps with teaming up with other elite all star players behind close doors to create a power house gets no credit from me.

He had a competitive team the last five season and lead the last 2 regular season before he left the Cavs.
He took the easy way out.

That's like taking a video game off default mode which may take you a month to beat it and putting it on easy mode and beating the game in couple of days thinking you did something. No, its null.

 

[acbboyz84]

one of Kobe many 40 points game in the playoff against prime Duncan Spurs

and



against the Kings.

West Conference playoffs (where Lakers faced their BY FAR the toughest competition):

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV
Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV

The NBA finals where Lakers faced a pathetic team that would be eliminated in second round of West conference playoffs:

Kobe ( 5g): 24.6 PTS (.501 TS%), 7.8 REB, 5.8 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.4 BLK, 3.6 TOV
Shaq ( 5g): 33.0 PTS (.575 TS%), 15.8 REB, 4.8 AST, 0.4 STL, 3.4 BLK, 4.0 TOV

Yes, Shaq DOMINATED the Finals against non-existent front court of 76'ers, and Kobe took a step back letting Shaq dominate them.

They give the Finals MVP award based on contribution in the Finals only, not throughout the playoffs, where Kobe was the obvious the MVP.


now go ahead and tell me that Shaq didn't need Kobe and Kobe didn't need Shaq. They were equal easily.

 

[ssjjfar]

You guys should ask yourself this

Would Lebron have won championships with Shaq on those Lakers teams?
Would Kobe have won championships with Mo Williams on those Cavs teams?

At end of the day we never can say for sure, Even if you could time travel the players and swap teams, the best you probably would conclude would be if they have equal results in each other shoes or not.

All these Player A vs Player B arguments are pointless and never go anywhere.

 

[ssjjfar]

Kobe took a step back letting Shaq dominate them.

...

If Kobe was on a team with MJ Magic Kareem and Bird, Kobe still wouldn't be taking a step back for NOBODY.



Agree that they both equally needed each other though.

 

[acbboyz84]

Don't forget Kobe had to played against perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Dough Christie, an old but still good Pippen, Steve Smith, Bonzie Well, Antonio Mcdaniel, Kerry Kittle, prime Jason Kidd, prime Richard Jefferson, Malik Rose, etc and more

While Shaq was being checked by inferior defenders like Todd MacCulough, Vlade Divac, Scott Pollard, Matt Gieger, Jason Collin, Rik Smith, old Mutumbo, Dale Davis, Sabonis, Daleth Shremp, Brian Scalebrine and Keith Van Horn

Also don't forget Kobe was asked by Phil not only to score and being a facilitator but also guard the other team best perimeter player.

 

[acbboyz84]

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If Kobe was on a team with MJ Magic Kareem and Bird, Kobe still wouldn't be taking a step back for NOBODY.



Agree that they both equally needed each other though.

No Kobe did took a step back because the truth is they didn't really need Kobe to be the a 30 points scorer against team like Philly, Nets, Pacers.

Kobe was asked to be the facilitator. aka beat the opponent defense and then dump it to Shaq for easy dunk, tear drops etc.

Against team like Spurs, Kings, Blazer though. Kobe had to score in order for Lakers to win.

 

[angels47]

kobe> Lebron. how many shots did lebron miss

 and lets not forget he wines to the ref for every call.

Please don't bring up missed shots when you're against another player in favor of Kobe.  

And let's not forget Kobe is also a huge complainer as well.  I'd say him and LeBron are on the same level in that aspect...neither are on Wade's level though.

 

[girlslovewaffles]

I love how people discredit Kobe by saying Shaq was the one who carried the team, yet they forget that Shaq had Penny on his team and they failed in Orlando.

 

[imlive365]

Didnt kobes agent pretty much say he wasnt playing for anybody accept the lakers while he was being drafted? so the HORNETS drafted him for trade bait or either were gonna force him to play. Kinda selfish if you ask me.

 

[ohmygosher]

Lebron has the most sensitive and insecure fans ever. Why does it bother you guys so much if someone hates him?

Dudes acting like he pays their cell phone bill or something.

 

[angels47]

He does pay my cell phone bill though.

 

[bman71]

one of Kobe many 40 points game in the playoff against prime Duncan Spurs

and

against the Kings.

West Conference playoffs (where Lakers faced their BY FAR the toughest competition):

Kobe (11g): 31.6 PTS (.577 TS%), 7.0 REB, 6.2 AST, 1.6 STL, 0.5 BLK, 3.0 TOV
Shaq (11g): 29.3 PTS (.558 TS%), 15.3 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.5 STL, 1.9 BLK, 3.4 TOV

The NBA finals where Lakers faced a pathetic team that would be eliminated in second round of West conference playoffs:

Kobe ( 5g): 24.6 PTS (.501 TS%), 7.8 REB, 5.8 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.4 BLK, 3.6 TOV
Shaq ( 5g): 33.0 PTS (.575 TS%), 15.8 REB, 4.8 AST, 0.4 STL, 3.4 BLK, 4.0 TOV

Yes, Shaq DOMINATED the Finals against non-existent front court of 76'ers, and Kobe took a step back letting Shaq dominate them.

They give the Finals MVP award based on contribution in the Finals only, not throughout the playoffs, where Kobe was the obvious the MVP.


now go ahead and tell me that Shaq didn't need Kobe and Kobe didn't need Shaq. They were equal easily.

i remember watching those games man . tha'ts when they dubbed him "the giant killer"...damn,  brings back memories, im gonna miss watching him play when hes gone

 

[mertonhanks]

@ Shaq and Kobe being equal during those threepeat seasons

 

[mister friendly]

:Rollin at Kobe and Shaq not being equals during those threepeat seasons.

 

[mister friendly]

I guess I forgot about all those clutch free throws, Shaq made in the clutch

 

[dman14]

I guess I forgot about all those clutch free throws, Shaq made in the clutch

as shaq would point out, "hit em when it mattered"

 

[Baby Face Nelson]

Don't forget

Kobe had to played against perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Dough Christie, an old but still good Pippen, Steve Smith, Bonzie Well, Antonio Mcdaniel, Kerry Kittle, prime Jason Kidd, prime Richard Jefferson, Malik Rose, etc and more

While Shaq was being checked by inferior defenders like Todd MacCulough, Vlade Divac, Scott Pollard, Matt Gieger, Jason Collin, Rik Smith, old Mutumbo, Dale Davis, Sabonis, Daleth Shremp, Brian Scalebrine and Keith Van Horn

Also don't forget Kobe was asked by Phil not only to score and being a facilitator but also guard the other team best perimeter player.

Fam your just naming players and acting like all of them were all defensive team players. The only people on your list that could check Kobe at times were Christie, Bowen, and Patterson that you left out. Bell wasn't checking him until Shaq left.

Yeah and Shaq was clearly more dominating than the likes of Sabonis and Vlade but the way they defended him (flopping) caused him to be in foul trouble most of the game. An old Mutombo?? He was in the league 10 years and was the DPOY. Basketball is not only a perimeter game, the interior has to be defended and who do you think did that, along with scoring?

So does the Lakers 3 peat get discredited all of a sudden because of "lack of competition"? It's not a given that the Kings, Mavs, or Spurs would of won in that spot. Those Eastern teams could of matched better against the West. All we know is that the Lakers played whoever was in front of them and won. In 01 they were 16-1 in the playoffs so I guess the west lacked competition entirely because Philly was the only victor.

Lastly if Finals numbers don't matter if Kobe did all the heavy lifting in the playoffs what happened in 04? He was great during the Western playoffs but was a non factor against the Pistons. Chauncey, Rip, and Tayshaun should of been BBQ chicken for the best player on the team, or does he get bailed out for his Colorado incident??

 

[cedric ceballos]

im sorry but shaq and kobe weren't equals during those seasons.     2000-02.       anything beyond that where shaq was hurt and out of shape and unmotivated i can see but 2000 was about 80% shaq 20% kobe   while 01 and 02 were about 60-65% shaq and 35-40% kobe.

and lmao at comparing the 2000 pacers to the 2001 76ers and 02 nets.    the 2000 pacers were a legit contender and were going against a laker team that hadn't gotten over the hump yet.  the lakers won that series in 6, but having remembered watching that series, that was a closer series then people give indiana credit for. people forget an almost similar pacers team pushed the michael jordan led bulls to the limit just 2 years prior.   had indiana played portland in 2000, im confident they would've beat that blazers team.

 

[law3001]

im sorry but shaq and kobe weren't equals during those seasons.     2000-02.       anything beyond that where shaq was hurt and out of shape and unmotivated i can see but 2000 was about 80% shaq 20% kobe   while 01 and 02 were about 60-65% shaq and 35-40% kobe.

and lmao at comparing the 2000 pacers to the 2001 76ers and 02 nets.    the 2000 pacers were a legit contender and were going against a laker team that hadn't gotten over the hump yet.  the lakers won that series in 6, but having remembered watching that series, that was a closer series then people give indiana credit for. people forget an almost similar pacers team pushed the michael jordan led bulls to the limit just 2 years prior.   had indiana played portland in 2000, im confident they would've beat that blazers team.

i told people this for years this was their comp before they played Detriot. They had rebounding, defense, clutch play from Miller, Rose, ******g Austin Croshere had the series of his life and my main man Mark Jackson.

 

[mertonhanks]

Unfortunately there are a lot of 90s born kids in here.

Don't forget Kobe had to played against perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Dough Christie, an old but still good Pippen, Steve Smith, Bonzie Well, Antonio Mcdaniel, Kerry Kittle, prime Jason Kidd, prime Richard Jefferson, Malik Rose, etc and more

While Shaq was being checked by inferior defenders like Todd MacCulough, Vlade Divac, Scott Pollard, Matt Gieger, Jason Collin, Rik Smith, old Mutumbo, Dale Davis, Sabonis, Daleth Shremp, Brian Scalebrine and Keith Van Horn

Also don't forget Kobe was asked by Phil not only to score and being a facilitator but also guard the other team best perimeter player.

LOL. You call others "90's born kids" but dont even know the names of half the players you listed. It's Detlef Schrempf. Rik Smits. You sure you arent a "90's born kid"? Daleth Shremp

 

[ssjjfar]

@ Shaq and Kobe being equal during those threepeat seasons

Not equal in terms of players or what they did, but equally needing each other.

Kobe wasn't winning those rings without Shaq, and same team.
Shaq wasn't winning those rings without Kobe, and same team.

 

[iamjusayn]

Didnt kobes agent pretty much say he wasnt playing for anybody accept the lakers while he was being drafted? so the HORNETS drafted him for trade bait or either were gonna force him to play. Kinda selfish if you ask me.

I have been saying this. Some people have selective memory though and a lot in here were too young too remember all that.

 

[ssjjfar]

Didnt kobes agent pretty much say he wasnt playing for anybody accept the lakers while he was being drafted? so the HORNETS drafted him for trade bait or either were gonna force him to play. Kinda selfish if you ask me.

Eli did pretty much same thing.

If he and Kobe both didn't win championships, people would be bringing that up constantly. But with both of them they prevailed.