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Any chance they make those Cliftons in all black? I might be more inclined to buy a pair in all black but then again it's probably going to look like some geriatric shoes. :lol:
 
Former Nike Endurance Athlete Jason Lester (I believe he was the first to wear Flyknits during the Journey for a Better World campaign)
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Is it a relatively new or just some obscure company? I've only heard of them maybe less than a year ago.
 
ILLustRAYt said:
Based on SR's ratings, the Vom10 faired the best at 91%.

Lunar X Forefoot and Heel Zoom = WIN.
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There is some conflicting info out there, but I believe I found on nikebiz that both the Vomero and Odyssey have lunar and BOTH heel/forefoot zoom. Odyssey adds cushlon too, plus the stability feature.

RFX45 said:
Is it a relatively new or just some obscure company? I've only heard of them maybe less than a year ago.
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I think 2010. They started off with some really ridiculous designs, but besides the sketchers look, they're really getting better.
 
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Click through the Odyssey and Vomero pics for the cushioning diagram: http://news.nike.com/news/designed-for-faster-nike-zoom-air
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-Very informational, trying to decide between Odyssey and Vomero 10's. What's the consensus here?
-Lunar as the only cushioning in a shoe is a no go for me. Bottoming out and sore joints, don't see how some do it for any activities (basketball/running) never mind long distance running.
 
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nismot said:
There is some conflicting info out there, but I believe I found on nikebiz that both the Vomero and Odyssey have lunar and BOTH heel/forefoot zoom. Odyssey adds cushlon too, plus the stability feature.
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Both are very similar. Essentially, I see the Odyssey as a Vomero with Stability.
 
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I run in LunarTempos, and love them.  Stability without the weight - the outsole is wide enough that my foot feels like it settles into the middle nicely, unlike the Flyknit Lunar 2s which felt like the bottom was the exact width of my foot and felt a little wobbly.

I think Ray was talking about combining Lunar with both Zoom pods.  I think previous Vomeros had Cushlon between the pods, and now it's Lunar.  I have a pair of 10s for casual wear, but haven't run in them.  When they get discounted enough, I'll grab a pair to run in.

Very curious about the Odyssey.
 
lynchpin33 said:
-Very informational, trying to decide between Odyssey and Vomero 10's. What's the consensus here?
-Lunar as the only cushioning in a shoe is a no go for me. Bottoming out and sore joints, don't see how some do it for any activities (basketball/running) never mind long distance running.
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I thought the vomero's were neutral shoes? The odyssey's are stability. I say pick whichever type you are more used to. But it sounds like you want something with great cushioning, which I think the odyssey's have. I haven't tried the vomero's, so I can't compare them.
 
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KeVeNMaYnE said:
I thought the vomero's were neutral shoes? The odyssey's are stability. I say pick whichever type you are more used to. But it sounds like you want something with great cushioning, which I think the odyssey's have. I haven't tried the vomero's, so I can't compare them.
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How do they fit? Is the Cliftons 2s better and whats wrong with the insole?

Sorry for all the inquiries but you definitely got me curious now.
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Clifton 1s have a narrow toebox. I went with my true size, and they fit fine for me since I already have pretty narrow feet. The narrowness of the toebox becomes unnoticeable after wearing them around a few times. However, if you have a wide foot, I think going +1/2 up will provide you with a better fit. Regarding the C2s, I haven't tried them yet, but they have the same sole still, so the differences don't seem that drastic. Hoka has addressed the toebox issue and added a padded tongue. Despite the improvements in the 2s, people seem to oddly favor the originals...

For me, the original insoles slipped around too much, so I just swapped them out for the slightly thicker Ortholites from my Free Flyknits.

No problem. When it comes to running gear, I would say that I'm pretty "brand loyal" to Nike mainly because of Clearance Store pricing. HOWEVER, once in a blue moon, there's a new technology or a new shoe that intrigues me (i.e. Hoka / Ultra Boost) based on several reviews and research...


 
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Sounds good, I have a wide feet so I'll size up half.

I guess it's one of the reason I love the Pegasus line, they usually come wide and if that is still too narrow, they also have extra wide option. :lol:
 
After an almost 7-year hiatus, I'm going to try out the structures again. I was able to run my first marathon in the 10s, but after the 11s didn't work out, I ended up on a Lunar kick until I found Hoka. But even with my Hokas, I seem to really dig into that forefoot, and Lunar always end up bottoming out, and my first Hokas actually started getting too much of a heel-forefoot drop. Still too early for a verdict on my Cliftons, but I'm hoping the Zoom on these Structures holds up to my dumb feet. First run tomorrow!
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cosign on the hoka! They look like sketchers, but they sure are comfortable. Put in about 50 miles in my pair and so far so good. 
 
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After an almost 7-year hiatus, I'm going to try out the structures again. I was able to run my first marathon in the 10s, but after the 11s didn't work out, I ended up on a Lunar kick until I found Hoka. But even with my Hokas, I seem to really dig into that forefoot, and Lunar always end up bottoming out, and my first Hokas actually started getting too much of a heel-forefoot drop. Still too early for a verdict on my Cliftons, but I'm hoping the Zoom on these Structures holds up to my dumb feet. First run tomorrow!
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Had my hopes up, but my right foot really doesn't like these. Too much stability. I've been told I need stability shoes for my flat feet, and usually I can't run too far in neutral shoes without other problems popping up. But having my foot hurt like it did during my 5-miler this morning sure makes me want my lunarglide2s again!

Has anyone tried both the structures AND the odysseys? If those don't work, I think I just might test out vomeros.
 
What do you guys think of the upcoming Nike Free RN Distance that launched today?

It looks very interesting, it has the flexibility of the free sole and comfort of the lunarlon and I do like that old lunar midsole style, a lot!

“This shoe is for those who want natural motion that goes the distance,” says Chuck Gatchell, VP Run Natural at Nike. “It’s for the person who runs in the 5.0, but wants to have the confidence and cushioning to go longer. It also should bring in those who are ‘naturally curious’ and serve as a gateway shoe to the Free line.”
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Inside, however, is a core of firmer, bouncier Lunarlon foam, which runners know from Nike’s Lunar running collection. The flex hexagons on this model are larger than other Frees and arranged to provide more lateral stability. Plus, the two layers of foam put you farther off the ground and more protected than ever before in a Free. The resulting shoe Gatchell describes as, “somewhat north of the 5.0, but south of more traditional running shoes.”

What makes this shoe still a Free is that it incorporates many of the principles that define “natural” at Nike. These include:

a heel-toe drop of 8mm or less
no heel counter
a simple, unstructured upper
flexibility and range of motion to allow full foot action

“The foot is in control in these shoes,” says Gatchell. “You don’t have to be minimal to be free. It’s about natural, not minimal.”

Initial wear-testers report that the Free RN Distance delivers on the comfortable, moccasin-like feel of other models in the line, with a cushy, protected ride that was appreciated most on easy runs of any distance.
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Had my hopes up, but my right foot really doesn't like these. Too much stability. I've been told I need stability shoes for my flat feet, and usually I can't run too far in neutral shoes without other problems popping up. But having my foot hurt like it did during my 5-miler this morning sure makes me want my lunarglide2s again!

Has anyone tried both the structures AND the odysseys? If those don't work, I think I just might test out vomeros.
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I know how it feels. The reason I haven't ran in my Structure 18s yet. Just from trying them on I felt a slight discomfort under my right arch. I know for me sometimes my plantar fasciitis shows its ugly face. It's not often but whenever I'm on my feet a lot. Since then I've tried them on and no discomfort but that support piece is thick/bulky feeling under my arch. The one thing I don't want is triggering the PF by the thick midsole causing a hot spot while running.

I never really had any real problems running in neutral shoes. Just the soreness of my calves. Even that was taken care of by me massaging my leg muscles with a noodle lol. I remember reading through countless comments on sole review about running stores referring folks to a specific runner and it pain them so bad they went back to a neutral shoe. Like he said whatever shoe has the perfect combination of comfort and cushion may suit you better than a bulky stability shoe. TRUTH....
 
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I never really had any real problems running in neutral shoes. Just the soreness of my calves. Even that was taken care of by me massaging my leg muscles with a noodle lol. I remember reading through countless comments on sole review about running stores referring folks to a specific runner and it pain them so bad they went back to a neutral shoe. Like he said whatever shoe has the perfect combination of comfort and cushion may suit you better than a bulky stability shoe. TRUTH....
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Thanks. I definitely like cushioned forefoot, but with my old hokas, they were so cushioned without stability that I'd start crushing the medial side on longer runs, and that led to sore muscles on the inside of my lower right leg, whatever that's called. But any of the lunarglides after v2 were too stable on the medial side. Lg2s just seemed to have the perfect balance of stability and didn't bottom out like other lunars have. I still have one pair of new Lg2s waiting (I think it's my 7th pair!), but I've gotten bored with them. I was looking forward to returning to Zoom, but I guess Structures may not be the answer for me. A few more runs just in case they break in somehow, or else it's off to ebay with them... I should probably try rolling my legs more often - my wife just got one of those rollers anyway.
 
Definitely try rolling your legs before and after each run. Do this just as a way elimate what's causing the soreness. One thing I'm trying nor to be is bias to one brand these days. Like Illy said I've ventured out a little to sample other cushioning platforms and different technology in other brands. Since I've been injured for the last 4 months I haven't fluidly ran in any other my new runners. So I'm eager to try out these few pair of energy boost. I've been running in the Saucony Triumph ISO 11s. Great shoe plenty of toe box and super comfy. The lady at the run store told me to stay away from my Kinvara 5s because of the low heel to toe drop. However if you need a stability shoe with a good blend of cushioning and stability id try the Adidas (Boost) Supernova Sequence 7. Highly recommended and good reviews. They're super cheap on ebay right now....
 
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