Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained (a Spaghetti Western) scheduled for release Christmas 2012

Watched it early this morning for a second time (couldn't fall back asleep), and it's safe to say it's easily my favorite movie I've seen in years. And I honestly think it's the best of this year.
 
movie hit the interwebz...

will check it out later today and revisit this thread.
 
Movie was ok, just would've like to see Django help out the slaves. Hell, throw them a key to unshackle themselves or something damn :lol:
 
Dont know if its been mentioned in here yet. Ive kinda been lurking on and off with your guys opinions so it may have been posted already. But apparently a 5 hour long directors cut may be released...

http://www.vulture.com/2013/01/what-was-cut-from-django-unchained.html?mid=r_vulture

Cant wait to see this if it does come out.

This part caught me eye..
Zoe Bell
The most mysterious character in the film has to be the female tracker played by Death Proof's Bell, who has her face covered throughout the movie; she never speaks, but gets a long, slow close-up right before she dies. And before that there is a scene in which she meaningfully looks into a stereopticon at what seems to imply that she and Django knew each other as kids. The script offers no clue, but Goggins confirmed to Indiewire that there was something cut out of that part, saying, “Yeah, you don’t really get anything from her character but she’s lethal" but declining to elaborate.
They showed her right before the dog scene I believe...Then when Django comes back she's in the bar or whatever looking at pictures through thestereopticon. I was wondering if there was supposed to be some sort of significance to her when they zoomed up on her face. Both times we see her she had that look in her eyes.
nice!
 
lol this turned into a tarantino vs spike lee thread

who effin cares?

movie was good, i enjoyed it. I actually felt bad for the slave owners who kept dying lol....cant they just go through with the transaction of hilda without all the violence?

Why did jamie foxx kill that white chick? She didn't do anything...she was a slave owner (im guessing), but she was nice to them. o well...
 
lol this turned into a tarantino vs spike lee thread

who effin cares?

movie was good, i enjoyed it. I actually felt bad for the slave owners who kept dying lol....cant they just go through with the transaction of hilda without all the violence?

Why did jamie foxx kill that white chick? She didn't do anything...she was a slave owner (im guessing), but she was nice to them. o well...
you mandingo fightin ************!
j/p 
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lol this turned into a tarantino vs spike lee thread
who effin cares?

movie was good, i enjoyed it. I actually felt bad for the slave owners who kept dying lol....cant they just go through with the transaction of hilda without all the violence?
Why did jamie foxx kill that white chick? She didn't do anything...she was a slave owner (im guessing), but she was nice to them. o well...

She was a slave owner, the very act of owning slaves made her just as deserving as the other people who got blown away.


And I didn't rly get the impression she was "nice" to them. She knew her brother was heartless to the slaves and she seemed ok with it.
 
lol this turned into a tarantino vs spike lee thread

who effin cares?

movie was good, i enjoyed it. I actually felt bad for the slave owners who kept dying lol....cant they just go through with the transaction of hilda without all the violence?

Why did jamie foxx kill that white chick? She didn't do anything...she was a slave owner (im guessing), but she was nice to them. o well...
Son, she was responsible for getting his wife all cleaned up and dressed up to be smashed by any man who pleases..Yea....
 

[h1]Samuel L. Jackson’s Brilliant Answer To The Question That Never Was[/h1] January 4, 2013 by Kirsten West Savali

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The word ****** has power.

It throbs with so much hatred and history, that modern society subdues it with quotation marks, abbreviates it in a pathetic attempt to dilute it’s meaning or utters the completely ridiculous “n-word” just to make it palatable for the masses.

Conservative politicians will vilify poor, black Americans as welfare scavengers, but they won’t call them ******* — at least not in public.

We have a Prison Industrial Complex that feeds on Black bodies and is sustained by their labor, but the word ****** is off-limits.

We are a nation that allows young, black boys to be murdered in cold blood by protecting such laws such as ‘Stand Your Ground,’ but the word ****** manages to remain taboo.

It is the “Word That Must Not Be Said,” and when Samuel L. Jackson sat down with film critic, Jake Hamilton, to discuss its usage in Quentin Tarantino’s Django Unchained, it quickly became evident that it holds just as much power over white people as it does over the black descendants of slaves who involuntarily clinch when the word sizzles like a hot poker over their consciousness.

Hamilton had a “great” question that he wanted to ask Jackson, but the legendary actor, who plays a Sambo prototype in the film, refused to answer the question unless the stunned Hamilton actually said ****** and not the “n-word,” immediately creating a moment about so much more than a film.

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HAMILTON: “There’s been a lot of controversy surrounding the usage of, uh, the n-word, in this movie.”

JACKSON: “No? Nobody? None … the word would be…?”

HAMILTON: “I don’t want to say it.”

JACKSON: “Why not?”

HAMILTON: “I don’t like to say it.”

JACKSON: “Have you ever said it?’

HAMILTON: “No, sir.”

JACKSON: “Try it.”

HAMILTON: “I don’t like to say it.”

JACKSON: “TRY IT!”

HAMILTON: “Really, seriously…”

JACKSON: “We’re not going to have this conversation unless you say it.”

[Uncomfortable pause as Hamilton weighs the risk of saying the N-word]

JACKSON: “You want to move on to another question?”

HAMILTON: “OK, awesome!”

[When Jackson laughs at his nervousness, Hamilton reiterates that he doesn't like saying it -- even though he claims to have never said it before.]

HAMILTON: “I don’t like… I don’t want to say it.”

JACKSON: “Oh, come on!”

HAMILTON: “Will you say it?”

JACKSON: “No, **** no. That’s not the same thing.”

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See entire video below [Samuel L. Jackson segment begins at 13:55]:





Hamilton’s nervousness is striking. In those few minutes, a black man is holding a white man hostage, using his own innate racial insecurities and guilt to back him into a corner and lose control of the interview.

Hamilton claims to not “like” saying the word, but when Jackson asks him has he ever said it, he says “No sir” in a way that calls his honesty into question. It is beyond difficult to imagine that this young man, a Tarantino fan since he was 8-years-old, has never once uttered the word. It would be the same as asking some white, suburbanite kid who is Lil Wayne’s biggest fan, has he ever said the word *****.

Of course he has — and so has Hamilton.

While he is being applauded for sticking to his principles and not saying the word, I see things a bit differently. He didn’t not say it because of principle, he calculated Jackson’s sincerity before he made a false move that would draw his ire. He looked around, silently asking permission, he even asked him to say it with him, as if all he needed was reassurance that it was acceptable.

His principles did not stop him from saying the word ******, society did — and that is what Sam Jackson exposed. This nation’s hypocrisy in banning a word, while not banning the hate that produced it.

Quentin Tarantino’s gratuitous use of violence and racist language in his art gives hipster, white America a “pass,” if only for a few hours, to be as ugly and profane as the word ******.

I have reached out to Hamilton several times to find out what exactly was this “great” question that he had to ask, but he has not responded. Being the thoughtful, intelligent man who I’ve known him to be in other interviews, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that it was probably an amazing question, one that would have provided clarity and perspective into Tarantino’s twisted fantasies that are manifested on-screen.

But it wasn’t coming from an authentic place.

As Jackson said, “It wasn’t that great of a question if you can’t say the word.” By containing the word ******, it gives America permission to ignore the hate that still exists in this country. Yes, it is a violent word for a violent movie, but it is also a trigger that has the potential to murder a long festering hate that would otherwise continue to poison race relations from the inside out.

Saying the “n-word” when speaking candidly about race in America is a cop-out. It happened. Slavery happened. Jim Crow happened. White privilege still exists and erasing the word ****** won’t make that go away. That tug-of-war between Jackson and Hamilton spoke volumes on society’s willingness, in fact, its need to believe that entertainment is an alternate existence where anything goes, instead of an extension or reflection of reality. By Jackson pushing Hamilton to break through society’s self-imposed rule — and Hamilton’s subsequent struggle with propriety — he was answering the question “Why use the word so much in the movie?”

Because it hurts, and it’s uncomfortable, and it’s painful, and it’s real, and it has the power to silence a grown man for fear that he will be thought racist if he says the most dreaded two syllables in America — even if only to discuss a film. And that makes it necessary.

If the word ****** is woven so tightly throughout Django Unchained for historical authenticity, then it should be equally relevant in post-dialogue as the film is deconstructed.

And if we are ever to diminish the stranglehold that the word has over this nation’s psyche, then Jackson’s order to Hamilton is the first step to making that happen.

Say it.


Nice breakdown. :smokin Even if I'm kinda ehhh with the conclusion he came to.

But I remember hearing once...don't say that doesn't work or that idea sucks unless you've got a better one.

The problem with the word is, once you get there, the conversation ends or becomes something less.
 
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wait were was zoe bell? Dog scene?
in the part where they are releasing the dogs on D'artanian

I think she has a red mask on her face, she's carrying an axe

and then when Django comes back she's the one looking into the viewmaster, you see them focus in on a her eyes
 
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^ I gotta rewatch that scene again. I found this online:

That leaves some unexplained characters, like that of the beautiful lady outlaw whose face is half-covered throughout the film. (The idea there, says Davis, is that the character would drop the bandana to reveal an absent jaw.)
 
Something was definitely off about SLJ's character and his relationship with Leo. I'm guessing he was one of the prizefighters who survived years ago and was welcomed into the house.

The way he spoke so candidly in front of the guests, the fake limp, the complete change in manner and voice when he & Leo were alone, his rule over the other slaves, and even his pull over the other white workers on the plantation.
 
lol this turned into a tarantino vs spike lee thread

who effin cares?

movie was good, i enjoyed it. I actually felt bad for the slave owners who kept dying lol....cant they just go through with the transaction of hilda without all the violence?

Why did jamie foxx kill that white chick? She didn't do anything...she was a slave owner (im guessing), but she was nice to them. o well...
Son, she was responsible for getting his wife all cleaned up and dressed up to be smashed by any man who pleases..Yea....
That is messed up, but i thought she was just following her brother's orders.
Something was definitely off about SLJ's character and his relationship with Leo. I'm guessing he was one of the prizefighters who survived years ago and was welcomed into the house.

The way he spoke so candidly in front of the guests, the fake limp, the complete change in manner and voice when he & Leo were alone, his rule over the other slaves, and even his pull over the other white workers on the plantation.
Wasnt Samuel L Jackson a slave for like 3 generations in the family. He served Leo's grandfather I think. I thought his performance was hilarious and I couldn't take his character seriously. Jamie Fox and his white partner and Leo were really good tho
 
Wasnt Samuel L Jackson a slave for like 3 generations in the family. He served Leo's grandfather I think. I thought his performance was hilarious and I couldn't take his character seriously. Jamie Fox and his white partner and Leo were really good tho

Yeah, and he definitely earned his keep. I just thought the way he acted in general, especially the way he threw down his cane and was ready to throwdown at the end, he was definitely bout that life.
 
Sam Jackson killed his role.
I was more than satisfied with his fate though.
Disliked the character. Alot.
 
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