Originally Posted by Cragmatic
Kanye's classics - College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, 808's, MBDTF
Jay - Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, Blueprint, American Gangster.
Jay's batting average is a LOT lower than Kanye's.
Word? So you're saying that 90% of Kanye's catalog are classics?
808's is a classic? Since when? What replay value does that album have? What replay value does MBDTF have? most of everyone I know haven't listened to that album in damn near over a year. Both of those albums were hot, but weren't classics for damn sure.
In order for something to be a classic, it has to stand the test of time. 808's for damn sure hasn't... And I liked that album...
Kanye probably has one maybe two true classic albums. And those are College Dropout and Graduation...
Whens the last time you heard anything from LR (My favorite out of all of his album outside of College dropout), 808's, etc etc on the radio? They still play Through the Wire, Flashing Lights, and SOMETIMES Gold digger on the radio when they stop playing the new top hip hop songs on the radio around here. And I live in a major city area. So it ain't like my radio station is some small station.
Originally Posted by JetBL1223
Kanye's catalog > Jay's
Every solo ye' album is considered a classic..
Since when? And by who? Complex Magazine? Hypebeast.com?
According to MTV.. Reasonable doubt is one of the top 10 hip hop albums of ALL TIME. But Kanye's body of work is better right?
But lets not go there. We don't want to argue about how one guy is hailed the G.O.A.T but his former understudy has a greater body of work than him.
Because that makes sense....
Originally Posted by D StaXX
A classic in my opinion is a body of work that will ALWAYS last the test of time.
I can pop in Reasonable Doubt right now and completely listen to it all the way through.
A classic album will remind you why we love hip-hop, embodying every aspect that we look for.
Lyrics, production, a story or message..
808s isn't that and as it was released as a hip-hop album, I can't call it a classic.
It did pushed the boundaries of hip-hop, and I'll give Kanye that but I don't know one person who still listens or constantly plays 808.
Kendrick's GKMC is the last hip-hip album that I would consider a classic and it hasn't passed the test of time yet.
10 years from now, I can see myself listening to that album. I can see a debate for MBDTF though.
Thank you. Someone gets it.
Kanye's albums have HUGE initial impact. Then after father time comes, what happens? Wheres the longevity in his body of work? Because like some of you said, he has fewer albums than Jay...
But more of Jays albums have stood the test of time.
Listen man, I'm a Kanye fan. A HUGE Kanye fan. But I've listened to SO MUCH of this guys music that I just know from a fan standpoint, the dude has fallen off imo in comparison to his former self. Does he release garbage music? Outside of this album? No. Every album up until now has been amazing to me. Classics? No. In my eyes the dude has 2 true classic albums.
Just cause I feel like this album is trash, that doesn't mean that the dude is trash. He;s one of my favorite artists, and I expected much more out of him. An empty case with red tape? C'mon...
It feels like Kanye is FORCING his music right now man. The same way how Jay was putting out Kingdom Come and EVERYONE thrashed it. This is Kanye's Kingdom Come.
Only difference is, I actually liked KC...
When you have to stress and yell the fact that you're "pushing boundaries" and "doing something for art" or "changing the game", I can't take you serious. Kanye didn't have to force feed me once upon a time. He just put out some dope *** music and it was all natural.
You can't force me to believe that you are pushing artistic boundaries. You have to actually push them.
The last time Kanye pushed artistic boundaries was when he had a full orchestra in the studio. That was 2005... Or when he first initially got in the studio with Daft Punk in 2007...
What has he done on this album thats been any different than he has done before? Because he linked back up with Daft Punk? Because he used Auto Tune, again?
This album is everything he has done before, but not as good as he did it the first time.
I'm sorry, but that just doesn't cut it for me. As a fan, I'm going to tell it straight like it is, how I feel it. And I'm not feeling it.
But I know my reaction to this album isn't "Its ok, I know he'll drop something great next time around". Thats why he can do all this crazy **** right now. Cause he knows his fans will eat that **** up if he packages it with a movie, a sneaker release and a concert with crazy lights and ****. Kanye has to woo you with extra **** to create a platform for his music. The music should be great without all the extra. I shouldn't have to go see this album performed live for it to be a good album to me...
You know why Jay has a stronger stage presence than Kanye? Because his music holds itself up. Kanye's albums USED to do that. I don't know what the hell happened this time around.
And that ladies and gentlemen, is my long *** mutha-******g post