I'll be the one.
This isn't just the Yeezus thread.
It's the Kanye thread.
If someone has something to say about Kanye or his work, whether it be good or bad, where else are they supposed to do it?
The thing is people are saying "I don't like the way this sounds, because it isn't good" as opposed to just leaving it at I don't like the way it sounds.
People LOVE Bound 2 but then are calling a song like On Sight a mess, but why? Objectively, On Sight is a Daft Punk produced song that sounds like the same Daft Punk **** from the early 2000s that people were calling the future of sound. EVERYONE who is a Daft Punk fan would have killed to have On Sight on Random Access Memories, but because it's a Kanye song all of a sudden it's terrible. His lyrics didn't ruin that song, people just don't like that hard industrial sound.
And that's fine. That's their right. I take issue with some of the posters in here who try to pretend like that isn't just their opinion as opposed to some objective assessment of the production credit. Then when they're called out on it they say things like "obviously it's just my opinion" but then mock dudes who disagree.
People who want soul samples and smooth listening type **** aren't going to like Yeezus very much, that's a given. People who like industrial acid techno house type ****, who would go to an old Portishead, Daft Punk or a Hudson Mohawke or Travi$ Scott show and vibe out will love it -- because those are the musical entities he was trying to channel when he made this.
Them discrediting it is saying things like "this has no emotion on it" "he didn't have one good verse, he's not rapping" "the production is weak." I mean, really?
I agree with saying "sonically, aurally, production wise" and that it's all the same. Some times I get carried away with the adjectives.
GatorBelt I totally agree that the album is completely misogynistic. I think that's the point -- it's supposed to be dude on a bender the weekend before he marries the side chick he knocked up -- but I get why a lot of people don't care for it. It's abrasive and harsh. You're basically listening to him flip off the world. It's the same reason a lot of people couldn't sit through NIN's "The Downward Spiral". But I don't think that takes away from what he IS saying. He's saying some ****. It might just not be what you want to sit down and listen to for 40 minutes.
I'll say one last thing: I think people have certain expectations and wants from their musicians. I expect a certain sound and message from my favorite artists and when they dont give me that it's kind of jarring, and I can choose to accept it or reject it and chop the album up as a loss for him (emphasis on: in my eyes/ear). And I think that's why people are having trouble with this album (it's the same people that didn't like MBDTF, WTT, and CS mostly.) They heard Yeezus was dropping and was hoping Kanye would give us soulful smooth listening **** with a message. Instead we got "soulful" loud banging **** with a different kind of message. Essentially a "**** you". And they feel disappointed.
Yeah Daft Punk did a lot of the original production on those tracks, but Kanye, Mike Dean and Hudson Mohawke added a lot to them also.
Also to help people further understand all the "There were liek 15 writers/producers credited per song" issues that were going around:
The song “Guilt Trip,” featuring Kid Cudi, includes writing credits for Keith Elam, Chris Martin, Kelvin Hansford, Dupre Kelly, Al-Terik Wardrick, and Marlon Williams. Further down, it is explained that the song “contains interpolations” of a song called “Chief Rocka,” which was written by the above-listed names.
“Chief Rocka” is a classic single by New Jersey hip-hop group Lords of the Underground that came out in 1993. The “interpolation” referred to in the album credits appears to be a line on West’s first verse, “the one Chief Rocka, number one Chief Rocka,” which is the hook of the original song. That explains why Hansford, Kelly, Wardrick, and Williams are credited; Hansford, also known as K-Def, produced “Chief Rocka,” while Kelly, Wardrick, and Williams are the three members of Lords of the Underground (DoItAll, Mr. Funk, and DJ Lord Jazz).
But what about Elam and Martin? Hip-hop fans know them better as Guru and DJ Premier, respectively. Together Guru and Premier formed the legendary hip-hop group Gang Starr. And that’s where things get confusing in the liner notes. Gang Starr did not make an appearance on “Chief Rocka.” Premier did not produce the beat; K-Def did. Meanwhile, the original single only credits Wardrick, Kelly, Hansford, and Williams with writing the song.
Chances are likely that this was just an oversight on the part of the person putting together the liner notes. He or she might have assumed that “Chief Rocka” was a Gang Starr song. And this is why you don’t make assumptions in the Internet era.
If Kanye sampled a song, interpolated one, quoted a rapper, etc. he credited them in the liner notes. To the point where he was even giving credit to artists who didnt actually do anything.
And that's why a large segment of people don't like RAMs.
Their other albums then...