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post #6181 of 19853
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We went from "one of the best" to Top 20 now??  If someone were to say to you "one of the best" wouldn't that mean or suggest Top 3  or Top 5 at least, as in debatable. 


Not even in order, and I threw in some more just for good measure...........

1.  Nas

2.  Jay Z

3.  Outkast

4.  Tupac

5.  Common

6.  Ice Cube 

7.  The Roots

8.  Rakim

9.  Scarface

1) Debatable
2) Yes
3) Debatable
4) No
5) No
6) No
7) No
8 ) No
9) No

All these artist have classics and all, no doubt but for a whole discography only Jay, Nas, and Outkast have discographies that compare.
post #6182 of 19853
Kanye got better albums than tupac? Had no idea
post #6183 of 19853
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Kanye got better albums than tupac? Had no idea

only Tupac albums with clout are MATW, AEOM and 7DT...Kanye got more highly regarded albums with more cultural impact, a.k.a a better discography...
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post #6184 of 19853
So apparently Pac discography doesn't even compare to Ye's laugh.gif

Just edit your response and put "yes" for Pac so we don't have to go through this discussion now. Please.
post #6185 of 19853
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Nah, we just have more sense than the youngins 
Clearly not when it comes to this subject
post #6186 of 19853
Scarface and The Roots have never dropped a bad album y'all need to stop.
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post #6187 of 19853
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Scarface and The Roots have never dropped a bad album y'all need to stop.

No one said they did though..
post #6188 of 19853
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only Tupac albums with clout are MATW, AEOM and 7DT...Kanye got more highly regarded albums with more cultural impact, a.k.a a better discography...

 

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post #6189 of 19853

Kanye is my favorite rapper, but your wilding saying that he had a bigger cultural impact the mother ******g Tupac :lol

post #6190 of 19853
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Kanye??? Self Hate???

nah laugh.gif
He wants approval from rich white high culture and their creative world .yet they refuse to acknowledge or accept him beyond just wearing the apparell or shoes .He is too blind to realize he could easily recruit people from his own race with similar backgrounds and do all that within his own community and culture yet he doesn't do it .He runs around to Europe to design clothes and hang with European designers and intellectuals when black ones here who have been inspired by him sit and wait from the outside looking in at one of their few representatives drive himself crazy from begging for approval from white culture gatekeepers

kanye west doesnt want to do a grass roots approach he has the credibility already (yeezys lv shoes making leather hot) but the high end fashion world wont acknowledge it the corperations dont want to back him they only want to use his celebrity to sell their products and keep him as a rapper

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or maybe he runs around with these European designers because they're the best at what he's trying to get into...you're looking way too deep into it...

people have a tendency to believe that other people should help them out solely because they have the same skin color, not on the merit of their work...

this too
post #6191 of 19853
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Kanye is my favorite rapper, but your wilding saying that he had a bigger cultural impact the mother ******g Tupac laugh.gif
No one said that...
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No one said that...
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only Tupac albums with clout are MATW, AEOM and 7DT...Kanye got more highly regarded albums with more cultural impact, a.k.a a better discography...
 
post #6193 of 19853
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Clearly says ALBUMS
post #6194 of 19853
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kanye west doesnt want to do a grass roots approach he has the credibility already (yeezys lv shoes making leather hot) but the high end fashion world wont acknowledge it the corperations dont want to back him they only want to use his celebrity to sell their products and keep him as a rapper
this too
Kanye and jay z have enough clout and money to create a high fashion company that can distribute to select vendors.The NT member biglescobar reopened ewing and got the whole catalog in sneaker boutiques around the world and producing high quality sneakers made with real leather for 100 dollars a piece. You tell me ye and hov can't meet with some manufacturers in china and do that or set up a place in America to make shoes and clothes .
post #6195 of 19853
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Kanye is my favorite rapper, but your wilding saying that he had a bigger cultural impact the mother ******g Tupac laugh.gif

i'm talking about his albums, chief...Tupac is more so celebrated for his personality and views...his music wasn't groundbreaking and didn't change any shifts in hip hop...he was a gangster rapper in a era of gangster rappers...people respected him, but not to many people were trying to replicate his sound...more people were trying to replicate the Bad Boy sound...
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post #6196 of 19853
In my eyes, Kanye's discography is better than anyone else's in hip hop. But that's just me. I wouldn't even say Kanye's a top 10 rapper, but musically, I just enjoy his albums, and all of his albums hold a place for me.

I just don't see how anyone else has a better 7 album stretch with as much of a diverse sound as what he has had.
post #6197 of 19853
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i'm talking about his albums, chief...Tupac is more so celebrated for his personality and views...his music wasn't groundbreaking and didn't change any shifts in hip hop...he was a gangster rapper in a era of gangster rappers...people respected him, but not to many people were trying to replicate his sound...more people were trying to replicate the Bad Boy sound...


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post #6198 of 19853
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i'm talking about his albums, chief...Tupac is more so celebrated for his personality and views...his music wasn't groundbreaking and didn't change any shifts in hip hop...he was a gangster rapper in a era of gangster rappers...people respected him, but not to many people were trying to replicate his sound...more people were trying to replicate the Bad Boy sound...

Here's the thing with this.

It's kind of become cool to say this about Pac lately. And while people may see a glorified gangster rapper, I see otherwise. I see an artist who was extremely versatile, and was the voice of Young America during the mid 90's because of that versatility. He made Brenda's Got A Baby, Keep Ya Head Up, Then I get around, and Me against the world, and Do For Love, and How do you want it, Unconditional love, countless others. All huge records that covered a myriad of topics.

So yes, his music was groundbreaking at the time because no one was really showcasing this kind of variety in their music. He wasn't a gangster rapper. The media labeled him as that, but the records mentioned above aren't gangster. He had some gangster records, but they pale to the number of other records that he had. He has a stellar discography IMO, including his posthumous albums most of which were really good.
post #6199 of 19853
I will say that Kanye West's discography is amazing (minus Yeezus)

It's rare that you find an artist especially in Hip-Hop, who consistently puts out work in which the quality of it is A1 every time. Like it's incredible the amount of quality joints he's pumped out. CD, LR, Graduation, 808's, all awesome projects to me.

I kind of refrain from comparing his discographies to others because that would imply that one is better, when it's all preference. **** like that takes away from the true purpose of it all is, which is "Do you like and enjoy the music?" Yes, or not. No need to rank it. They all have great discographies and that's that.
post #6200 of 19853
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i'm talking about his albums, chief...Tupac is more so celebrated for his personality and views...his music wasn't groundbreaking and didn't change any shifts in hip hop...he was a gangster rapper in a era of gangster rappers...people respected him, but not to many people were trying to replicate his sound...more people were trying to replicate the Bad Boy sound...

Here's the thing with this.

It's kind of become cool to say this about Pac lately. And while people may see a glorified gangster rapper, I see otherwise. I see an artist who was extremely versatile, and was the voice of Young America during the mid 90's because of that versatility. He made Brenda's Got A Baby, Keep Ya Head Up, Then I get around, and Me against the world, and Do For Love, and How do you want it, Unconditional love, countless others. All huge records that covered a myriad of topics.

So yes, his music was groundbreaking at the time because no one was really showcasing this kind of variety in their music. He wasn't a gangster rapper. The media labeled him as that, but the records mentioned above aren't gangster. He had some gangster records, but they pale to the number of other records that he had. He has a stellar discography IMO, including his posthumous albums most of which were really good.

agreed
post #6201 of 19853
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Here's the thing with this.

It's kind of become cool to say this about Pac lately. And while people may see a glorified gangster rapper, I see otherwise. I see an artist who was extremely versatile, and was the voice of Young America during the mid 90's because of that versatility. He made Brenda's Got A Baby, Keep Ya Head Up, Then I get around, and Me against the world, and Do For Love, and How do you want it, Unconditional love, countless others. All huge records that covered a myriad of topics.

So yes, his music was groundbreaking at the time because no one was really showcasing this kind of variety in their music. He wasn't a gangster rapper. The media labeled him as that, but the records mentioned above aren't gangster. He had some gangster records, but they pale to the number of other records that he had. He has a stellar discography IMO, including his posthumous albums most of which were really good.

Ice Cube had just as much variety in his music as Pac did...so did Scarface and Outkast...Pac wasn't the only person speaking on the black condition in all forms...his production wasn't anything to write home about and he wasn't really lyrical at all...his persona, energy, and passion carried him, which isn't a bad thing...but when we're talking in terms of people who changed the climate in hip hop, yeah Pac had amazing tracks no doubt, but there are people who did it better than him from a pure musical standpoint...

it's easy to see the clear shifts in music and the hip hop culture every time Kanye dropped an album...whether you agree with the direction it took or not, you can't deny the impact that it had on the hip hop scene...i only really care about a artist body of work...all that other **** isn't important in the grand scheme of things, and Kanye just has a better discography which ,in my eyes, makes him the better artist...i don't think Kanye is extremely lyrical, but I can't understand half the **** that comes out of Thom Yorke's, but Radiohead is still undeniably one of the greatest bands because they know how to put together an album...it's about the music, man...
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post #6202 of 19853

dude has lost his mind, for the 8th time..............

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post #6203 of 19853
Damn

That whole first paragraph looks like the arguments people were making against Kanye's impact a few days ago right in this thread.
post #6204 of 19853
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Damn

That whole first paragraph looks like the arguments people were making against Kanye's impact a few days ago right in this thread.

people don't like to compare Pac to Ye because there's a clear distinction between their view, but they were exactly alike, down to the undeniable hypocrisy...Ye's just better at the music thing laugh.gif
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post #6205 of 19853

How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

 

Please stop it.

 

Please.

post #6206 of 19853
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How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

 

Please stop it.

 

Please.

no one said he had the best catalog in hip hop.

 

"one of the best."

 

dope *** rappers make garbage *** music every day b.  how many canibus, mos def, bone thugs, royce da 5'9, bun b, and prodigy albums do you own?  those ****** have all been involved with GREAT songs/albums, and the majority of their collective discographies are trash.  (Bun please don't smack me if you see this.)

post #6207 of 19853
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Ice Cube had just as much variety in his music as Pac did...so did Scarface and Outkast...Pac wasn't the only person speaking on the black condition in all forms...his production wasn't anything to write home about and he wasn't really lyrical at all...his persona, energy, and passion carried him, which isn't a bad thing...but when we're talking in terms of people who changed the climate in hip hop, yeah Pac had amazing tracks no doubt, but there are people who did it better than him from a pure musical standpoint...

it's easy to see the clear shifts in music and the hip hop culture every time Kanye dropped an album...whether you agree with the direction it took or not, you can't deny the impact that it had on the hip hop scene...i only really care about a artist body of work...all that other **** isn't important in the grand scheme of things, and Kanye just has a better discography which ,in my eyes, makes him the better artist...i don't think Kanye is extremely lyrical, but I can't understand half the **** that comes out of Thom Yorke's, but Radiohead is still undeniably one of the greatest bands because they know how to put together an album...it's about the music, man...

Ice Cube, Outkast, Scarface, while they were as versatile they were not as polarizing. Which is a huge factor in being able to shift culture. It's why Ye is so maligned in today's world. He's a polarizing figure in this music realm. Shifting young America is more than just the music. And you are saying those guys did it "better than him from a pure musical standpoint," I'm going to just have to disagree with that. Because at the end of the day, they may have been better rappers in the lyrical vein, but the records weren't as good. Outkast and Scarface and Cube just weren't putting out "How Do You Want It" and "Unconditional Love," and "Changes" and all types of other records.

If it's really about the music then I reaalllyyy have a hard time seeing how Ye's discography is better than Pac's. Pac has countless huge records, and to me they are all better than everything Ye has put out. Pac may not be a "rapper" in the technical sense, but he's getting his point across, and making a great song in the process. I'm not trying to hear Ye's struggle bars verse in and verse out. I think you're saying Ye is more "Musical" which is fine, but when it comes down to it, for me, I'm still choosing Pac's Music over Ye's, which makes his discography better.
post #6208 of 19853
Pac and Ye both have great catalogs. It's kinda hard to compare cuz Pac died at 25. Ye is what 34 and still going. It's like when people compare Jay and Pac. Jay's first album came out when he was 26. Pac didn't even live to see that age and look at all he accomplished in his short time here.


7 Day Theory and Me Against The World is better than any Kanye album though. Just my opinion.
post #6209 of 19853
Also one thin about PAC u guys have to remember is the way he stock liked music. He did it out of urgency. He wanted out of death row.

He and te are great artists but there demons come from different places.

Ye on the inside

PAC outside.

Lets appreciate
post #6210 of 19853
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How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.
no one said he had the best catalog in hip hop.

"one of the best."

dope *** rappers make garbage *** music every day b.  how many canibus, mos def, bone thugs, royce da 5'9, bun b, and prodigy albums do you own?  those ****** have all been involved with GREAT songs/albums, and the majority of their collective discographies are trash.  (Bun please don't smack me if you see this.)

Prodigy solo wise has 1 bad album. Bun B doesn't have any bad ones. Royce has one that's more mainstream than it should sound, but still good. Never listened to Mos Def much, but I'll give you Bone Thugs and definitely Canibus. You have to find some middle ground on your hyperbolic posts, cause albums that don't exceed expectation don't automatically = trash
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