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[illphillip]

Polo wasn't popular in the hood before Kanye Do you hear yourself?

I never said that. You said that. Please see the above statement.

Really? Your words were....

Even if he didn't invent the 'Lo Life style....none of those things were popular to the masses when Kanye brought it to the table.

Which is false.

The irony of your post is that you even say you were rocking that **** because you went to boarding school. Maybe your experience isn't that unique. Maybe more kids from around the way are going to boarding/prep/private schools more than ever.

Maybe a lot of people are more influenced by their experiences than they are by a rapper. At least the intelligent people. How can you determine who was influenced by what to say "Kanye did it!"?

My G since when do you have to literally be the first to do something in order to popularize it and bring it to the masses?

So him and Pharrell both changed the personification of what hiphop could be but because he didn't do it 100% by himself he's suddenly not essential to it.

YOU claimed Jay-Z is a cultural leader which he is.... You admit that Ye has heavily influenced him..... so he influenced a cultural leader but he isn't a cultural leader?

Doing something that someone just did 2-3 years before you doesn't make you a pioneer or a leader in my eyes. And as I said, all that **** was already being done around the way.

Polo did not need Kanye to propel them in the hood or anywhere. That's been the preppy aesthetic in the hood for decades now. Pharrell had done all the Bape ****.

I didn't admit Ye heavily influenced Jay at all. I am using your words. And just because you "influence" a cultural leader, it doesn't make you a cultural leader.

Don't be ridiculous. We're all influenced by people in our sphere. I'm not about to call Ty-Ty or Bleek cultural leaders because they may have rubbed off a bit on Jay over the years. If that is a pert of your case for Kanye being a leader, it's absurd. Which is my point. You guys are REACHING.

Jay and his entrepreneurial drive was there long before Kanye. THAT is what makes him a cultural leader. Not the clothes he wears. Musically, Jay was HUGELY successful before Kanye.

You guys are just OD with it. Like I said, you'll see it your way. And clearly there is no way I can out-type Kaye fanatics.

As I said above, I am personally influenced by my experiences. Not by a rapper or his music. At least that's been the case since I got past the age of 15. If you are the opposite.....

May he lead you well.....

 

[trynafeelmink]

Here's the bottom line look at the difference in dress, taste, musical choices, and what is deemed socially respectable...... in the hood from 2003 to 2013 those ***** are COMPLETELY different Kanye is one of the pioneers of this chage in thought process and perception.

You put tyty & Memphis Bleek and some hypothetical "influences" in the same realm as a international superstar and the KNOWN influence he has had on Jay-Z over the years

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Nah Kanye ain't have no impact on hiphop culture

 

[illphillip]

You missed the point entirely. No surprise. You seem to excel at that.

You used Kanye's influence on a "cultural leader" to determine that he is a "cultural leader".

Absurd.

You somehow KNOW that Kanye's influence on Jay is greater than Bleek's or TyTy's, or even Dame or Swzz (on the fine art tip)? No. You assume.

And my point is none of them is a cultural leader because of their "influence" on Jay. Jay puts it all into practice. As I CLEARLY stated, Jay was an entrepreneur (own label, working with Reebok, his own clothing line etc) and a hugely successful musician before Kanye.

So who influenced who?

So maybe Kanye has influenced Jay from a style standpoint. That means so little in the grand scheme of things.

I don't know what hood you're in, but I don't see Kanye's influence as much as you'd like to believe. That's what I'm saying.

It's a slim percentage of dudes wearing waxed jeans and Android Homme. Everything else is a a re-hash of **** that's been done before. J's, AF1's, Foams etc.

BIG and Pac did the Versace thing. So did Jay. So does French.

Noone is bumping Yeezus. Jay, Ross and them still got that.

It's not as deep as you'd like to believe it is. Leading and influencing are not the same and somehow y'all got it twisted.

 

[trynafeelmink]

You missed the point entirely. No surprise. You seem to excel at that.

You used Kanye's influence on a "cultural leader" to determine that he is a "cultural leader".

Absurd.

You somehow KNOW that Kanye's influence on Jay is greater than Bleek's or TyTy's, or even Dame or Swzz (on the fine art tip)? No. You assume.

And my point is none of them is a cultural leader because of their "influence" on Jay. Jay puts it all into practice. As I CLEARLY stated, Jay was an entrepreneur (own label, working with Reebok, his own clothing line etc) and a hugely successful musician before Kanye.

So who influenced who?

So maybe Kanye has influenced Jay from a style standpoint. That means so little in the grand scheme of things.

I don't know what hood you're in, but I don't see Kanye's influence as much as you'd like to believe. That's what I'm saying.

It's a slim percentage of dudes wearing waxed jeans and Android Homme. Everything else is a a re-hash of **** that's been done before. J's, AF1's, Foams etc.

BIG and Pac did the Versace thing. So did Jay. So does French.

Noone is bumping Yeezus. Jay, Ross and them still got that.

It's not as deep as you'd like to believe it is. Leading and influencing are not the same and somehow y'all got it twisted.

Actually i have two entire post in here discussing why i believe he's a cultural leader you to no surprise to me decide to dwell on the jay-z thing to discredit the opinion.

Neither one of us is inside of Jay-Z inner circle... I have no clue WTF bleek or ty ty have added to Jay-z as a person and have no ****** clue as to how that would be measured..... so excuse me for being logical and using things that i KNOW happened rather than random assumptions.

once again you are looking at specifics rather then the entire shift in mentality that he's caused.Yes people aren't rocking Dior Homme & waxed jeans every other block..... dudes are however wearing slim fit jeans, talking about high end fashion (Hermes, Givenchy, YSL), wearing leather & animal print textures, wearing snapbacks wit faux snakeskin on it. hell even hudson went from making giant leather bombers to literally stealing Givenchy streetwear designs and selling them in the hood.

do you know how many ****** go test other clothing spots out now and have an open mind to other brands due to the way Kanye helped shatter the mold on what's acceptable in hiphop. there was a time where if you as a black man mentioned soho the word homo was coming up shortly after. Now Hood ****** know about all the spots down there they could get fly at.

Just three years ago FNO was started in NYC and was made for the fashionista/ hypebeast kinds..... fast forward only two years FNO in soho had ******* twerkin on top of old schools & ****** serving nut crackers a block away from LV, 7& art galleries.

So while everyone in the hood isn't dressed like kanye.... the sense of style and perception of certain areas and events are now blurred and more open then ever.

 

[illphillip]

How is the magnitude of Dame, Bleek or TyTy's influence on Jay any more hypothetical than Kanye's to someone not in his inner circle? As you stated.

When Jay had accomplished so much before Kanye.

Assuming is exactly what you're doing. You KNOW nothing. There is no logic in that.

My bad for "looking at specifics" You got that.

I can't even believe we're stuck on "fashion" like this. When high end fashion has ALWAYS been a status symbol in Hip Hop.

So just because dude came up on new designers, he's a "leader"? OK.

I'm dwelling on the Jay-Z thing because it is a prime example of how flawed your thought process is and the extremes you'll go to proclaim some dude you don't even know a "cultural leader".

I could poke holes in most of your other assertions, but that one stood out the most.

 

[knowledgebones72]

....next thing you know illphillip gonna try and say Dipset ain't have a huge impact on hip hop culture.

 

[illphillip]

Ah yes, let's take the convo in a totally different direction. That's the mark of genius.

Dipset's influence was clearly visible. But that's only if you want to look at "specifics"

It's been fun fellas.

 

[lamekilla]

But Nike didnt call 'ye the day after the yeezy 2's released

 

[str8drop]

I think this is a perfect example of one's perception being colored by their own specific experiences. I do kinda agree with tyisny that Kanye has had a pretty big impact culturally on mainstream hip-hop as a whole but that doesn't exactly mean that impact directly affects those in the hood like you think they would.

Maybe these are just my experiences but I've lived in the hood my whole life and despite Kanye being one of the biggest rappers in Hip-Hop for the last 10 years, I've never heard his music played in the hood, never heard a conversation about dude in the hood, and honestly I only know one person other than myself that listen to dude and he stop checking for him post 808s. You pull up bumping Kanye ****** would give you the straight side-eye .

As far as clothes my experiences were the complete opposite of knowledgebones. Kanye started popping in 03-04 on the heels of the jersey era around the same time that DFB-White Tee came out. Like I said earlier this might just pertain to my area but if you were in the hood and didn't have any tall tees around this time you were a lame straight up.

As far as today I imagine hood dudes in NYC are more fashion forward than people elsewhere but where I'm at dudes are not rocking slim jeans and animal prints. I doubt anybody besides maybe females even know what the hell Hermes and Givenchy are, let alone rocking that ****. Hell ****** just learned what "red bottoms" are within the last year or two

 

[knowledgebones72]

I say that to point out that there is no difference between what makes Dipset influential and what makes Kanye influential.

They both created a lane for themselves that had been arguably forged before in the previous era.

It's like, you know what life was like being in highschool in 03-05, and you know who was really shaping people's perspectives and identities.

You're over here talking about "Maybe more kids from around the way are going to boarding/prep/private schools more than ever." when that has NOTHING to do with the way OTHER kids in my school changed their perception on my steez. That was 100% Kanye West and Pharrell becoming popular.

It's like, either Kanye had no great impact on the culture when he came out or anyone who can acknowledge that he did is a follower or doesn't think for themeselves.

Jeez. I'm not a fanatic, not even the biggest fan of Yeezus, but I can still give someone credit.

I'm totally able not like something but still acknowledge that it's a big deal and important.

 

[knowledgebones72]

When I was in high school I worked at this DC area clothing store called Up Against The Wall, and Kanye West and Pharrell becoming popular completely changed the entire stock of that store.

 

[illphillip]

You're over here talking about "Maybe more kids from around the way are going to boarding/prep/private schools more than ever." when that has NOTHING to do with the way OTHER kids in my school changed their perception on my steez. That was 100% Kanye West and Pharrell becoming popular.

It's like, either Kanye had no great impact on the culture when he came out or anyone who can acknowledge that he did is a follower or doesn't think for themeselves.

Jeez. I'm not a fanatic, not even the biggest fan of Yeezus, but I can still give someone credit.

I'm totally able not like something but still acknowledge that it's a big deal and important.

In terms of your first point, sure it does. The more something becomes the norm, the easier it is for those other kids to accept. I went to private school. Got stress around the way for hanging with the "white boys". That was YEARS ago. I bet those conversations are not the same today. In fact, those conversations were changing even as I went to college and beyond. Because more kids from my neighborhood were going to better schools. This is before anyone knew who Pharrell was.

That **** is in no way, shape of form "100% Kanye West and Pharrell". Plus, you got it backwards.

I guess our definitions of a "big deal" and "important" are not the same.

I like STR8DROP's post because, you kind of want to say he's influential and a leader, but then you can't tangibly explain why or where. I need something more to go on than just what someone "thinks".

Pharrell to me was the difference maker. Stylistically, culturally and musically even. Being the guy that does the same a year or 2 later just doesn't impress me. That's just ME speaking. Because, you know, this is all about what WE see individually.

 

[epidemik the great]

c'mon...

you can not like the guy, but don't try to discredit Kanye's influence on hip hop and fashion...no amount of paragraphs will make you right...

 

[delete1234]

Lol damn. I just don't like Ye recent work. But damn illphillip going to hard right now

 

[deuce king]

what's he's done to enhance videos and bring details to performance and concerts over the past decade is something that is already regarded as some of the best work in those categories...
 

In regards to hip hop or just music in general??

 

[illphillip]

c'mon...

you can not like the guy, but don't try to discredit Kanye's influence on hip hop and fashion...no amount of paragraphs will make you right...

Your mistake is believing there is a right and wrong in this. It's not math.

This all began, not as a discussion of Kanye being influential. I can see that he is influential.
I've seen dudes on the street (and on here) literally carbon copy his outifts.

But being influential is not as uncommon as you might think.

This is more about the magnitude of that "influence" to the point where he can be deemed a "cultural LEADER".

I'd say Pharrell is moreso that. And I'm not even sure I'd go all the way there.

Following the trail that the next man blazed doesn't make you a leader IMO.

As I said before, he is clearly a significant personality in pop culture. But not always for the right reasons.

That alone does not lend itself to massive influence or leadership.

 

[illphillip]

Lol damn. I just don't like Ye recent work. But damn illphillip going to hard right now

Home sick and bored as ****. Not even going hard.

Going hard on a message board don't really register to me either. This **** don't affect me none.

 

[bishopstrongbow]

he has so has Lupe, Common, and the rest of the gang

Chicago is bad dont get me wrong but my aunt lives there and said the media over exaggerates on a lot of news cause I called her concerned like "is Chicago really like Iraq right now?" She said Chicago always been horrible violence wise nothing new

I think Detroit is worst personally

I mean... Not to discredit you aunt... But I'm assuming I'm a little younger than her (24) and I'm out here in the streets everyday...... It's BAD bruh... There was just a mass shooting this past weekend.... 13 people shot including a 3 year old boy at a park, FOR NO REASON in broad daylight with an AK-47... Multiple rounds let out by a 20,22,and 19 year old...... A 19 year old got his brains blown out by a 30 year old 2 weeks ago in a popular bar hopping area on a Friday night 1230 am, Primetime, from 3 feet away. SPLAT. Changed right there.

Its bad out here. I'm out all the time, I'm active, I know where to be and where not to be, and still you get shocked at what goes down cause it gets closer and closer to you no matter how much u try and avoid it.

 

[illphillip]

^^^

And there lies the problem.

But let's talk about "fashion" instead

 

[lamekilla]

Why is it so hard for some of you guys to accept that kanye has had a huge hand on shifting the perspective of hip hop culture? I mean I know the 'ye worshipping these days have become OD but, as you can see when he talks, we ALL listen.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I think this is a perfect example of one's perception being colored by their own specific experiences. I do kinda agree with tyisny that Kanye has had a pretty big impact culturally on mainstream hip-hop as a whole but that doesn't exactly mean that impact directly affects those in the hood like you think they would.

Maybe these are just my experiences but I've lived in the hood my whole life and despite Kanye being one of the biggest rappers in Hip-Hop for the last 10 years, I've never heard his music played in the hood, never heard a conversation about dude in the hood, and honestly I only know one person other than myself that listen to dude and he stop checking for him post 808s. You pull up bumping Kanye ****** would give you the straight side-eye .

As far as clothes my experiences were the complete opposite of knowledgebones. Kanye started popping in 03-04 on the heels of the jersey era around the same time that DFB-White Tee came out. Like I said earlier this might just pertain to my area but if you were in the hood and didn't have any tall tees around this time you were a lame straight up.

As far as today I imagine hood dudes in NYC are more fashion forward than people elsewhere but where I'm at dudes are not rocking slim jeans and animal prints. I doubt anybody besides maybe females even know what the hell Hermes and Givenchy are, let alone rocking that ****. Hell ****** just learned what "red bottoms" are within the last year or two

I could respect that because being from NYC as opposed to maybe a smaller city Fashion may move at a slower pace or may be viewed at as something different. We are both discussing different SMALL areas. But when talking about MAINSTREAM impact and keeping it on that level...

At the time before Ye started to Grow a buzz (99-2002)... we had these things going on

- Gangsta rap was at it's height the legit opposite of Ye were the hottest things in hiphop (50 Cent, Dipset, Jadakiss etc etc)
- Most MAINSTREAM rappers were being forced to potray a tough guy image because nobody wanted to here that backpack ****.
- Hiphop fashion was ALL baggy clothing, it went from jerseys to button ups that were ALL 2-3x the size they should have been.
- Production was dominated by uptempo "futuristic" production from the likes of Timbo, Neptunes, Rotweiler, etc etc.
- MAINSTREAM hiphop lyrics were mostly about drugs, money, *******.
- MAINSTREAM hiphop videos were almost ALWAYS centered around clubs, Bling, *******, cars
- High fashion (In this Case exclusively LV & Gucci) were being printed on AF1, jackets, visors, even ****** cars ...... however none of that stuff was officially licensed and most rappers of that time weren't rocking anything that would be seen on a gucci runway show.

Around 2003 ye really starts to become famous... we now have this going on

- Him and Just Blaze together helped sonically change the ENTIRE sound of hip-hop, everything and everybody no matter the region was spitting on looped up soul ****... (YES WE KNOW soul samples were done before they weren't anywhere near as common as they were during the BP/ Dipset era)
- MAINSTREAM artist were no longer forced to try and be the tough guy, it was okay to say you went to school, it was okay to be proud of not being a gangster, it became much more relevant to make yourself seem more vulnerable to any emotion at all.
- By 2006 the entire look of mainstream Hiphop was completely changed... the jerseys were gone, alot of the clothes were fore "fitted", hiphop started to branch out to more streetwear inspired brands (Bape, stussy, supreme etc etc) and leaving the urban/hiphop brands alone (Sean John/ Enyce/ Rocawear etc etc)
- Then you have 808's which whether you liked it or hated it CLEARLY had an impact on how and what rappers could do. This was a guy coming off three critically acclaimed HIPHOP albums who started wearing suits all over and literally singing and adding sounds and themes not found in hiphop and mixing the two.
- Since then an ENTIRE generation of new rappers have all grown and became successful when just 3-4 years prior to that artist with their image wouldt be disrespected, labeled weird or be called a backpacker and forced to stay out of MAINSTREAM rap.
- High END FASHION was not celebrated in hiphop until after Kanye became famous... sure an occasional gucci bag or kicks was worn, some illegitimate bubble with g's on it was bought... but your average everyday rapper wasn't walkin around in the newest french fashions. they weren't in vogue, They weren't doing PARTNERSHIPS with luxury brands, they weren't being asked to debut pieces of a collection for the world to see.

so basically this guy since being here has changed the SOUND OF MAINSTREAM MUSIC, CHANGED THE WAY YOUR AVERAGE RAPPER DRESSES, CHANGED THE WAY MAINSTREAM AMERICA ALLOWS RAPPERS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES (Runaway film, countless Videos, Stageshows to rival anyone), Is arguably the Biggest black rapper alive.... the guy has not only introduced the hood to other cultures, but he's introduced other cultures to hood culture.

How is that same person not impacting the culture that's all i want to know.

 

[epidemik the great]

Your mistake is believing there is a right and wrong in this. It's not math.

This all began, not as a discussion of Kanye being influential. I can see that he is influential.
I've seen dudes on the street (and on here) literally carbon copy his outifts.

But being influential is not as uncommon as you might think.

This is more about the magnitude of that "influence" to the point where he can be deemed a "cultural LEADER".

I'd say Pharrell is moreso that. And I'm not even sure I'd go all the way there.

Following the trail that the next man blazed doesn't make you a leader IMO.

As I said before, he is clearly a significant personality in pop culture. But not always for the right reasons.

That alone does not lend itself to massive influence or leadership.

okay...cause there's sooo many influential black people in media today...i can name them off of both hands...Kanye is one of them...

Kanye's undeniably affected the whole culture of rap...it's not an opinion, it's a fact...

 

[trynafeelmink]

In regards to hip hop or just music in general??

specifically hiphop, but even amongst any other genre's Ye has always been considered one of the best in today's world.

 

[trynafeelmink]

^^^

And there lies the problem.

But let's talk about "fashion" instead

Here lays the real problem you don't think he's a cultural leader but you expect him to help control a situation that's been going on in every hood for half a century. I mean the ***** can't even get respect in a world he shifts accordingly every few years (fashion) but you expect him to somehow hold that kind of wait when talking to government officials & Gang ****** who have been expecting death for years

 

[J A M E S]

So he sits down and has an interview about revolutionizing ART and the perception of how black man should be viewed in the corporate world.... and your response is why isn't he helping in chicago?

Because dude is making Hedi Slimane disses and leather sweats seem as if it's some sort of new civil rights movement...as if by him doing that he's somehow pushing the needle forward. Coming from where he's coming from, his energy could be better spent elsewhere.

If he was as passionate about his people as he is about proving something to fashion's elite, and screaming about culture while he sells $200 sneakers, $120 undershirts and pushing a tour through a national ticketing conglomerate (anti-corporate, right?)......well, you do the math.

I learned today you can't talk about three things: Religion, politics and Kanye West.