Originally Posted by illphillip
at using wikipedia to try to make a point.
So Day N Nite comes out Late 07/Early 08.
808's comes out late 08.
But Kanye is a father to the style that cats like Andre and Cudi were already doing? With Day N Nite popping at radio? Day N Nite didn't pop on radio
Kanye influenced THEM? Not the other way around? Andre and Cudi weren't already successful?
Do you see how ridiculous what you've typed is? Please tell me you cannot be this lost.
You've debunked nothing. You've just made your thought process look even less rational. We get it, you think 808s is a masterpiece and Kanye is amazing.
But that's not changing history I'm afraid. Drake has also cited Andre as an influence. Which if you read has been my point all along. No one man "spawned" what Drake is doing when SEVERAL artists had been in that lane for quite some time.
Stop reading what's online and talk to actual human beings and you'll know how those albums were/are received. It's just another man's opinion. And if you value the opinions of "critics" that much, people who work for magazines who's job is to attract attention to sell a product, then there's no point in us trying to have an intelligent discussion on this.
As I said, even on here, the consensus is that 808's and Yeezus are by far his weakest albums. Doesn't mean there aren't any people that like them.
. Thinking everything on Wikipedia is made up.
FWIW Wikipedia got that date from iTunes selling Day N Nite as a single. Day N Nite wasn't popping on radio till late 2008. Look at my my original statement and my reply to your original response. I purposely didn't mention Cudi, I clearly state he's always had his own lane.
Replacement Girl. Serious? 2007 Drake was average. Nothing was significant till So Far Gone, which as Drake said was heavily influenced by Kanye.
Andre in 2003
did not have the same affect on the music industry like Kanye did with 808s. Find one artist that credits The Love Below as an influence sonically.
Do you see how ridiculous you sound? My original comment was on Drake, the Weeknd, not Cudi or Andre. You've completely run wild with the idea Andre/The Love Below and he spawned the sounds of Drake and the Weeknd. If he didn't then please tell me who did? Thats right Kanye and 808s.
I debunked your mentions of Drake and his 2 mixtapes before So Far Gone. Why didn't his first two mixtapes catapulate his career, because they weren't extraordinary. Just catchy R&B hooks and punchlines. Comes in a Kanye thread and professing that he is just an average artist.
Changing history? Kanye/808s changed the music in the present. Stop living in the past. Drake can be influenced by a million artists, but sonically So Far Gone-present is all a reflections of 808s. Last time I checked, there wasn't a song that sounded like "Hey Ya" on any of his albums.
Several artists??? You've named two. One of which is/was affiliated with Kanye. Hilarious!
I do talk to other people and those people didn't like Kanye or where not fans of his first three albums, but once they heard 808s they had a newfound respect for him as an artist. So if an album can change people's views and opinions on artist that sounds like a masterpiece to me. I also talked to a lot of people about Yeezus and they didn't like, which is fine with me because I loved it. Usually artists make music for themselves and the fans, not for the casual fan.
Your opinion on critics is flawed. They would sell more magazines bashing Yeezus than praising it. What would standout 100 praises or the 1 negative review?
Look over all the knowledge the last few pages. Your consensus is 808s was his weakest, but the music you here dictates that it was his most influential.
Please reply again that Andre is an influencer, but you still need to prove that 808s didn't spawn drakes style. Oh wait...comeback season. Boy Stop.Edited by sneakerp - 10/13/14 at 2:05pm