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[incredibleev]

No one knows who did what. If you read the credits, there's almost 10 producers on each song. 2-4 people get producer credits on each song almost and then you have lists of who did what instruments. It's also been knows since his second album that he has a lot of writers with him. Not really much to dispute here.

So what though? This is common practice for many albums including some of the greatest albums produced of all time. It's a Kanye West album, and since the MBDTF sessions, we know that this is how his albums are being produced. I can't be mad at that just cause it's not how hip-hop albums are traditionally produced.

 

[Magic33]

It's common practice outside of rap.

Michael Jackson wasn't writing and and producing his work.

And Quincy Jones wasn't doing all the writing and beat making.

 

[gllahone84]

So what though? This is common practice for many albums including some of the greatest albums produced of all time. It's a Kanye West album, and since the MBDTF sessions, we know that this is how his albums are being produced. I can't be mad at that just cause it's not how hip-hop albums are traditionally produced.

Wrong. 

Best hip hop album of all time only features 4 producers....Large Pro, Premier, Q-Tip, and Pete Rock. 

The Infamous had only Havoc, and Q-Tip as producers. 

For Enter the 36 Chambers production was handled by RZA. 

Aquemini's production handled by Outkast and Organized Noise. 

The Minstrel Show's production primarily done by 9th Wonder. 

The Chronic's production was handled by Dre. 

Doggystyle's production overseen by Dre. 

Some of the greatest albums of all time had very limited producers, and the music sounds 10x's better than that **** called Yeezus. 

 

[jr paperstacks]

He said "albums." Not "hip-hop albums."

 

[Magic33]

 

The Chronic's production was handled by Dre. 

Doggystyle's production overseen by Dre. 

Dre was a bad example, because he started doing a lot like Kanye after NWA. They just often weren't credited like Kanye does. Mel Man, Daz and Warren G did a lot more work than they got credit for.

 

[Hahahaha]

So what though? This is common practice for many albums including some of the greatest albums produced of all time. It's a Kanye West album, and since the MBDTF sessions, we know that this is how his albums are being produced. I can't be mad at that just cause it's not how hip-hop albums are traditionally produced.

I never said I had a problem with it. I was just responding to the guy saying who knows what Kanye did or how many producers there were.

BUT...I think this album sounds overproduced. Way too much going on for some of these songs.

I also love albums that only have one or two producers. Old Em albums sounded so good because it was mostly Dre or Dre directing and helping other producers. Recently, Justin Timberlake's album was short and handled by Timbaland so that ***** flowed majestically.

 

[gllahone84]

But he also says....I can't be mad because its not how hip hop albums are traditionally produced.

So I listed classic albums with a limited amount of producers, and all of the albums listed are considered somewhat classic by production standards. 

You don't really need all that extra stuff, especially when the music is suppose to be about minimization. 

What could 10 producers possible add to enhance my listening experience?

Dude was better when he keep it minimal with the production. 

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Y'all be debating any and everything when it comes this dude.


Personal life, Promo, production credits

 

[gllahone84]

Dre was a bad example, because he started doing a lot like Kanye after NWA. They just often weren't credited like Kanye does. Mel Man, Daz and Warren G did a lot more work than they got credit for.

How is Dre a bad example?

He may have linked up with 2 or 3 dudes to help out, but he never reached out to 10 dudes to help on a track.

Mel Man, Daz, and Warren G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[jking0821]

I still don't' see how this discredits the music? So he had a team assist him and gave credit to every single person. It's his name and his product in the end....Do you like or dislike the product. It is music....we aren't talking like oh the ingredients in the food are terrible so when i eat it its bad for me...but it tastes good. This isn't effecting your health...its just music. If you read the credits and let it sway your opinion on the music as a final product thats just stupid to me.

There is an argument to make for everything. Kanye has a huge team so he isn't really that talented...but it takes a big man to surround himself with people that are better then you at certain things and acknowledge that and let them help you. A lot of people can't do that and that can stunt growth. Its all circular to me and in the end there is one thing...the music...so take it or leave it...but trying to discredit the artist by saying he had too many people help him is just pointless.

 

[gllahone84]

Y'all be debating any and everything when it comes this dude.


Personal life, Promo, production credits

Nah it's just you have guys running around praising this guy as some musical messiah, but when you point out the irrationality of it all the guy begins to fade away to me. 

 

[gllahone84]

I still don't' see how this discredits the music? So he had a team assist him and gave credit to every single person. It's his name and his product in the end....Do you like or dislike the product. It is music....we aren't talking like oh the ingredients in the food are terrible so when i eat it its bad for me...but it tastes good. This isn't effecting your health...its just music. If you read the credits and let it sway your opinion on the music as a final product thats just stupid to me.

There is an argument to make for everything. Kanye has a huge team so he isn't really that talented...but it takes a big man to surround himself with people that are better then you at certain things and acknowledge that and let them help you. A lot of people can't do that and that can stunt growth. Its all circular to me and in the end there is one thing...the music...so take it or leave it...but trying to discredit the artist by saying he had too many people help him is just pointless.

I didn't even read the credits to arrive at my own conclusion that the album was one of, it not the worse I've ever heard. 

People mention Kanye and growth in the same breath, but have we come to the point where dudes are just ignoring lyrical content?

Remember if a dude puts out an album that is within the genre of hip hop, more so than any other genre the lyrics will be placed under a microscope. Kanye seems to get a pass for being a trash rapper. 

All because he enlists 10 dudes to give a track some type of orchestra feel, stadium music feel, or now is it called "goon house"?

 

[bluedeniro]

Point blank period lyrically this is terrible and this is why this album is bad, he didnt take this project as serious as he thought he did.

 

[incredibleev]

I mean Kanye has been rolling with a whole band of collaborators since he started working on MBDTF and that album turned out amazing.

I understand not digging the sound of Yeezus production or the lyrics, but I can't knock the album just because there are a lot of writers and producers.

People often lose focus of how music is actually crafted, especially when you're in this hip-hop mind-state of 'a producer and a rapper making a track.' I view Yeezus as the work of a composer conducting an orchestra of collaborators to create his vision, much like the Daft Punk album. From an artistic standpoint I respect that.

 

[jking0821]

I still don't' see how this discredits the music? So he had a team assist him and gave credit to every single person. It's his name and his product in the end....Do you like or dislike the product. It is music....we aren't talking like oh the ingredients in the food are terrible so when i eat it its bad for me...but it tastes good. This isn't effecting your health...its just music. If you read the credits and let it sway your opinion on the music as a final product thats just stupid to me.


There is an argument to make for everything. Kanye has a huge team so he isn't really that talented...but it takes a big man to surround himself with people that are better then you at certain things and acknowledge that and let them help you. A lot of people can't do that and that can stunt growth. Its all circular to me and in the end there is one thing...the music...so take it or leave it...but trying to discredit the artist by saying he had too many people help him is just pointless.

I didn't even read the credits to arrive at my own conclusion that the album was one of, it not the worse I've ever heard. 

People mention Kanye and growth in the same breath, but have we come to the point where dudes are just ignoring lyrical content?

Remember if a dude puts out an album that is within the genre of hip hop, more so than any other genre the lyrics will be placed under a microscope. Kanye seems to get a pass for being a trash rapper. 

All because he enlists 10 dudes to give a track some type of orchestra feel, stadium music feel, or now is it called "goon house"?

I completely agree with you and bluedeniro repped
But maybe its because i never saw kanye as a superbly talented rapper. I always thought his bars were over the top corny he has always done that so i wasn't expecting anything different. I went in expecting to be impressed with production and i was. Music is all subjective so i can see people hating it the sounds are abrasive...which i enjoy. But i think we are on the same page with this album isn't at 10/10 or anything genre defining...but it was worth the money for me and i was impressed from a production stand point.



edit: very well stated incredibleEV

 

[bluedeniro]

if he would of approached the album like he did 808's where he made it known that he would be singing then it would be understood, he approached this album like a hip hop album, if he wants to make the best produced album then him and his teams needs to do a real compilation album, not that good music trash, kind like that neptunes album. How do you even wait 3 weeks to record/write vocals for a album when you first and foremost havent always been the best lyrically, and then you have ghostwriters to fill up six studios but you decided to freestyle/punch your vocals as a establish artist. The message he is trying to convey on the album is clear, i know where he was going, but its hard for casual/fans to get it when your filling up 6 min songs with 30 bar verses.

 

[gllahone84]

if he would of approached the album like he did 808's where he made it known that he would be singing then it would be understood, he approached this album like a hip hop album, if he wants to make the best produced album then him and his teams needs to do a real compilation album, not that good music trash, kind like that neptunes album. How do you even wait 3 weeks to record/write vocals for a album when you first and foremost havent always been the best lyrically, and then you have ghostwriters to fill up six studios but you decided to freestyle/punch your vocals as a establish artist. The message is trying to convey on the album is clear, i know where he was going, but its hard for casual/fans to get it when your filling up 6 min songs with 30 bar verses.

That's it blue.

For months prior to the release I kept hearing reports that this was gonna be a pro black album, a straight up hip hop joint...

And by saying that I had my reservations; clearly Kanye's fan base is so far removed from anything dealing with the black plight, and hip hop encompasses all ethnicity's so I thought to myself whatever. It's not like dude can revert back and get on some dead prez **** without facing extreme backlash. 

He's tabloid material now. New Slaves was a failed attempt to connect with a looming issue that continues to persist in American society.

But then hen he drops the real life Electric Relaxation LP...

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Y'all be debating any and everything when it comes this dude.



Personal life, Promo, production credits

Nah it's just you have guys running around praising this guy as some musical messiah, but when you point out the irrationality of it all the guy begins to fade away to me. 

I mean dude is a legend so I think he does deserve some praise for that but this album is close to garbage. The more I listened to it the worse it got. New Slaves and Bound 2 shows that he's still capable of making great music but it's like he's choosing to jump on some EDM or whatever you want to call it bandwagon. If people think he's changing hip hop or creating some new sound that's where the praise goes overboard. And it's weak when people use that "You don't understand it" excuse.

As far as the production thing I agree with what somebody else said, he is doing what Dre was doing for years. DOC, Scott, Warren, Mel Man, Daz all put in work with Dre. It doesn't take away from either one of their legacies.

Dudes just be getting way to emotional when it comes to Kanye, whether it's the love or the hate.

 

[gllahone84]

I just hope more dudes don't hop on this wack movement...

Heard Kendrick giving props to Ye, which it's good to be open minded, but come on man don't go down that path. 

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I just hope more dudes don't hop on this wack movement...

I definitely agree with that.

Rappers need to leave this lane alone.

 

[nako xl]

So what though? This is common practice for many albums including some of the greatest albums produced of all time. It's a Kanye West album, and since the MBDTF sessions, we know that this is how his albums are being produced. I can't be mad at that just cause it's not how hip-hop albums are traditionally produced.

Wrong. 

Best hip hop album of all time only features 4 producers....Large Pro, Premier, Q-Tip, and Pete Rock. 

The Infamous had only Havoc, and Q-Tip as producers. 

For Enter the 36 Chambers production was handled by RZA. 

Aquemini's production handled by Outkast and Organized Noise. 

The Minstrel Show's production primarily done by 9th Wonder. 

The Chronic's production was handled by Dre. 

Doggystyle's production overseen by Dre. 

Some of the greatest albums of all time had very limited producers, and the music sounds 10x's better than that **** called Yeezus. 

Back then, hip-hop albums weren't giving credits to ghost producers.

Kanye produced It's All About the Benjamins.

Sauce Money wrote a lot of Reasonable Doubt.

No one knew.

Things change.  Today if you tell Kanye to pronounce words differently or switch up a word altogether you might get a writer credit.

Game had a writer credit on Crack Music (even though his verse was removed).

 

[nako xl]

I still don't' see how this discredits the music? So he had a team assist him and gave credit to every single person. It's his name and his product in the end....Do you like or dislike the product. It is music....we aren't talking like oh the ingredients in the food are terrible so when i eat it its bad for me...but it tastes good. This isn't effecting your health...its just music. If you read the credits and let it sway your opinion on the music as a final product thats just stupid to me.

There is an argument to make for everything. Kanye has a huge team so he isn't really that talented...but it takes a big man to surround himself with people that are better then you at certain things and acknowledge that and let them help you. A lot of people can't do that and that can stunt growth. Its all circular to me and in the end there is one thing...the music...so take it or leave it...but trying to discredit the artist by saying he had too many people help him is just pointless.

I didn't even read the credits to arrive at my own conclusion that the album was one of, it not the worse I've ever heard. 

People mention Kanye and growth in the same breath, but have we come to the point where dudes are just ignoring lyrical content?

Remember if a dude puts out an album that is within the genre of hip hop, more so than any other genre the lyrics will be placed under a microscope. Kanye seems to get a pass for being a trash rapper. 

All because he enlists 10 dudes to give a track some type of orchestra feel, stadium music feel, or now is it called "goon house"?

"Goon house" is catching on! 

I'm bout to get tshirts made.

 

[Hahahaha]

A lot of excuses in here.

MBDTF had MAD producers and writers. It is my favorite Kanye album.

Yeezus had MAD producers and writers. It sounded like they were at rave for a week blasted and put together this ****. Majority of the records are overproduced.

 

[Magic33]

Back then, hip-hop albums weren't giving credits to ghost producers.

Kanye produced It's All About the Benjamins.

Sauce Money wrote a lot of Reasonable Doubt.

No one knew.

Things change.  Today if you tell Kanye to pronounce words differently or switch up a word altogether you might get a writer credit.

Game had a writer credit on Crack Music (even though his verse was removed).

Whoa...Kanye didn't do All About the Benjamins and Sauce definitely didn't write a lot of Reasonable Doubt. Where did you get any of that ******** from?

The stuff Kanye did do with D-Dot he got credit for, and it didn't include the stuff on No Way Out.

Next, there's a difference in a beat maker and a producer.

 

[ill legal operation]

So what though? This is common practice for many albums including some of the greatest albums produced of all time. It's a Kanye West album, and since the MBDTF sessions, we know that this is how his albums are being produced. I can't be mad at that just cause it's not how hip-hop albums are traditionally produced.

Wrong. 

Best hip hop album of all time only features 4 producers....Large Pro, Premier, Q-Tip, and Pete Rock. 

The Infamous had only Havoc, and Q-Tip as producers. 

For Enter the 36 Chambers production was handled by RZA. 

Aquemini's production handled by Outkast and Organized Noise. 

The Minstrel Show's production primarily done by 9th Wonder. 

The Chronic's production was handled by Dre. 

Doggystyle's production overseen by Dre. 

Some of the greatest albums of all time had very limited producers, and the music sounds 10x's better than that **** called Yeezus. 

Back then, hip-hop albums weren't giving credits to ghost producers.

Kanye produced It's All About the Benjamins.

Sauce Money wrote a lot of Reasonable Doubt.

No one knew.