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[yeeupp]

A few thinks its a good album

Most think its a bad album.

Gotta deal with it

 

[foamhead93]

I've been really starting to feel Send It Up...
It's got a really heavy feel to it, I can't help but bob my head hard to the beat.

 

[shoeking2101]

I just gotta clear my mind now, it's been racing since the summertime....

 

[certifiedsw]

^ Send it Up is a str8 banger.


This album to me has only gotten better with time. I like it so much more than when I first heard it.

 

[buc em]

^ Send it Up is a str8 banger.


This album to me has only gotten better with time. I like it so much more than when I first heard it.

Agreed. I love every song on this album. There was like 3 songs on it I'd skip when I first got it but now I just listen to it straight through every time.

 

[foamhead93]

It'd be cool if Daft Punk did a remix to On Sight and the other songs they produced on.

 

[gllahone84]

Dude.  Just stop.

At the end of your third paragraph, you concede that requiring Kanye to "Spit 5%er knowledge" is dumb.

Let's just move on.

Point that out to me...

So you're not gonna break down the unique thoughts contrary line? 

Take the L bruh. 

 

[illphillip]

The concept of referring to one's self as a god isn't exclusive to the 5%, but I believe the usage of "God" as a term of endearment is.

exactly.

like Nas saying "Peace, God"

You don't think Nas' verbiage in that instance is rooted in the beliefs/teachings of the 5% Nation, regardless of whether or not he's a 5%er?

Which I believe he is/was.....

That was a HORRIBLE example

 

[illphillip]

The concept of referring to one's self as a god isn't exclusive to the 5%, but I believe the usage of "God" as a term of endearment is.

exactly.


like Nas saying "Peace, God"

or like anyone living in nyc (especially queens) in the late 90s saying that 

But that was a direct result of how pervasive the beliefs of the 5% Nation were in Rap at the time.

How are you guys completely oblivious to this in the examples you're using?

Mind you, I don't know how or why the 5%/Kanye discussion started, but all of these examples you're giving are a DIRECT result of the beliefs of the 5% Nation and groups like Brand Nubian, PRT, Gang Starr, Pete Rock+CL etc. and dudes like Nas, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, AZ etc.

These were some of the biggest artists in Rap at the time.

 

[nako xl]

Dude.  Just stop.

At the end of your third paragraph, you concede that requiring Kanye to "Spit 5%er knowledge" is dumb.

Let's just move on.

Point that out to me...

So you're not gonna break down the unique thoughts contrary line? 

Take the L bruh. 

THEY'RE NOT UNIQUE THOUGHTS!!! That's the point you're missing and that I don't feel like arguing with you about it.

Iconoclasm has existed in art and music since before christ was alive.  A bunch of rappers in the late 80s and 90s embraced a theology that involved them referring to themselves as gods but that doesn't make the idea of self-deism uniquely 5%er.  It just means that when THEY who embrace that "religion" say that it it takes on a certain context.  That doesn't mean anyone else who just happens to rap has to attach the same meaning to the idea that they do.  To attack the center of your entire argument, I'm not even certain they were the first ones to use the phrase "i am a god" in rap!  other people were saying similar controversial things in the 80s.  I'm just foggy on the timeline so you know what maybe Rakim was the first rapper to do it on wax.

But who cares??? The statement and idea that "in the context of hip-hop anyone who uses the phrase i am a god" is doing so in reference to 5% is ******ed.  And if you can't see that then that's the fundamental issue with why you'd think that in the first place.

But that was a direct result of how pervasive the beliefs of the 5% Nation were in Rap at the time.

How are you guys completely oblivious to this in the examples you're using?

Mind you, I don't know how or why the 5%/Kanye discussion started, but all of these examples you're giving are a DIRECT result of the beliefs of the 5% Nation and groups like Brand Nubian, PRT, Gang Starr, Pete Rock+CL etc. and dudes like Nas, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, AZ etc.

These were some of the biggest artists in Rap at the time.

Firstly, I think Nas is a 5%er.  I know he was for a spell in the 90s.  And I know that nyc slang was highly affected by the nation.  I was just replying "like everyone in nyc" used it as a term of endearment in response to PLVN and nique because i did it too and remembering that was funny to me.  not in argument.

in regards to this kanye album:

thunderchunk and gilahone said that Kanye was supposed to "spit 5% knowledge on this album" and fail to comprehend why someone who isn't in the 5% Nation and may not even understand its teachings wouldn't do that.

To them, essentially, a rapper (let's keep it 100, a black rapper because we wouldnt be having this argument if it was eminem or mac miller) saying "i am a god" = he has to ascribe that to the teachings of being a 5%er.

 

[illphillip]

I looked back. I saw them reference the 5% Nation, but the larger issue I saw was that he called a song "I Am God" and the song was full of a bunch of ********.

It looked to me like they were just saying that if you're going to name a song "I Am God", there should be more substance to it, as there was when the rappers who discussed 5% Nation philosophies did when they referenced themselves as "God".

On top of that, I agree that the concept of being a "God", in the world of Rap and rap music has always been connected to the 5% Nation. I don't think they meant you have to be a 5%er per say.

And the examples you gave along with the Nas "Peace, God" example would seem to directly support that.

 

[gllahone84]

THEY'RE NOT UNIQUE THOUGHTS!!! That's the point you're missing and that I don't feel like arguing with you about it.

Iconoclasm has existed in art and music since before christ was alive.  A bunch of rappers in the late 80s and 90s embraced a theology that involved them referring to themselves as gods but that doesn't make the idea of self-deism uniquely 5%er.  It just means that when THEY who embrace that "religion" say that it it takes on a certain context.  That doesn't mean anyone else who just happens to rap has to attach the same meaning to the idea that they do.  To attack the center of your entire argument, I'm not even certain they were the first ones to use the phrase "i am a god" in rap!  other people were saying similar controversial things in the 80s.  I'm just foggy on the timeline so you know what maybe Rakim was the first rapper to do it on wax.

But who cares??? The statement and idea that "in the context of hip-hop anyone who uses the phrase i am a god" is doing so in reference to 5% is ******ed.  And if you can't see that then that's the fundamental issue with why you'd think that in the first place.

Firstly, I think Nas is a 5%er.  I know he was for a spell in the 90s.  And I know that nyc slang was highly affected by the nation.  I was just replying "like everyone in nyc" used it as a term of endearment in response to PLVN and nique because i did it too and remembering that was funny to me.  not in argument.

in regards to this kanye album:

thunderchunk and gilahone said that Kanye was supposed to "spit 5% knowledge on this album" and fail to comprehend why someone who isn't in the 5% Nation and may not even understand its teachings wouldn't do that.

To them, essentially, a rapper (let's keep it 100, a black rapper because we wouldnt be having this argument if it was eminem or mac miller) saying "i am a god" = he has to ascribe that to the teachings of being a 5%er.

In the context of hip hop, the first reference to being a God were rapped about by guys influenced by the teachings, and you have to give credit to the nation for that. 

It's that simple really. 

Name another rapper who did it prior to a rapper as such?

It's impossible. You're not going to find one. 

 

[thunderchunk69]

unless they're talking about Pharaohs.

But in any case, it's a big opportunity lost by Kanye.

Jay is walking around with this chain

'Ye just had Lord Jamar diss him,

and it's something of substance, a subtext he could have thrown on the whole album, like most wu classics.

Dude didn't just dropped the ball, he paid the bouncer extra to not let the ball in the club.

ps.

Just to hear myself type.

Wu tang albums had... their own slang, 5%er knowledge, kung fu culture references, mafia references, regular street &%$*, drug talk that got over most of people's heads, and some like Ghost and early Rae had a style that connected concepts abstractly.
I remember Peter Rosenberg saying he loved Wu Tang... had no idea about the 5%er stuff until Cipha Sounds taught him a bit, he went back and got a totally new dimension to the works.
Like a disney film, B.

 

[gllahone84]

Where's nique at? 

 

[julesbeats]

Regardless, this album still sux

 

[robin thicke]

I like this album alot. At the same time I am highly disappointed.

 

[cragmatic]

I like this album alot. At the same time I am highly disappointed.

I can semi-agree to this. I was driving around tonight listening to MBDTF, and almost 3 years later, that album is still so great to me. It's hands down my favorite Kanye album. I really enjoy Yeezus, I really do. I've praised it throughout this year, But I can't see myself looking back at it in 3 years and praising it the way I still do MBDTF.

With that being said... Yes "Send It Up" is a straight banger! My friend who is a bigger Kanye stan than I am, doesn't like that track. That song is

 

[illphillip]

My friend who is a bigger Kanye stan than I am, doesn't like that track.

Please tell us this story one more time.

It's essential to the progression of this thread.

 

[cragmatic]

Please tell us this story one more time.

It's essential to the progression of this thread.

My bad

I have horrible short term memory loss.....

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

My friend who is a bigger Kanye stan than I am, doesn't like that track.

Please tell us this story one more time.

It's essential to the progression of this thread.

My dude...

 

[foamhead93]

Curious to the people who don't like Yeezus.
Do you like it more or less than 808s?

 

[htg designs]

Curious to the people who don't like Yeezus.
Do you like it more or less than 808s?

Waaaaay less. I thought 808s was dope. Not wat I could bump in the whip, but the songs were great. Great melodies, a lot of emotion and passion, and nice song writing. Production was cool ( heartless beat is underrated. always wish mixtape Wayne woulda snapped on it) Yeezus is jsut doo doo. I like new slaves, blood on the leaves, Im in it ( i turn after Assassin merks it wit di reggae. Ye shoulda just gave him the song), and I only listen to Bound 2 for Charlie Wilson chorus (wish the rest of the song didnt exist). It just a mess. Thought it was supposed to be minimalist, but too much crap goin on. Almost every song sounds like they fused 3 great songs to make a bad one.

 

[nako xl]

[h1]Kanye West Launching Writing & Production Program For Youth In Chicago[/h1]Jul 28th, '13 •  News  •  by C. Vernon Coleman  •  4 Comments


Kanye West is doing his part to provide a positive outlet for the youth in the Chi. Next month, West’s Donda’s House nonprofit organization will join forces with the ARK of St. Sabina community center to implement the “Got Bars” music writing and production program for at-risk teens and young adults. Fellow Chicago rapper and aspiring politician Rhymefest has been appointed as the program’s director. “My mom spent her life as an educator and I am happy that Donda’s House can pick up her torch and honor her life’s mission,” West recently said in a statement.

The program will be a 10-week course for teens and young adults ages 15-24. Fest, the co-founder and assistant director of Donda’s House, will head the music and production teaching courses while his wife, Donnie Smith, an English teacher, will reportedly serve as the executive director.

“I am so happy to launch “Got Bars” to honor Kanye West’s mother’s memory and to fulfill one of my Aldermanic campaign goals,” said Rhymefest. “Got Bars” will change our youth musically, get them healthy and keep them busy in a creative, peaceful environment. I know it will be an even stronger program because of our partnership with the ARK of St. Sabina.” As well as providing a musical education, the program will also preach the benefits of working out, having a sound diet and other applicable life skills.

You can apply via DondasHouse.com. Applications are being received through Friday, August 2, 2013.

 

[tawainehel]

Curious to the people who don't like Yeezus.
Do you like it more or less than 808s?

I'm going to say less. The timing of 808's in contrast to what was going on his life was perfect. I felt like I was on the ride with him and could relate much more on a human level w/o interruption. I can't do that on Yeezus without millionaire pity (I.E. "I hate being famous") Esq lyrics coming into play. Which is needless to say..most of us can't relate to. When you reach that level I think you need to focus on making music for the people and remaining as human as possible. Focusing on things that cost nothing but are known to everyone. Love, Hate, Death, & a Celebration of Life. Look at every Icon before him that became a legend and you can see when they hit this level of thinking. Micheal Jackson..hell even Pac hit that point. He is at that point where he can go either way. This was the one bad project each artist has sooner or later.

 

[deleted]

I like Yeezus more than 808s and I think Yeezus is awful.