OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES (NOW AVAILABLE WOWWWW)

[epidemik the great]

Here's the thing with this.

It's kind of become cool to say this about Pac lately. And while people may see a glorified gangster rapper, I see otherwise. I see an artist who was extremely versatile, and was the voice of Young America during the mid 90's because of that versatility. He made Brenda's Got A Baby, Keep Ya Head Up, Then I get around, and Me against the world, and Do For Love, and How do you want it, Unconditional love, countless others. All huge records that covered a myriad of topics.

So yes, his music was groundbreaking at the time because no one was really showcasing this kind of variety in their music. He wasn't a gangster rapper. The media labeled him as that, but the records mentioned above aren't gangster. He had some gangster records, but they pale to the number of other records that he had. He has a stellar discography IMO, including his posthumous albums most of which were really good.

Ice Cube had just as much variety in his music as Pac did...so did Scarface and Outkast...Pac wasn't the only person speaking on the black condition in all forms...his production wasn't anything to write home about and he wasn't really lyrical at all...his persona, energy, and passion carried him, which isn't a bad thing...but when we're talking in terms of people who changed the climate in hip hop, yeah Pac had amazing tracks no doubt, but there are people who did it better than him from a pure musical standpoint...

it's easy to see the clear shifts in music and the hip hop culture every time Kanye dropped an album...whether you agree with the direction it took or not, you can't deny the impact that it had on the hip hop scene...i only really care about a artist body of work...all that other **** isn't important in the grand scheme of things, and Kanye just has a better discography which ,in my eyes, makes him the better artist...i don't think Kanye is extremely lyrical, but I can't understand half the **** that comes out of Thom Yorke's, but Radiohead is still undeniably one of the greatest bands because they know how to put together an album...it's about the music, man...

 

[julesbeats]

dude has lost his mind, for the 8th time..............

 

[00david00]

Damn

That whole first paragraph looks like the arguments people were making against Kanye's impact a few days ago right in this thread.

 

[epidemik the great]

Damn

That whole first paragraph looks like the arguments people were making against Kanye's impact a few days ago right in this thread.

people don't like to compare Pac to Ye because there's a clear distinction between their view, but they were exactly alike, down to the undeniable hypocrisy...Ye's just better at the music thing

 

[gllahone84]

How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.

 

[nako xl]

 
How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.

no one said he had the best catalog in hip hop.

"one of the best."

dope *** rappers make garbage *** music every day b.  how many canibus, mos def, bone thugs, royce da 5'9, bun b, and prodigy albums do you own?  those ****** have all been involved with GREAT songs/albums, and the majority of their collective discographies are trash.  (Bun please don't smack me if you see this.)

 

[shoeking2101]

Ice Cube had just as much variety in his music as Pac did...so did Scarface and Outkast...Pac wasn't the only person speaking on the black condition in all forms...his production wasn't anything to write home about and he wasn't really lyrical at all...his persona, energy, and passion carried him, which isn't a bad thing...but when we're talking in terms of people who changed the climate in hip hop, yeah Pac had amazing tracks no doubt, but there are people who did it better than him from a pure musical standpoint...

it's easy to see the clear shifts in music and the hip hop culture every time Kanye dropped an album...whether you agree with the direction it took or not, you can't deny the impact that it had on the hip hop scene...i only really care about a artist body of work...all that other **** isn't important in the grand scheme of things, and Kanye just has a better discography which ,in my eyes, makes him the better artist...i don't think Kanye is extremely lyrical, but I can't understand half the **** that comes out of Thom Yorke's, but Radiohead is still undeniably one of the greatest bands because they know how to put together an album...it's about the music, man...

Ice Cube, Outkast, Scarface, while they were as versatile they were not as polarizing. Which is a huge factor in being able to shift culture. It's why Ye is so maligned in today's world. He's a polarizing figure in this music realm. Shifting young America is more than just the music. And you are saying those guys did it "better than him from a pure musical standpoint," I'm going to just have to disagree with that. Because at the end of the day, they may have been better rappers in the lyrical vein, but the records weren't as good. Outkast and Scarface and Cube just weren't putting out "How Do You Want It" and "Unconditional Love," and "Changes" and all types of other records.

If it's really about the music then I reaalllyyy have a hard time seeing how Ye's discography is better than Pac's. Pac has countless huge records, and to me they are all better than everything Ye has put out. Pac may not be a "rapper" in the technical sense, but he's getting his point across, and making a great song in the process. I'm not trying to hear Ye's struggle bars verse in and verse out. I think you're saying Ye is more "Musical" which is fine, but when it comes down to it, for me, I'm still choosing Pac's Music over Ye's, which makes his discography better.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Pac and Ye both have great catalogs. It's kinda hard to compare cuz Pac died at 25. Ye is what 34 and still going. It's like when people compare Jay and Pac. Jay's first album came out when he was 26. Pac didn't even live to see that age and look at all he accomplished in his short time here.


7 Day Theory and Me Against The World is better than any Kanye album though. Just my opinion.

 

[robin thicke]

Also one thin about PAC u guys have to remember is the way he stock liked music. He did it out of urgency. He wanted out of death row.

He and te are great artists but there demons come from different places.

Ye on the inside

PAC outside.

Lets appreciate

 

[Peep Game]

 
How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.

no one said he had the best catalog in hip hop.

"one of the best."

dope *** rappers make garbage *** music every day b.  how many canibus, mos def, bone thugs, royce da 5'9, bun b, and prodigy albums do you own?  those ****** have all been involved with GREAT songs/albums, and the majority of their collective discographies are trash.  (Bun please don't smack me if you see this.)

Prodigy solo wise has 1 bad album. Bun B doesn't have any bad ones. Royce has one that's more mainstream than it should sound, but still good. Never listened to Mos Def much, but I'll give you Bone Thugs and definitely Canibus. You have to find some middle ground on your hyperbolic posts, cause albums that don't exceed expectation don't automatically = trash

 

[warrior on it]

...his production wasn't anything to write home about and he wasn't really lyrical at all...

I've never understood when people say these things. Maybe you didn't like the DeathRow/Dre/Daz/Quik sound? But he used East Coast/Raw Hip Hop beats, too. I don't know what albums you're basing the "poor production" on. 2Pacalypse, Me Against the World...straight up East Coast head-nodders.

Also, the "Tupac isn't (really) Lyrical" argument. I've never understood this at all.

lyrical - expressing deep emotion


If Tupac's records weren't some of the most emotion-filled, then please point me to someone who is lyrical. I feel like people get being "lyrical" mixed with the delivery/flow.



Anywho, I'm excited to see two of my favorite MC's at the Staples Center in a few weeks! Yeezus all in yo sofa!

 

[grittyman]

 
dude has lost his mind, for the 8th time..............

Based off of what? I may not agree with everything he said in the video, or how he went about making his points but he didn't sound crazy to me.

 

[gllahone84]

In my eyes, Kanye's discography is better than anyone else's in hip hop. But that's just me. I wouldn't even say Kanye's a top 10 rapper, but musically, I just enjoy his albums, and all of his albums hold a place for me.

I just don't see how anyone else has a better 7 album stretch with as much of a diverse sound as what he has had.

So you're wrong Nako

 

[nako xl]

 

 

 
How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.

no one said he had the best catalog in hip hop.

"one of the best."

dope *** rappers make garbage *** music every day b.  how many canibus, mos def, bone thugs, royce da 5'9, bun b, and prodigy albums do you own?  those ****** have all been involved with GREAT songs/albums, and the majority of their collective discographies are trash.  (Bun please don't smack me if you see this.)

Prodigy solo wise has 1 bad album. Bun B doesn't have any bad ones. Royce has one that's more mainstream than it should sound, but still good. Never listened to Mos Def much, but I'll give you Bone Thugs and definitely Canibus. You have to find some middle ground on your hyperbolic posts, cause albums that don't exceed expectation don't automatically = trash

prodigy's got more than one bad solo album. as does royce.

my point, with my hyperbolic post, is you dont have to be the best rapper to make the best music of the time.  same way the best rappers can make garbage.

and i know you got my point.

 

In my eyes, Kanye's discography is better than anyone else's in hip hop. But that's just me. I wouldn't even say Kanye's a top 10 rapper, but musically, I just enjoy his albums, and all of his albums hold a place for me.

I just don't see how anyone else has a better 7 album stretch with as much of a diverse sound as what he has had.

So you're wrong Nako

i didn't see that post.  but i'm glad you left in the fact that he started his paragraph with "IN MY EYES" and in the very next sentence said "BUT THAT'S JUST ME".

 

[bishopstrongbow]

You blood sucking mosquitoes

 

[awwsome]

They gonna catch Ye after a long night of blow/drinking and he going to try run over them in the Lambo

 

[certifiedsw]

How he got the best catalog in hip hop, but he's not even the best rapper...not even top 3?

Please stop it.

Please.

What you fail to see gllahone is that great lyricist =/= great artist. Sure Kanye is not one of the best rappers (his bars are sometimes horrible) but he is one of the greatest at making music. Listen to how his **** sounds, it is so much more pleasing to the ear than what some of those dudes that Nako mentioned above bring to the table. Every album he has come with something different, each one sounding radically different from the previous (and sounding good at that). He's unique and one of the great artists of our time and if you fail to see that then it is your own loss. His discography is impeccable and up there with most of the greats. Top 5 easily in my eyes.


And I'm glad Kanye addressed MBDTF as a perfect album. Because it is just that, a perfect piece of work. Like I said a while ago in this thread if you don't like MBDTF I don't like you. *Flame suit on*

 

[Peep Game]

Yea, one of the greatest 7/10 albums I've ever heard

 

[certifiedsw]

Lol @ MBDTF being a 7/10.... whatever you say m8.

 

[thorrocksjs]

Nobody can answer why a multi millionaire black man still asking big corporations to design shoes when we have seen smaller business do it and do it successfully

 

[Peep Game]

No no no, not just a 7/10...the greatest 7/10. It was a strong C+, potentially B-

 

[shoeking2101]

I legit don't see the hype behind MBDTF.

808's >>>>

CD >>>>>>>>

LR >>>>>>>>>>

Graduation >>>>>

All better than MBDTF

 

[sstutter]

In other news, who's that in your avy, Nako?

 

[Majorbread]

Nobody can answer why a multi millionaire black man still asking big corporations to design shoes when we have seen smaller business do it and do it successfully

But i think its a fair question to ask as to why nobody will co-sign him outside of music. Slap his name on most anything and it'll sell. From a business standpoint i don't get it.

As far as him doing his own thing, from the BBC1 interview I understood it as he's trying to create something much larger than he can do on his own. Billion/Trillion dollar company, and wants to collab with the people who know how to make that happen, but they aren't giving him the time of the day.

Overall though i thought it was a solid interview. I like to see what makes him tick/how he thinks. I don't necessarily agree with all the **** he does say, but I can relate when he says hes that shot of espresso to get you going in the morning, his music gets me feeling RIGHT.

Ye will always be appreciated His realness is appreciated whether you mess with what he says or not. These days everyone worried about being PC and losing $$

Cant really comment on his discography, I think its pretty ******g NICE but music is so subjective you really cant compare across artists fairly.

 

[illphillip]

I go offline for few days....and what happens?

Dude acts even MORE of a fool.

So here we are again, talking about this guy, not because he's done anything of importance, but because of his words. Most of which are centered around himself.

This great "cultural leader of ours".......TYPES ON TWITTER IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!

MDBTF is a great album to me. But "perfect"? Do people actually have a firm grasp on what that means?

As much music as I've listened to, all genres....as much music as I've enjoyed, I've never felt possessed to call an album "perfect".

It's just another indicator of the insanity with which some of this man's fans perceive things. So over the top it's laughable.

Crazy thing is, I have no problem agreeing with Nako or whoever who said he has one of the best catalogs in Hip Hop. He's made a lot of albums and a lot of great music.

I'm not gonna say "Top 3" or "Top 5" or whatever. Jay, Pac, Nas, Outkast. Some NY underground heads might say Mobb Deep or Gang Starr because they never made an album that was disliked by many like 808's and Yeezus seem like they were. I don't do "rankings" because it's all personal preference.

Even moreso if we're talking discography in terms of **** he's produced ("Guess Who's Back" is one of my favorite beats and countless others. "Grammy Family". "Get By" etc.), the man's made a lot of great ******g music.

But I'm a "hater", right?

Nah. I'm just looking at this dude and calling it like I see it. You know..."looking at specifics" n' ****

Great artist. But everything outside of the music is wild lame.

Only thing worse then these Ye riders are these old heads ill tell you

Nothing worse than a **** rider my man.