The Penn State Child-Sex Abuse Scandal Thread...Hammer dropped on PSU...sanctions galore.

Nobody did anything right. How can anybody defend any of these Penn St. scumbags? They obviously did everything they could to cover it up and they reported it to each other just to have a cover up if it all came to light. They put the reputation of the school over the lives of innocent kids and they got caught in a fashion that there is no other explanation.  Reputation equals money, which is more important than people when millions of dollars are involved.
 
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz were aware of incidents as early as 2002. Curley testified to the grand jury that he "advised Sandusky that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn State campus from that point forward." Seven years later, in the summer of 2009, Sandusky was still hosting overnight camps for children as young as 9 at other Penn State schools.




Paterno, who last week became the coach with the most wins in Division I football history, wasn't charged, and the grand jury report didn't appear to implicate him in wrongdoing.
Funny how a story sounds when you purposely don't include details. 

And I highly doubt a federal grand jury will automatically rid Paterno of any blame because of his "legend" status
 
The thing is, Joe Pa DID report it. A graduate student and his father saw an incident, told Joe, and Joe told who he was supposed to tell.

Something like this needs to be reported to the police, not just the damn AD.
 
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

Joe Paterno, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz were aware of incidents as early as 2002. Curley testified to the grand jury that he "advised Sandusky that he was prohibited from bringing youth onto the Penn State campus from that point forward." Seven years later, in the summer of 2009, Sandusky was still hosting overnight camps for children as young as 9 at other Penn State schools.






Wow. That's some *#%*
 
since when has reporting child molestation to the AD been doing "enough" ......!$@# like that goes straight to the god damn police
 
[h1]Paterno statement in abuse case raises more questions[/h1]
By Dan Wetzel

Penn State
coach Joe Paterno issued a statement Sunday concerning his knowledge of the Jerry Sandusky child molestation case and while heartfelt and appropriately toned, it raised as many questions as answers.

Most notably for Paterno, it did nothing to quell debate over whether the legendary coach fulfilled his moral obligation when a then-graduate assistant presented a chilling allegation of a potential sexual assault of a 10-year-old boy inside the Penn State locker room by Sandusky, the team’s former defensive coordinator.

Legally, Paterno did the right thing; he summoned his boss, athletic director Tim Curley, to his home the next day and passed along the information.

That Paterno apparently didn’t follow up on the investigation or call the police himself remains a hotly debated topic of this ugly scandal.

On Saturday, Sandusky, 67, was charged by a state grand jury with myriad counts of deviate sexual intercourse, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a child, indecent assault and other offenses after a three-year state police investigation.

Curley and Penn State vice president Gary Schultz were also charged with failure to report the abuse of a child and perjury for claiming they were not told of “sexual acts
 
I will defend Paterno through and through GIVEN THE DETAILS I HAVE. Too many people jump to conclusions based on one piece of information. Damn, people need to read. Paterno answers to the athletic director and it is the Athletic Directors responsibility to report it.

Information and the case that that the grand jury has>>NT. The grand jury has the most information on this and if they didn't implicate Paterno on any wrongdoing, I don't see any reason to believe he did something wrong.
Should he have gone to the police? Yes. Because he didn't, does that mean he contributed to the cover up? Depends how you look at it, but in my opinion no. He fulfilled his legal obligation to report it to the AD and I'll admit, he should've done more. But imo, it was very poor judgement to go to Curley. He should've gone to the police. He thought he could trust Curley to take care of it, looks like he was wrong. 

But to say Paterno is in part to blame for the coverup is pure blasphemy
 
Originally Posted by JD617

The thing is, Joe Pa DID report it. A graduate student and his father saw an incident, told Joe, and Joe told who he was supposed to tell.

Something like this needs to be reported to the police, not just the damn AD.

Thank God there are still people with !!!+$@* common sense left on this earth.

Originally Posted by af1 1982

The thing is, Joe Pa DID report it. A graduate student and his father saw an incident, told Joe, and Joe told who he was supposed to tell. He did what was required for him in that situation. Federal Grand Jury has no implication whatsoever of Joe Pa doing any wrongdoing.

I go to Penn State and I have access to a lot more information than NT with the local papers and even the school paper. I'm not trying to sound all high and mighty but I think I know what I'm talking about. I'll try to keep you guys updated about what's going on around campus. Last night, there were protestors outside the Old Main building demanding for answers. People are in an outrage in the State College Area right now 
If anything, Paterno is the only person who did anything right. It is Curley and Schultz to blame. It is unfair to blame the entire athletic department for the wrongdoings of a few individuals. 

In the mean time, if you want GOOD information and GOOD coverage on the story, visit the school newspapers website.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/

bro, You do NOT have any more access to news than anyone else who has cable and the internet.

we read the same articles as you.

and sorry, but I'll get my info from newsites that have zero stake in this. Forgive me if the on-campus Penn State paper isnt my or anyone else's one & only source. 

JoePa did Barely the minimum. He did not do what was required. He looked out for his Crony by walking it up to his higher ups, instead of the welfare of a child (well, of many children) .

If this was JoePa's grandchild being molested, I bet he's not going to the Athletic Director and school president and leaving the police out of the loop.

If your son had been molested by the assistant coach and you found out the head coach of the team was informed of the incident and he didnt bother to tell you or the cops, you would be looking at this from a different perspective

%$%@ being a Penn state homer, just  be Honest



  
 
You are such a tool bro and you're making me sick. Fact is that Paterno knew nothing had happened after it had been reported and instead of being a man and standing up for what's right he just tried to save the Penn St. brand like everyone else was.
 
While not being 'in trouble' criminally, if he had any notion that an incident occurred between a boy and adult male in the shower, and only reported it, that's just not enough. Legally perhaps he did enough but morally that's screwed up. That said Joe seems to do the right thing with youth and college kids so I will give him the benefit of the doubt unil more details come out. But terrible situation all around
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by JD617

The thing is, Joe Pa DID report it. A graduate student and his father saw an incident, told Joe, and Joe told who he was supposed to tell.

Something like this needs to be reported to the police, not just the damn AD.

Thank God there are still people with !!!+$@* common sense left on this earth.

Originally Posted by af1 1982

The thing is, Joe Pa DID report it. A graduate student and his father saw an incident, told Joe, and Joe told who he was supposed to tell. He did what was required for him in that situation. Federal Grand Jury has no implication whatsoever of Joe Pa doing any wrongdoing.

I go to Penn State and I have access to a lot more information than NT with the local papers and even the school paper. I'm not trying to sound all high and mighty but I think I know what I'm talking about. I'll try to keep you guys updated about what's going on around campus. Last night, there were protestors outside the Old Main building demanding for answers. People are in an outrage in the State College Area right now 
If anything, Paterno is the only person who did anything right. It is Curley and Schultz to blame. It is unfair to blame the entire athletic department for the wrongdoings of a few individuals. 

In the mean time, if you want GOOD information and GOOD coverage on the story, visit the school newspapers website.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/

bro, You do NOT have any more access to news than anyone else who has cable and the internet.

we read the same articles as you.

and sorry, but I'll get my info from newsites that have zero stake in this. Forgive me if the on-campus Penn State paper isnt my or anyone else's one & only source. 

JoePa did Barely the minimum. He did not do what was required. He looked out for his Crony by walking it up to his higher ups, instead of the welfare of a child (well, of many children) .

If this was JoePa's grandchild being molested, I bet he's not going to the Athletic Director and school president and leaving the police out of the loop.

If your son had been molested by the assistant coach and you found out the head coach of the team was informed of the incident and he didnt bother to tell you or the cops, you would be looking at this from a different perspective

%$%@ being a Penn state homer, just  be Honest



  
Read the same articles as me? Son, there is a whole slew of information on the website I posted that you wouldn't even know has existed if I didn't post it. But your entitled to your own opinions. Penn State homer? Hardly. I was born and raised a Michigan fan son. 
Have you even looked at the website? This is an unbiased newspaper run by students. You will get opinions from all spectrums. From people who defend Joe to people to are disgusted with him. 
 
PSU student paper has good coverage from what I just browsed. They ain't playing around. There are journalism awards to be won. My alma mater can't win 'em every year
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Originally Posted by dmxfury

While not being 'in trouble' criminally, if he had any notion that an incident occurred between a boy and adult male in the shower, and only reported it, that's just not enough. Legally perhaps he did enough but morally that's screwed up. That said Joe seems to do the right thing with youth and college kids so I will give him the benefit of the doubt unil more details come out. But terrible situation all around
Completely agree. I'll leave my standpoint at this. Joe should have gone to the police but yall are treating him like he purposely helped cover up. I think Joe is way smarter than that to put a 3 decade long legacy at stake to cover up for a DC. 
Joe cares about kids and the students of the university more than anything. I seriously doubt he would do anything to put kids at harm. 
 
Funnyhow a story sounds when you purposely don't include details.

Funnyhow you are also completely omitting key facts of Paterno's roll. And hiding behind "well, he reported it and isalso not being charged."

Regardless of whether Paterno is charged with acrime in court the man still has accountability and still will be held to ahigher standard. After all he is the "face of Penn State football"who will take all accolades when the program does well on and off the field butwill also have people rush to "protect him" when something drastichappens. It's ok...we see it in many schools when a scandal comes up. The headcoach takes all responsibility and pats on the back (and money) when the teamwins and is popular.  But shockingly "knows nothing" and"had no idea, I wasn't involved" when something bad happens. It's the perk of their jobs.

Do we know all the facts of this case yet? Noteven close. We all can admit that.

Is Paterno likely to be charged with something?Likely not.

Does then then end his story? It does not.

What is trickling out now is information showingthat at Paterno's school this former coach and friend was still allowed back oncampus, was still allowed at preseason practices with juvenile guests, and wasstill earning a salary holding his own youth camps on Penn State campuses withtheir blessing. Up until 2009.

If you don't think Paterno shows no blame andshame in that you have your head completely in the sand.

Edit:  If that comes up blunt that is not my real intention. Rather we need to focus on who really has responsibilities here in a tragic case like this. Not so much at the time as much as AFTER the fact.
 
I don't see how anyone can stand by anything Joe Pa did in this whole situation. If you know about child molestation and go to your boss instead of going straight to the police, isn't that some form of attempting to make the situation less serious than it is? Him going to the AD instead of the police speaks huge volumes to me about how seriously he took it. The crime is one of the most heinous ones someone could commit. Joe passed the buck to try and absolve himself of blame/having anything to do with doling out punishment. The face of Penn State and Penn State football doesn't have knowledge of something like this and only take it to the AD. Not being charged doesn't mean he's not guilty of anything here. I don't think any benefit of the doubt should be given to anyone with a situation of this magnitude.
 
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

Funny how a story sounds when you purposely don't include details.

Funny how you are also completely omitting key facts of Paterno's roll. And hiding behind "well, he reported it and is also not being charged."

Regardless of whether Paterno is charged with a crime in court the man still has accountability and still will be held to a higher standard. After all he is the "face of Penn State football" who will take all accolades when the program does well on and off the field but will also have people rush to "protect him" when something drastic happens. It's ok...we see it in many schools when a scandal comes up. The head coach takes all responsibility and pats on the back (and money) when the team wins and is popular.  But shockingly "knows nothing" and "had no idea, I wasn't involved" when something bad happens.  It's the perk of their jobs.

Do we know all the facts of this case yet? Not even close. We all can admit that.

Is Paterno likely to be charged with something? Likely not.

Does then then end his story? It does not.

What is trickling out now is information showing that at Paterno's school this former coach and friend was still allowed back on campus, was still allowed at preseason practices with juvenile guests, and was still earning a salary holding his own youth camps on Penn State campuses with their blessing. Up until 2009.

If you don't think Paterno shows no blame and shame in that you have your head completely in the sand.

Edit:  If that comes up blunt that is not my real intention. Rather we need to focus on who really has responsibilities here in a tragic case like this. Not so much at the time as much as AFTER the fact.


Which is EXACTLY why there is blame to be placed on Paterno....
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@ just "telling" the AD and thinking you're done w. it...especially in a SEXUAL ABUSE case of this nature
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*FWIW, no one is even suggesting Paterno go to jail or anything along those lines....but you would like to think that he would have done more in that situation.  The fact that Sandusky was STILL allowed on campus...using football facilites under both the AD's & Paterno's watch is negligent to the 1000th degree.  HOW does that happen...HOW is Paterno NOT going to be held accountable? 

Please answer that AF1    
 
Originally Posted by RyGuy45

Funnyhow a story sounds when you purposely don't include details.

Funnyhow you are also completely omitting key facts of Paterno's roll. And hiding behind "well, he reported it and isalso not being charged."

Regardless of whether Paterno is charged with acrime in court the man still has accountability and still will be held to ahigher standard. After all he is the "face of Penn State football"who will take all accolades when the program does well on and off the field butwill also have people rush to "protect him" when something drastichappens. It's ok...we see it in many schools when a scandal comes up. The headcoach takes all responsibility and pats on the back (and money) when the teamwins and is popular.  But shockingly "knows nothing" and"had no idea, I wasn't involved" when something bad happens. It's the perk of their jobs.

Do we know all the facts of this case yet? Noteven close. We all can admit that.

Is Paterno likely to be charged with something?Likely not.

Does then then end his story? It does not.

What is trickling out now is information showingthat at Paterno's school this former coach and friend was still allowed back oncampus, was still allowed at preseason practices with juvenile guests, and wasstill earning a salary holding his own youth camps on Penn State campuses withtheir blessing. Up until 2009.

If you don't think Paterno shows no blame andshame in that you have your head completely in the sand.

Edit:  If that comes up blunt that is not my real intention. Rather we need to focus on who really has responsibilities here in a tragic case like this. Not so much at the time as much as AFTER the fact.

No worries, I dont get easily butthurt like a lot of dudes on here. I 'm here to have an educated discussion on the story based on the information available to us. I appreciate that you have some actual insight on the topic and are able to carry out a mature discussion. 
With the facts I am given, I'll stand by my standpoint that Paterno shows no blame.

The way I see it, Paterno went to someone he thought he could trust but it turns out he couldn't. Should he have went to the police? Yes. Did he do it on purpose? As of right now, imo, it was a lack of judgement on his part. If it turns out he purposely didn't go to the police, then yes he should be charged to the fullest extent regardless of his "legend" status and regardless of his legacy. The law is the law and legends aren't immune from it. But as of right now until I get more information, I'll stand by my views. 

Got to put this out there, my condolences to the victims and their families. Sexual abuse at such a young age, smh. Messes up those kids for life, especially when the entire world is starting to find out about it. My prayers go out to them that they can move on from this. 

DoubleJ, I completely agree with you on that. That is something I will question Paterno on. The fact that he knew about it and yet still let him on campus is beyond me. You and I both won't know until the investigation continues and more information is leaked. I would like to read that 26-page report they have on this case. I don't know how he was able to have a camp for kids when people knew about that first incident that was reported. 
 
I think Paterno has to resign.  If he truly believes everything he preached and taught over the last five decades then he has to step down.  He already tarnished his legacy by letting this slide, the only way he can save any type of face is to admit he screwed up tremendously and resign.

No details or further facts are needed outside the official court document.  JoePa knew of the incident with McQueary and didn't do enough.  He did the bare minimum, tried to wash his hands of it and basically say "not my problem".  He KNEW and didn't do everything in his power to put a stop to it.  He easily could have prevented further incidents and didn't.  He has to go.  The other three need to be incarcerated for a long, long time.

This is by far the most disgusting collegiate scandal we've ever seen.  It's not even close.  Greed, boosters, point-shaving, etc don't hold a candle to this.  Statutory rape, molestation and a cover up?  This is one of the few sports stories I've ever read that makes me nauseous.  
 
Bottomline, Paterno should have gone to the police. Tell the AD too, but you can't just pass the buck when children are being harmed and say you followed the chain of command. If the Grand Jury didn't charge him that doesn't absolve him of all guilt, maybe in a legal sense but let's be honest... If you know about sexual abuse to children, then you go to the authorities.
 
Paterno speaks:

Penn State head coach Joe Paterno, responding to the scandal that has overtaken his university and his program, said in a statement released Sunday that he acted appropriately with the information he had in 2002 regarding child sexual abuse allegations against his former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.


"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters," Paterno said. "While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred."


Sandusky, who retired from coaching in 1999 after 32 years on Paterno's staff, was arrested Saturday on 40 charges that include felony sex crimes against children. Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and university vice president Gary Schultz have been charged with felony perjury in their grand jury testimony in the case, as well as failure to report to law enforcement what they knew about Sandusky's behavior.





Rest of article in the link:

http://espn.go.com/colleg...ays-true-were-all-fooled


*I'm going to change the thread title....
 
Dude started a foundation for kids so he could violate them. Doesnt get much more foul than that.
 
Originally Posted by Big J 33

Bottomline, Paterno should have gone to the police. Tell the AD too, but you can't just pass the buck when children are being harmed and say you followed the chain of command. If the Grand Jury didn't charge him that doesn't absolve him of all guilt, maybe in a legal sense but let's be honest... If you know about sexual abuse to children, then you go to the authorities.

And in reading his statement...WOW

But Paterno said in his statement that McQueary had not been specific with him.

"As my grand jury testimony stated," Joe Paterno said in the statement, "I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."



So, McQueary hadn't been specific w/ him....but Paterno didn't question him to EXACTLY what he saw?????  How does that happen?  Jesus H. Christ
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