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Originally Posted by denni5themenace
like in my current state? zero
if i was to go through all training camps and practices? still zero
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Sundiata Gaines would merk you man. He's a much better athlete than he looks on TV. Trust me.
All those dunks you did in that video, Yata was able to do in jeans without warming up. In high school.
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You understand jumping is just one component of athleticism right? I'm not one that's big for combine numbers because it's a closed environment, but I'd be willing to bet almost all these players have at least 30' verticals
Ramon Sessions? Are you serious?
Jimmer has a 33" inch vertical, is built like a tank and has outstanding body control
Steve Nash is a crazy good athlete
Sasha is a 6' *+*%%@@ 6" two guard who has good enough lateral quickness to guard the position. That's a below average athlete?
Chris Duhon. 35" vertical. 6'7" wingspan.
DJ Augustin. 35' vertical.
Jameer Nelson 34' vertical... Is he not explosive enough? I have no *+*%%@@ idea how he's a subpar athlete. Dude's an effective guard at 5'11"
Kikrk Hinrich can make an all defensive team but is a sub-par athlete?
All these measurements don't even take into effect quickness on the court which is much harder to quantify. No disrespect but you're in la la land if you think everyone you listed (with the exception of a couple) are subpar athletes. I've been around a high level of basketball my whole life so i'm not some dude just sitting behind a computer screen posting on nt and playing 2k12 all day
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Originally Posted by joegolfdad
You understand jumping is just one component of athleticism right? I'm not one that's big for combine numbers because it's a closed environment, but I'd be willing to bet almost all these players have at least 30' verticals
Ramon Sessions? Are you serious?
Jimmer has a 33" inch vertical, is built like a tank and has outstanding body control
Steve Nash is a crazy good athlete
Sasha is a 6' *+*%%@@ 6" two guard who has good enough lateral quickness to guard the position. That's a below average athlete?
Chris Duhon. 35" vertical. 6'7" wingspan.
DJ Augustin. 35' vertical.
Jameer Nelson 34' vertical... Is he not explosive enough? I have no *+*%%@@ idea how he's a subpar athlete. Dude's an effective guard at 5'11"
Kikrk Hinrich can make an all defensive team but is a sub-par athlete?
All these measurements don't even take into effect quickness on the court which is much harder to quantify. No disrespect but you're in la la land if you think everyone you listed (with the exception of a couple) are subpar athletes. I've been around a high level of basketball my whole life so i'm not some dude just sitting behind a computer screen posting on nt and playing 2k12 all day
YOk and I'm 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan and a 37 inch vert....Just stop it man. U don't have to be in the NBA to be a great athlete
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Sub-40" vertical is terrible
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There is definitely more to athleticism than vertical.
A guy like Steve Nash probably can't get 2 inches off the ground but makes up for it in everything else: conditioning, stamina, body control, agility, coordination, etc. etc. Just the fact that the dude is closer to his 40's than his 30's and is still running around like a 25 year old should tell you what kind of athlete Steve Nash is.
The guys Truth listed are all great athletes. If they look subpar on TV, it's probably because they're playing next to out of this world athletes so of course they're going to look unathletic
A guy like Sundiata Gaines - I went to high school with this guy. There is not a single doubt in my mind that if Gaines plays Truth 1v1 he would make Truth look like a toy.
A guy like Steve Nash probably can't get 2 inches off the ground but makes up for it in everything else: conditioning, stamina, body control, agility, coordination, etc. etc. Just the fact that the dude is closer to his 40's than his 30's and is still running around like a 25 year old should tell you what kind of athlete Steve Nash is.
The guys Truth listed are all great athletes. If they look subpar on TV, it's probably because they're playing next to out of this world athletes so of course they're going to look unathletic
A guy like Sundiata Gaines - I went to high school with this guy. There is not a single doubt in my mind that if Gaines plays Truth 1v1 he would make Truth look like a toy.
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Like I said, I don't even put stock in those numbers because basketball isn't played in a combine environment. Some people's reactionary athleticism, which is impossible to quantify, is very good even if they don't test well. JUMPING IS ONLY ONE COMPONENT OF ATHLETICISMOriginally Posted by MonStar1
Originally Posted by joegolfdad
You understand jumping is just one component of athleticism right? I'm not one that's big for combine numbers because it's a closed environment, but I'd be willing to bet almost all these players have at least 30' verticals
Ramon Sessions? Are you serious?
Jimmer has a 33" inch vertical, is built like a tank and has outstanding body control
Steve Nash is a crazy good athlete
Sasha is a 6' *+*%%@@ 6" two guard who has good enough lateral quickness to guard the position. That's a below average athlete?
Chris Duhon. 35" vertical. 6'7" wingspan.
DJ Augustin. 35' vertical.
Jameer Nelson 34' vertical... Is he not explosive enough? I have no *+*%%@@ idea how he's a subpar athlete. Dude's an effective guard at 5'11"
Kikrk Hinrich can make an all defensive team but is a sub-par athlete?
All these measurements don't even take into effect quickness on the court which is much harder to quantify. No disrespect but you're in la la land if you think everyone you listed (with the exception of a couple) are subpar athletes. I've been around a high level of basketball my whole life so i'm not some dude just sitting behind a computer screen posting on nt and playing 2k12 all day
YOk and I'm 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan and a 37 inch vert....Just stop it man. U don't have to be in the NBA to be a great athlete
I'm not saying you have to be a great athlete to be an NBA player... but you have to be a very good one. Being an "average" athlete by NBA standards still puts you in the top percentage of all people...
My uncle played in the Big East... Team went to the Sweet Sixteen or better three times, Was very quick but he would go play pickup with the Celtics and said it was a different story... Everyone was quick, and those that weren't (like Danny Ainge) were really long to make up for it.
Three kids have gone D1 from my high school in the last 5 years. One was a freak athlete in high school... 35+" vertical... even switched over to football for his 5th year and is playing a little on defense for a top 10 D-1AA team... He turned into a catch and shoot guy in college (he became very good at it)... I'd say he's probably very close to being an NBA-level ATHLETE but I'm not completely sure. And he is without a doubt more athletic than you.
Again no disrespect, but if my memory serves me right you played for an average division 3 school and put up average numbers... Maybe u didn't jive with the coach which i understand.... but if u had those vitals at that level of competition and weren't effective i'd say it's your feel for the game that needs work. That vertical would be the best or second best for a majority of mid to low major teams
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Originally Posted by joegolfdad
Like I said, I don't even put stock in those numbers because basketball isn't played in a combine environment. Some people's reactionary athleticism, which is impossible to quantify, is very good even if they don't test well. JUMPING IS ONLY ONE COMPONENT OF ATHLETICISMOriginally Posted by MonStar1
Originally Posted by joegolfdad
You understand jumping is just one component of athleticism right? I'm not one that's big for combine numbers because it's a closed environment, but I'd be willing to bet almost all these players have at least 30' verticals
Ramon Sessions? Are you serious?
Jimmer has a 33" inch vertical, is built like a tank and has outstanding body control
Steve Nash is a crazy good athlete
Sasha is a 6' *+*%%@@ 6" two guard who has good enough lateral quickness to guard the position. That's a below average athlete?
Chris Duhon. 35" vertical. 6'7" wingspan.
DJ Augustin. 35' vertical.
Jameer Nelson 34' vertical... Is he not explosive enough? I have no *+*%%@@ idea how he's a subpar athlete. Dude's an effective guard at 5'11"
Kikrk Hinrich can make an all defensive team but is a sub-par athlete?
All these measurements don't even take into effect quickness on the court which is much harder to quantify. No disrespect but you're in la la land if you think everyone you listed (with the exception of a couple) are subpar athletes. I've been around a high level of basketball my whole life so i'm not some dude just sitting behind a computer screen posting on nt and playing 2k12 all day
YOk and I'm 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan and a 37 inch vert....Just stop it man. U don't have to be in the NBA to be a great athlete
I'm not saying you have to be a great athlete to be an NBA player... but you have to be a very good one. Being an "average" athlete by NBA standards still puts you in the top percentage of all people...
My uncle played in the Big East... Team went to the Sweet Sixteen or better three times, Was very quick but he would go play pickup with the Celtics and said it was a different story... Everyone was quick, and those that weren't (like Danny Ainge) were really long to make up for it.
Three kids have gone D1 from my high school in the last 5 years. One was a freak athlete in high school... 35+" vertical... even switched over to football for his 5th year and is playing a little on defense for a top 10 D-1AA team... He turned into a catch awnd shoot guy in college (he became very good at it)... I'd say he's probably very close to being an NBA-level ATHLETE but I'm not completely sure. And he is without a doubt more athletic than you.
Again no disrespect, but if my memory serves me right you played for an average division 3 school and put up average numbers... Maybe u didn't jive with the coach which i understand.... but if u had those vitals at that level of competition and weren't effective i'd say it's your feel for the game that needs work. That vertical would be the best or second best for a majority of mid to low major teams
I respect where you are coming from but it seems like you guys keep changing the argument. We both admit you don't have to he a great athlete to play in the NBA, just have way of making up for it...skills, length, etcThen you start throwing out combine #s , but then say they don't matter....which one is it?I just find it funny that you guys can't accept that someone outside the NBA can keep up athletically. That has nothing to do with skill. Im sure sundiata is better than me...he's in the league for a reason. But don't say he's a better athlete cuz he gets a NBA check.
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I'd hit an open jumpshot. Most people have the ability to do that if the shot is created for them off of a drive and kick, or if its kicked out of the post to you.
Factors you guys are not considering;
- It's 48 minutes of NBA basketball! I doubt the majority of NT could make it through 1 quarter of professional ball, plus the court is bigger.
- You have to shoot over a 6' 7'' somebody with a 7' wingspan who is jumping toward you at a maximum height of probably 12 or so feet. Try going to a court by yourself and shooting NBA range 3 pointers and tell us how many you make? Maybe 3 for 10. Shooting over someone that tall is not that easy.
- There is no way anyone is dribbling into the paint with the ball. You will be get a 5 second call or stripped.
MornStar looks like he's a good athlete and can play ball. I'm sure he can keep up in a pro-am or semi-pro run. But realistically I don't see him consistently scoring more than 2 or 3 points in a NBA game and he's NTs best shot
I've played against Jeremy Lin in middle school and high school. Ryan Anderson in high school. Ran with Martel Webster and a few D-League players at my college LMU. Also ran at UCLA too which always has an alumni, pro or semi-pro in the gym. My boy played at Princeton, plays in the San Francisco Pro-Am and is currently playing overseas in Germany. My other boys from high school are currently playing at U of New Mexico and Eastern Washington U.
There is no way people are putting up more than one basket that's a wiiiiiiide open shot.
Factors you guys are not considering;
- It's 48 minutes of NBA basketball! I doubt the majority of NT could make it through 1 quarter of professional ball, plus the court is bigger.
- You have to shoot over a 6' 7'' somebody with a 7' wingspan who is jumping toward you at a maximum height of probably 12 or so feet. Try going to a court by yourself and shooting NBA range 3 pointers and tell us how many you make? Maybe 3 for 10. Shooting over someone that tall is not that easy.
- There is no way anyone is dribbling into the paint with the ball. You will be get a 5 second call or stripped.
MornStar looks like he's a good athlete and can play ball. I'm sure he can keep up in a pro-am or semi-pro run. But realistically I don't see him consistently scoring more than 2 or 3 points in a NBA game and he's NTs best shot
I've played against Jeremy Lin in middle school and high school. Ryan Anderson in high school. Ran with Martel Webster and a few D-League players at my college LMU. Also ran at UCLA too which always has an alumni, pro or semi-pro in the gym. My boy played at Princeton, plays in the San Francisco Pro-Am and is currently playing overseas in Germany. My other boys from high school are currently playing at U of New Mexico and Eastern Washington U.
There is no way people are putting up more than one basket that's a wiiiiiiide open shot.
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MonStar1 wrote:
Originally Posted by Put em up
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im pretty sure 3 people in this thread are over 6ft.
and out of those 3 maybe 1 has dunked before
NBA players are like Thor in most of you guys eyes because you've never been an athlete at any level.
ive played against a elite nba before(Durant), role player NBA players(Lawson, Blanch, Shawn Williams and Sam Young) and major D1 players.
trust me when i tell you, if one of them dudes say this bamma right here isnt going to score one bucket this game(no sagging d and no uncontested jump shots for you)...believe me you wont score.
same here. you think ty lawson can stop me from scoring for 48mins? he wont ever double the post? he wont rotate on help d? hes gonna chase down block my lay-ups? effff outta here
why you keep saying 48 mins? you not playing 48...pointblank...
are you gonna get trained to prepare you for this nba? no...so that mean the shape your in now is not gonna cut it.
like i said if he said you not scoring you not scoring. that means every shot is contested and no, hes not helping off.
lets say you play against OKC...russell, idk if you keep up with basketball...but did you ever watch what he did to OJ Mayo when they played SC? kid is a animal on the defensive end of the court.
the funny thing to me is you really think your gonna get 10 points.
1. this guy is bigger, faster, quicker, and stronger then you. plus hes gonna put a hand up on every shot you attempt.
2. please explain how you gonna score 5 buckets in the half court with Serg and Perkins waiting on the back line and Durant lurking? stop it.
3. that one dribble pull up is not gonna get you enough separation to get a clean look.
4. you gonna come down and have to play d on westbrook. Thats gonna beat you up so much. you wont have nothing for the Offense.
5. therefore your not playing 48.
6. so you want somebody to create a shot for you? drive and kick...nah, you gotta get a legit bucket out there.
7. at 6'2 im pretty sure your gonna be ask to run the Offense, not playing off the ball...so now you gotta run the O and get 10 points. like lets be real.
them dudes are gonna treat you like the Colts...nobody wants to lose to them. Meaning nobody is gonna want to the guy that gives up a bucket to a guy off the streets in a real nba game.
yea you might have played pick up ball with d1 and nba players...that cool. But when that money on the line...scholarship money or a paycheck. and they tell them "hey Westbrooke your assignment tonight is a no name. Fresh off the streets and he thinks he gonna come in and get 10 pt." You seriously think thats gonna happen...child please.
rant...at work trying to burn some time.
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you're arguing against yourself.Originally Posted by MonStar1
what does that have to do with the question?
Darius Washington isn't out the league because he isn't a great athlete. It's a combination of skill, attitude, bball IQ, and personal goals thats kept him out the league.
Look at Gerald Green and James White and countless other athletes. NBA is the best athletes in the world who can play basketball not just the best athletes.
and where did you play college ball again?
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why you keep saying 48 mins? you not playing 48...pointblank...
are you gonna get trained to prepare you for this nba? no...so that mean the shape your in now is not gonna cut it.
like i said if he said you not scoring you not scoring. that means every shot is contested and no, hes not helping off.
lets say you play against OKC...russell, idk if you keep up with basketball...but did you ever watch what he did to OJ Mayo when they played SC? kid is a animal on the defensive end of the court.
the funny thing to me is you really think your gonna get 10 points.
1. this guy is bigger, faster, quicker, and stronger then you. plus hes gonna put a hand up on every shot you attempt.
2. please explain how you gonna score 5 buckets in the half court with Serg and Perkins waiting on the back line and Durant lurking? stop it.
3. that one dribble pull up is not gonna get you enough separation to get a clean look.
4. you gonna come down and have to play d on westbrook. Thats gonna beat you up so much. you wont have nothing for the Offense.
5. therefore your not playing 48.
6. so you want somebody to create a shot for you? drive and kick...nah, you gotta get a legit bucket out there.
7. at 6'2 im pretty sure your gonna be ask to run the Offense, not playing off the ball...so now you gotta run the O and get 10 points. like lets be real.
them dudes are gonna treat you like the Colts...nobody wants to lose to them. Meaning nobody is gonna want to the guy that gives up a bucket to a guy off the streets in a real nba game.
yea you might have played pick up ball with d1 and nba players...that cool. But when that money on the line...scholarship money or a paycheck. and they tell them "hey Westbrooke your assignment tonight is a no name. Fresh off the streets and he thinks he gonna come in and get 10 pt." You seriously think thats gonna happen...child please.
rant...at work trying to burn some time.
Why do I have to score all my points in the half court? Why can't I score off an assist when that's part of basketball? And NBA pace and college is different. Nobody gets strapped like that due to the rules and 24 shot clock. We can have different options but i know what can do. Also I'm in game shape right now so Idk why u keep assuming ill be gassed after one quarter
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I'm 6'2" with a 6'3" wingspan, a manager for a d1 team, and had a 30 inch vertical and could do every single one of those dunks you did off the lob to myself. So its not that impressive.Originally Posted by MonStar1
Originally Posted by joegolfdad
You understand jumping is just one component of athleticism right? I'm not one that's big for combine numbers because it's a closed environment, but I'd be willing to bet almost all these players have at least 30' verticals
Ramon Sessions? Are you serious?
Jimmer has a 33" inch vertical, is built like a tank and has outstanding body control
Steve Nash is a crazy good athlete
Sasha is a 6' *+*%%@@ 6" two guard who has good enough lateral quickness to guard the position. That's a below average athlete?
Chris Duhon. 35" vertical. 6'7" wingspan.
DJ Augustin. 35' vertical.
Jameer Nelson 34' vertical... Is he not explosive enough? I have no *+*%%@@ idea how he's a subpar athlete. Dude's an effective guard at 5'11"
Kikrk Hinrich can make an all defensive team but is a sub-par athlete?
All these measurements don't even take into effect quickness on the court which is much harder to quantify. No disrespect but you're in la la land if you think everyone you listed (with the exception of a couple) are subpar athletes. I've been around a high level of basketball my whole life so i'm not some dude just sitting behind a computer screen posting on nt and playing 2k12 all day
YOk and I'm 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan and a 37 inch vert....Just stop it man. U don't have to be in the NBA to be a great athlete
I'm not saying you couldn't score in an NBA game because I believe you could...but those numbers you said you would put up are completely false.
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id probably hit one mid ranger jumper so 2 points
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Why do you keep talking about a 24 shot clock like it's going to work for you, and not against you? A lot of rookies say that one of the hardest thing to adjust to when they first come to the nba is the 24 shot clock.
You're in game for whatever semi pro league you're in, fine. But in game for that league and in game shape for the NBA are two different things. I'd wager Allen Iverson is in game shape for whatever league you play at right now, and all he probably does is smoke weed and sit around
It's just obvious to me that you're a little gassed because you've played pickup against a couple d1 players, NBA players, or ex-NBA players. I mean, I'm sure you got a good run in and all but nothing's going to replicate an NBA paced game with NBA level intensity except an actual NBA game, which is what the original question was asking.
I mean - I've just watched a whole summer of NBA players playing pickup. I wasn't impressed by the games man. I'm sure some of my boys can drop buckets in pickup games like that too, man... but if they were in a real NBA game they are all getting locked up, and they'll admit it. Why can't you?
