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What are the holes under the insole for ? I was always told its where the air bag is filled up, but now Im starting to second guess myself.
Early Jordan Release INFO. Its time everyone knows.
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What are the holes under the insole for ? I was always told its where the air bag is filled up, but now Im starting to second guess myself.
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Those 45 XI jordan concords had da "NOT FOR SALE PROPERTY OF NIKE" Inside da wall of da heel, no other "promo" or restock had that.No way you makin fakes with that kind of stamp...period...da more & more evidenceI see da more it just leads to it being grey market kicks...carbon fiberIsn't something that can be replicated by a 2 bit fake producer..its veryComplex & very expensive.
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^ it actually said "property of nike USA" which is NOT what authentic samples are stamped as. sorry
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Guys, plenty of companies try to capitalize on every market for their own products by producing lesser quality items to appease everyone who would be buying early, later, fakes etc. Some people are defending/bashing Nike and other sellers like these people are holy and exempt from the games of capitalism. It's all about the money and nobody cares about consumers on a personal level. Buy more sneakers. /Rant
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Hey Ninja...
The thing is the 45 Concords were in fact "un authorized" produced products. AR has access to just about everything and folks you can imagine. Dudes good.
But they aren't real in the NT perspective...but its like trying to tell two folks arguing you are both right..
But dudes like heathen thinks he knows every single thing about this game that there is to know..... yet Im the one talkin out of the side of my neck.
May he find out every shoe he owns is worth about as much as Nike originally pays to have them produced lolol
The thing is the 45 Concords were in fact "un authorized" produced products. AR has access to just about everything and folks you can imagine. Dudes good.
But they aren't real in the NT perspective...but its like trying to tell two folks arguing you are both right..
But dudes like heathen thinks he knows every single thing about this game that there is to know..... yet Im the one talkin out of the side of my neck.
May he find out every shoe he owns is worth about as much as Nike originally pays to have them produced lolol
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My bro purchased the white and red XII from Osneaker. We compared them to the Countdown XII [Cuz we didn't have any other XII from 09] and surprisingly they were fake
. We noticed off the bat from looking at the tag OUTSIDE the box. THERE WAS NO DETACHED PRICE TAG, JUST THE TAG. The insoles weren't glue, and the "Greatest Player" line on one the back of one the shoes were cut off from the midsoles. It's unbelieveable, these high quality fakes didn't start with the XI; they started way back.
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there are samples that get stamped PROPERTY OF NIKE USA
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Originally Posted by MINOTAURO NOGUEIRA
My bro purchased the white and red XII from Osneaker. We compared them to the Countdown XII [Cuz we didn't have any other XII from 09] and surprisingly they were fake. We noticed off the bat from looking at the tag OUTSIDE the box. THERE WAS NO DETACHED PRICE TAG, JUST THE TAG. The insoles weren't glue, and the "Greatest Player" line on one the back of one the shoes were cut off from the midsoles. It's unbelieveable, these high quality fakes didn't start with the XI; they started way back.
The Price tag isn't included on boxes made for markets outside of the US. European and Asian markets (the ones I've ordered from before) have the smooth tag instead of the perforated edge, mostly because for those markets Nike's got to deal with a bunch of different currencies, so it isn't as easy as just tagging it with an MSRP in dollars and letting them convert it to the amount of the day. That's not to say the XIIs from Osneaker aren't fake, but the tag isn't a solid indicator.
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Yep that's true but that holds true for anyone who has a love for these shoes, all of these shoes were made for pennies on the dollar by Nike. What's your point? At the end of the day that's not what we buy them for nor is it what they're actually worth on the open market. That's an idiotic statement if I ever heard one, FCNY didn't give me a few dollars and some change for the 200+ pairs I've put up for consignment through them in the past. Nor do any of us buy these shoes for loose change, what Nike pays to produce these shoes is one thing, what we pay and sell these shoes for is completely another.
I get it, you feel for the factory workers, you respect these early release sites hustle, you hate Nike's business practices and you're just representing the other side of this whole thing. Cool, good for you, doesn't mean that your side is justified, if you feel that these "unauthorized" shoes are kosher doesn't mean I have to be okay with them. Doesn't mean I have to not worry about where my next purchase comes from.
If you're okay with buying and selling that crap, more power to you, but I'm not going to stop voicing the truth about these websites (all of them). BTW how about you tell us which ones I listed are the ones you feel are kosher? Who do you ride with? Osneaker? Mentalkicks? RMKstore? Marqueesole? Footalog? How about you come forth and start really dropping knowledge instead of being all mysterious. You know more than me, but then you say it's just an opinion. You're taking a real flimsy stance while trying to sound real sure about yourself. I however am not claiming to be a know it all, I just know through my own experiences and through the testimonials of others that these sites are bad news. Been around long enough not to let your psuedo-ambiguity sway my opinion.
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^^This dude.. lol
Im a nobody bruh.... I roll with myself. I dont work for nor represent any of the aforementioned stores my man.
I sort of make it up as I go along.
Im a nobody bruh.... I roll with myself. I dont work for nor represent any of the aforementioned stores my man.
I sort of make it up as I go along.
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Uh huh, you said yourself "as someone close to the situation" in another thread.
BTW, hows Nike Inc treating you? I know you work for them, funny how you bash your own company's business practices.
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@ND, this is your quote....
Promo-Shoes.com, Air-Randy.com, or marqueesole.com
Just to give some insight on what the folks at Jordan and Nike think about certain sites and give some insight on speculation and assumptions given so far: It could get lost in this thread since we are 10 pages in, but I have explained this before to help people get a better perspective on stuff.
First:
Fakes aren't made MERELY from Molds. This is the way things USED to happen but Molds are also associated with files that designers put their designs on. The molds have to be MADE from something. You can't just MAKE a mold. It doesnt consist of just placing material over a mold and bam a shoe is created.
Some factories which are contracted by Nike produce a surplus of shoes, which also have materials NOT originally fabricated FOR the shoe which is being produced. Hence other colors and slight material variations which you see on High Quality Fakes.
You also have the sweatshop back room counterfeitting operations which use their own materials and the shoes are not produced to specs but are pretty close due to Molds being sold to them.
Samples just for clarification can come in ANY size. Not just size 9 or 13. You have Look See Samples, Production Samples and Salemen Samples. There are a few other types of Samples, but those are the main one's.
Air-Randy is not getting their shoes legitly from Nike at all, and the Folks at Jordan are and continue to be Highly Ticked at them getting these shoes and showing them online when they do.
Just to clarify: When the first Fusion AF 12's were shown, it is a FACT that only two samples had been produced for HQ. The day the Sample box arrived it arrived one short. The Next Day Air-Randy had it on his site and they revealed on NT.
Jordan was very Salty. Not sure what Nike Legal did IF anything, and if they continue to do nothing, it really doesn't matter, it only shows they don't support the company by allowing it to continue by not sending a cease and desist letter to Air-Randy.
I know that Air-Randy has also blantantly lifted pictures and images from BabyDills site before, which doesn't lend much credibility to him from jump street at all, if you need to steal images in order to push your own "product"
As for Marquee Sole- They are a mystery to even the folks at Nike. Speculation there (at Nike) is someone is gettin additional boxes of Shoes out at the Factory in some shape or form and selling them on the site.
Nike isn't too happy about that, but they can't control Security at Production Facilities when they Contract them to Police themselves. So as long as whoever is getting the product out of the door, Marquee Sole will be in business.
I will say, if you are not getting boxes with your shoes, this is because those shoes are leaving the factory in something other than a box. Say a Duffel bag or trash bag.
As for Promo Shoes-
I dealt with Dennis when I first got into Internet purchasing on eBay back in 99-2000. It's also how I found out I got jolted by buying fakes. High Quality.. but fake none the less. I heard Dennis still makes good coin selling stuff thru Kitty*** but also sells Authentic stuff as well.
I wouldn't take a chance on the Authentic stuff, only because it rarely comes with a box and Promos stuff is so High Quality that it could be mixed in with the Real stuff and most wouldn't know the difference in AT Nike.
I am cool with several folks who Push or work for these online sites, and that's their Hustle. I don't knock it. I have worked on Fakes for almost 5 years shutting down sites and ebay auctions and helped people dealing with fake dealers, but I have realized this.
If Nike wants to take baby steps in cutting down fakes, its on them and at the risk of billions a year from their bottom line. If they don't mind, why should I at this point. I don't support fakes, so I am not bothered by them.
If someone however is selling shoes by the Dozens and dozens at 100% profit, shouldn't the shoes cost YOU the Consumer LESS, not MORE than retail? Especially if they are ONLY a General Release? It's not like they are a Player Exclusive and have a limited run of 12 or 16 pairs.
Just wondering.
I am of the opinion like a few others. I prefer to rock my kicks when no one else is. So if that means wearing them a few months or years after its release so be it. But having them months in advance isn't so great, cause who will really know unless you're an NTer?
Wearing shoes that WON"T release is where it's at for me! lol
@NikeDealer AKA RockDeep....This is a quote directly from this thread. http://niketalk.yuku.com/...-Ro?page=12#.Tt1Ztc3xSFw that you wrote...You yourself testify that you know these people firsthand, you wouldn't cop from any of them, and now you're taking a different stance...
Why the contradiction? Let's not mention the fact that you're a known scammer.
Promo-Shoes.com, Air-Randy.com, or marqueesole.com
Just to give some insight on what the folks at Jordan and Nike think about certain sites and give some insight on speculation and assumptions given so far: It could get lost in this thread since we are 10 pages in, but I have explained this before to help people get a better perspective on stuff.
First:
Fakes aren't made MERELY from Molds. This is the way things USED to happen but Molds are also associated with files that designers put their designs on. The molds have to be MADE from something. You can't just MAKE a mold. It doesnt consist of just placing material over a mold and bam a shoe is created.
Some factories which are contracted by Nike produce a surplus of shoes, which also have materials NOT originally fabricated FOR the shoe which is being produced. Hence other colors and slight material variations which you see on High Quality Fakes.
You also have the sweatshop back room counterfeitting operations which use their own materials and the shoes are not produced to specs but are pretty close due to Molds being sold to them.
Samples just for clarification can come in ANY size. Not just size 9 or 13. You have Look See Samples, Production Samples and Salemen Samples. There are a few other types of Samples, but those are the main one's.
Air-Randy is not getting their shoes legitly from Nike at all, and the Folks at Jordan are and continue to be Highly Ticked at them getting these shoes and showing them online when they do.
Just to clarify: When the first Fusion AF 12's were shown, it is a FACT that only two samples had been produced for HQ. The day the Sample box arrived it arrived one short. The Next Day Air-Randy had it on his site and they revealed on NT.
Jordan was very Salty. Not sure what Nike Legal did IF anything, and if they continue to do nothing, it really doesn't matter, it only shows they don't support the company by allowing it to continue by not sending a cease and desist letter to Air-Randy.
I know that Air-Randy has also blantantly lifted pictures and images from BabyDills site before, which doesn't lend much credibility to him from jump street at all, if you need to steal images in order to push your own "product"
As for Marquee Sole- They are a mystery to even the folks at Nike. Speculation there (at Nike) is someone is gettin additional boxes of Shoes out at the Factory in some shape or form and selling them on the site.
Nike isn't too happy about that, but they can't control Security at Production Facilities when they Contract them to Police themselves. So as long as whoever is getting the product out of the door, Marquee Sole will be in business.
I will say, if you are not getting boxes with your shoes, this is because those shoes are leaving the factory in something other than a box. Say a Duffel bag or trash bag.
As for Promo Shoes-
I dealt with Dennis when I first got into Internet purchasing on eBay back in 99-2000. It's also how I found out I got jolted by buying fakes. High Quality.. but fake none the less. I heard Dennis still makes good coin selling stuff thru Kitty*** but also sells Authentic stuff as well.
I wouldn't take a chance on the Authentic stuff, only because it rarely comes with a box and Promos stuff is so High Quality that it could be mixed in with the Real stuff and most wouldn't know the difference in AT Nike.
I am cool with several folks who Push or work for these online sites, and that's their Hustle. I don't knock it. I have worked on Fakes for almost 5 years shutting down sites and ebay auctions and helped people dealing with fake dealers, but I have realized this.
If Nike wants to take baby steps in cutting down fakes, its on them and at the risk of billions a year from their bottom line. If they don't mind, why should I at this point. I don't support fakes, so I am not bothered by them.
If someone however is selling shoes by the Dozens and dozens at 100% profit, shouldn't the shoes cost YOU the Consumer LESS, not MORE than retail? Especially if they are ONLY a General Release? It's not like they are a Player Exclusive and have a limited run of 12 or 16 pairs.
Just wondering.
I am of the opinion like a few others. I prefer to rock my kicks when no one else is. So if that means wearing them a few months or years after its release so be it. But having them months in advance isn't so great, cause who will really know unless you're an NTer?
Wearing shoes that WON"T release is where it's at for me! lol
@NikeDealer AKA RockDeep....This is a quote directly from this thread. http://niketalk.yuku.com/...-Ro?page=12#.Tt1Ztc3xSFw that you wrote...You yourself testify that you know these people firsthand, you wouldn't cop from any of them, and now you're taking a different stance...
Why the contradiction? Let's not mention the fact that you're a known scammer.
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Yep, if u peep some of dj clark kent's air force I's they got da exact same stamp.
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Ive worked at a butcher shop and we throw the scraps out
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Just to clarify: When the first Fusion AF 12's were shown, it is a FACT that only two samples had been produced for HQ. The day the Sample box arrived it arrived one short. The Next Day Air-Randy had it on his site and they revealed on NT.
Jordan was very Salty. Not sure what Nike Legal did IF anything, and if they continue to do nothing, it really doesn't matter, it only shows they don't support the company by allowing it to continue by not sending a cease and desist letter to Air-Randy.
I remember this. how did he get a pair to show?
Jordan was very Salty. Not sure what Nike Legal did IF anything, and if they continue to do nothing, it really doesn't matter, it only shows they don't support the company by allowing it to continue by not sending a cease and desist letter to Air-Randy.
I remember this. how did he get a pair to show?
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What really concerns me is that this local sneakerstore in Toronto, which offers consignments too, has been known to be 100% legit. I called them in October and they claimed to have a full size run of the 2011 Concord XI's for $280... I asked if they were B grade or Promo shoe's he insisted they were the same shoes dropping in December... I'm sure they bought stock from VMV INC, Air Randy, etc...
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SDS? What's the website to "SDS"?
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Stores are now purchasing them from them cheaper than they would from wholesale suppliers. The prices I have been offered by overseas early sellers is far cheaper than the price for retail pairs from wholesale suppliers....That should tell you something about the shoes.
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nice avy, slamdunkspace.com
proceed with caution.
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You may all have your ideas of word on where these 'quality fakes' are coming from but why would fakes use real carbon fiber? Carbon fiber is reall expensive, and the way you check is authenticity is to knock on it and compare the sound to real carbon fiber.
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Youre really misguided. Air Randy's sneakers are not 100% legitimate. Those 45 sample Concords are not authentic. Its easily to doctor pairs to make them like like that if you have the know how. There is even a tutorial on the other site that teaches you how to replace the number on the back on Jordan XIs. And that sample tag is probably nothing more than iron on adhesive. This guy doesnt work with Nike and doesn't represent them. Dennis is a hustler, plain and simple. If he had a website that sold A+ fakes a couple of years ago (Kitty Pig), what makes you think he doesnt have the access to make 1:1 quality replicas of upcoming sneakers? These days, China can fake a lot more things than you know. So much in fact that Louis Vuitton Millionaire, Evidence, and Bindi sunglasses dont even command the type of resale value that they once did. Why? Because mirror quality ones started surfacing using the similar materials and near perfect construction flooded the market.
He definitely has the power to smuggle molds and make perfect replicas of them, tags and all. This black market is united and is a way for vastly underpaid workers to live a decent life. These promo releases are giving the people what they want, older retro style quality and better shapes. And its going to come back to bite Nike in the butt big time since they choose to lightly tread around the problem and look the other way.
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"You may all have your ideas of word on where"
"Carbon fiber is reall expensive, and the way you check is authenticity"
Your data is flawed, your grammar is pitiful, and your methodology is ridiculous.
This is the mental image that forms when I read your posts.
"You may all have your ideas of word on where"
"Carbon fiber is reall expensive, and the way you check is authenticity"
Your data is flawed, your grammar is pitiful, and your methodology is ridiculous.
This is the mental image that forms when I read your posts.
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dude could be right ...or wrong who cares just wait until the release date so all these sites wont make money off impatient people trying to look "cooler" than the next guy
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im sorry, but you don't get this type of stamp on a shoe if it isn't directly from a nike factory...its unprecedented.
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so why is it that he and all these other sites ALWAYS are da first to break pics of upcoming sneakers? and im not talking about just jordans, look at all those foamposites, look at daOriginally Posted by ninjahood
im sorry, but you don't get this type of stamp on a shoe if it isn't directly from a nike factory...its unprecedented.
regular nikes like da duke uptempos, pippens, lebrons, etc. every single allegation thats been pinned on these guys as far as da kicks being flat out "fake" have all been circumstantial
at best. there hasn't been a "smoking gun" in this whole saga other then da fact that it was revealed that certain retros have been recently remanufactured, but if its all from authentic
nike/JB materials then i dont see where da foul play is other then how u morally look at whats been going down VS its intrinsic value.
That tag is easier to replicate than you think. If you know the typeface that they use, you can recreate it with ease. As far as the process, the lettering is ironed on, just like the Jumpman and Nike Air is on the inside of the shoe. but answer me this: lets say Air Randy has pairs of Red/White/Black Jordan 1s for sale and based them off the 1994 retros. JB hasnt even mentioned retroing these. Its okay to purchase them then?
Something is definitely shady about Air Randy. take the Dave White Jordan 1s that hes selling. No confirmed release date has even been set. And he's had pairs for sale during the summer. He has Banned 1s (a scrapped release that only were sold at select outlets in the United States), even though he's located in China. And he has pairs of other shoes for sale that have only been shown in a catalogue pic, such as the Pink GS IVs. If that doesnt spell suspect, I don't know what does. If you want to cop from him, thats fine and Im not going to judge you. But to sit up here and front like Air Randy is a authorized Nike retalier is perposterous.
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