?
I mean if you gay its cool.
I'm not. But thanks for the red-herring.
Again, i'm not gay.
Like Dr. Umar Johnson?
Pathetic.
Because I don't cite homosexuality as the cause for world hunger then all of a sudden i'm a closet homosexual.
I LOVE that consistency in logic.
You don't hate gays... that means you secretly dream about penis!
First he didnt blame homosexuality about everything.
Oh really?
what was 60-70% of his speech on then?
Yet you neglected to acknowledge them. Ironic.
My focal point was that a clear and definite majority of his speech focused on homosexuality.
That was HIS decision.
Not mine.
I also spoke on things I agreed with in CLEAR detail.
I showed my PROOF that I payed attention.
I mean out of iuno 7-8 paragraphs in your response. A good 6 were about how ignorant he sounds saying homosexuality is a problem in the black community. So for me to say your main/majority of your response was about homosexuality is in fact accurate.
The length of my response does not impact the validity or the content of my response.
Additionally, my address of homosexuality in his rant was PROPORTIONAL to the extent of time he touched on it in his own rants.
If you're not gay then what do you have to worry about?
See the point?
Ive never said homosexuality is wrong. To me it isnt a right or wrong type of thing. As so often as you put it a black and white thing.
So why blame them for the ills in the black community?
But to say it doesnt effect the black community, or effects the black population is ludicris.
Why are you selectively choosing ONLY the black community.
You act like we're the only ones that eat watermelon and eat chicken.
You all love to moan about how unfair your treatment is but the at the same time reinforce your separation from others.
You can't have it both ways.
OK...thats if lesbian couples choose not to bear children or gay males dont' donate sperm.
The reproductive faculties ARE present, they're just not being used.
False.
Being gay does not make you MORE HIV positive...its behaviors associated with HIDING being gay that puts you at a higher risk. Hiding that you're being downlow and the sensitivity of anal sex increases the risk of HIV transmission...not just being gay.
Rampid = Rampant
On top of that, just because you want to see everyone dress up in suits doesn't mean they will.
Get over it.
The world doesn't work the way YOU want it to.
So, why don't you offer more representations to counter that?
Its not a conspiracy. Its just whats out there. Go change it then my brother.
That doesn't mean you're more Gay.
On top of that, did Adam Sandler just not do a movie where he plays his sister?
This has what to do with gays?
This has what to do with gays?
This has what to do with gays?
So what are you accomplishing by targeting them?
You say you dont like the images...so are you just saying you're going to tolerant or you're going to get rid of them?
So why is it being treated as a scapegoat?
Shows like Glee and all that aren't forcing people to be gay.
They're showing that gay people are normal people.
Shows like the Cosby Show weren't forcing people to be black...they were showing people that we were normal people capable of living normal lives.
Your post history doesn't matter to me.
I care about the here and now.
Right now, you're using homosexuals as a scapegoat for the ineptitude of single mothers or people to mobilize and create their own media.
Because homosexuality isn't the reason earthquakes happen.
Stop blaming stuff that has NO effect on what you're getting at.
Its like me blaming black people for the fall of the government in Indochina in the 60s.
Because I think its unfair to blame something thats completely unrelated? Yeah thats fair.
Black people have MORE rights than gays do in this country...yet you want to blame them for your kid seeing two men kiss in a movie.
It doesn't hit home personally.
I dont have any gay family members.
I'm not gay.
In fact most of my immediate family is pretty homophobic.
I'm just smart enough to know that my view of the world isn't enough and that there are other perspectives out there that need just as much advocacy and legitimacy as our own.
There is no need to act like the black struggle is the ONLY struggle.
So stop saying i'm gay with every post.
What if I started saying that you're a scorned porch monkey for always championing black rights.
Wouldn't you be hurt?
Of course i'd NEVER say something like that, but i'm not going to delegitimize your pursuit for black rights...because those are HUMAN and CIVIL rights. They're not just for black people but ALL people.
Oh really? Whats this: http://niketalk.yuku.com/...aker-Child-Psychologist-
why do people get upset when nonblacks say it?Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
"We act like over grown children who take their allowance and run to the candy store. Slavery has taught us that we will forever be the children of white people. So we will allow our Slave Masters to take care of the important decisions while we use our income to have fun"
TOOOO MUCH TRUTH!!!
Originally Posted by ThunderChunk69
why do people get upset when nonblacks say it?Originally Posted by Ace Rawstein
"We act like over grown children who take their allowance and run to the candy store. Slavery has taught us that we will forever be the children of white people. So we will allow our Slave Masters to take care of the important decisions while we use our income to have fun"
TOOOO MUCH TRUTH!!!
if Dominicans felt like you claim Israelis do, I would consider that racism, but I don't
Originally Posted by ThunderChunk69
if Dominicans felt like you claim Israelis do, I would consider that racism, but I don't
in fact you said we were black before, now we're not black?
maybe Method Man should make a pic of you denying Dominicans are black?
Dominicans are only black when it's used as an example to show "self black hate"
and for that I just
I'm not going to argue like there isnt racism or self hate in the Dominican community, but I do hope you enjoy this thread.
Peace.
Doubt it.
Of course not!
Originally Posted by goldenchild9
Originally Posted by ThunderChunk69
if Dominicans felt like you claim Israelis do, I would consider that racism, but I don't
in fact you said we were black before, now we're not black?
maybe Method Man should make a pic of you denying Dominicans are black?
Dominicans are only black when it's used as an example to show "self black hate"
and for that I just
I'm not going to argue like there isnt racism or self hate in the Dominican community, but I do hope you enjoy this thread.
Peace.
There are black Dominicans and there are whiteDominicans.
Those shallow andinaccurate racial classifications are just that, shallow andinaccurate.
Community is about shared culture, ideology and interaction moreso than ethnic or racial classification. Thats why you have some people who would be physically classified as black but their mentalitieseffectivelymake them members of the white socio-political community.
I'm all for honestly talking about the problems in the BLACK AND LATINO community because wehavea lot of similar issues but don't just antagonize and post 1 liners, which you and others have a habit of doing, then wonder why people might take yourcritiquethe wrong way...
Originally Posted by sillyputty
Of course not!
When they do it, its cause they're nasty and immoral and born that way
When we do it, its an epidemic and a choice!
That would only show how black people tend to be just as self-interested as everyone else.
Forbid they remember what they went through actually identify with the struggles of others and learn that the world doesn't revolve around them!
This was my point.
Why does this Umar guy focus so much of his attention on it then?
I'm only defending homosexuals because they're being used as a scape-goat and red-herring in a vast majority of his speaking points.
I mean out of iuno 7-8 paragraphs in your response. A good 6 were about how ignorant he sounds saying homosexuality is a problem in the black community. So for me to say your main/majority of your response was about homosexuality is in fact accurate.
The length of my response does not impact the validity or the content of my response.
It in fact does. If you were to right a paper and its was 10 paragraphs and 8 were about one subject and the title was synonomous with those 8 paragraphs anyone reading the paper would say your focal point of the paper was the title and the 8 paragraphs.
Additionally, my address of homosexuality in his rant was PROPORTIONAL to the extent of time he touched on it in his own rants.
If you're not gay then what do you have to worry about?
See the point?
um no that doesnt even address the subject/content in which he used homosexuality. and why would i be worried doesnt even make sense or correlate to the subject.
Ive never said homosexuality is wrong. To me it isnt a right or wrong type of thing. As so often as you put it a black and white thing.
So why blame them for the ills in the black community?
he didnt, he stated that as well as others the over-emphasis of homosexual/metro males. and under-emphasis of males in respects of father/mother dynamic in society is a cause. i didnt hear him once elude to any aspect of homosexuality leads to detriment to the black community. he specified it to blacks, moreso the prominance of promoting it as oppose to strong father figures in the aspect of a mother/father family nucleus.
But to say it doesnt effect the black community, or effects the black population is ludicris.
Why are you selectively choosing ONLY the black community.
Um because the speaker is giving his stance on the BLACK COMMUNITY thats why. The subject topic isnt about all other races. its about blacks and the black community, so why would he touch on other races and communities when its not relevant to the topic he is discussing?
You act like we're the only ones that eat watermelon and eat chicken.
You all love to moan about how unfair your treatment is but the at the same time reinforce your separation from others.
You can't have it both ways.
OK...thats if lesbian couples choose not to bear children or gay males dont' donate sperm.
The reproductive faculties ARE present, they're just not being used.
Ok so its a non factor so why mention it.
False.
Being gay does not make you MORE HIV positive...its behaviors associated with HIDING being gay that puts you at a higher risk. Hiding that you're being downlow and the sensitivity of anal sex increases the risk of HIV transmission...not just being gay.
Which is currently happening. I can respect your utopian we are the world we are the children stance but the fact still remains dudes are dl, etc and thats has alot to do with social/media influences.
Rampid = Rampant
On top of that, just because you want to see everyone dress up in suits doesn't mean they will.
Get over it.
Never said i did. I just stated a fact. And it is a big influence on todays youth.
The world doesn't work the way YOU want it to.
So, why don't you offer more representations to counter that?
Ppl are but it still doesnt change what is going on at this present moment. Your speaking on what could happen, what ppl should do, and in essense your right, but that doesnt negate what is going on currently, which is what the speaker is addressing. He was speaking on the CURRENT ills/conditions etc of the black community.
Its not a conspiracy. Its just whats out there. Go change it then my brother.
That doesn't mean you're more Gay.
On top of that, did Adam Sandler just not do a movie where he plays his sister?
um he isnt a prominant actor in no shape of the word. let alone a major big wig example of his race. so that was a horrible example. Are you really going to sit her and say the likes of adam sandler and his prevelance/influence on the white community is up there with the prevelance/influence of a tyler perry, martin lawrence, chris rock etc of the black community?
This has what to do with gays?
Because if the only perceptions they see of decent well to do males in there likeliness are not str8 or heavily homosexual influenced then..... Thats what it has to do with black prominent males that are GAY. Thats the point/message. He is only addressing issues of the black community. Again your speaking on ppl in general. Nowhere in the speaker topic does it says the ills of all races/sexual orientation. He is specifically addressing blacks, and males/boys.
This is exactly what i was saying in my last response. The subject is about current state of black males/boys. And yet again like many subjects, you swayed from the topic and start talking about all races and homosexuality of all races of ppl.
It be different, if lets say the speaker subject was about the ills of all current youths regardless of race, and it would be different if he spoke on all races that are gay. But he didnt, yet again you switched and bait the topic and made it about injustices of gays.
The topic or subject in hand has nothing to do with injustices of gays of all races. It has to do with the ills of black males/boys in its current state. And one of his sub-topics addresses the influences of social media/society and promotions over emphasizing gay black males.
This has what to do with gays?
This has what to do with gays?
So what are you accomplishing by targeting them?
he didnt he said it was one of the elements. he mentioned several others. its you that is targeting and over emphasizing the gay sub-topic. Again it was a sub-topic umbrella under a topic that has to deal with black males/boys current state. you have taken a sub-topic and made it appear as if it was the main focal point of his discussion and was his o.g. topic which it wasnt. Was it a facet of his argument? YES. Was it his only one? NO. But you have made it seem not only was it his main/only driving force. but also included all homosexuals and all races in general when the topic clearly is addressing blacks only.
You say you dont like the images...so are you just saying you're going to tolerant or you're going to get rid of them?
So why is it being treated as a scapegoat?
Its not it is one of the many elements, and he did infact discuss the other elements. Maybe not as much. But it def. wasnt on some 80-90% kinda like you are in respects of the gay issue.
Shows like Glee and all that aren't forcing people to be gay.
They're showing that gay people are normal people.
Shows like the Cosby Show weren't forcing people to be black...they were showing people that we were normal people capable of living normal lives.
Your post history doesn't matter to me.
I care about the here and now.
Right now, you're using homosexuals as a scapegoat for the ineptitude of single mothers or people to mobilize and create their own media.
Because homosexuality isn't the reason earthquakes happen.
Stop blaming stuff that has NO effect on what you're getting at.
Its like me blaming black people for the fall of the government in Indochina in the 60s.
Because I think its unfair to blame something thats completely unrelated? Yeah thats fair.
Black people have MORE rights than gays do in this country...yet you want to blame them for your kid seeing two men kiss in a movie.
It doesn't hit home personally.
I dont have any gay family members.
I'm not gay.
In fact most of my immediate family is pretty homophobic.
I'm just smart enough to know that my view of the world isn't enough and that there are other perspectives out there that need just as much advocacy and legitimacy as our own.
There is no need to act like the black struggle is the ONLY struggle.
No one said it was but again you fail to realize this thread and the speakers subject matter is about blacks. So talking about asian,white etc is irrelevant in the since of the speakers subject and in the since of this thread. You are saying because we arent discussing other races/sexuality in this thread we are ignoring them. And we arent we are just focusing on the black ones because HELLO. That is what this thread is about.
It be like if there is a thread about bball and unfair wages, and someone says oh so since yall talking about bball unfair wages yall dont care about football unfair wages, or other sports unfair wages. And then go on to say oh you hate all other sports because you arent talking about them. The reason we wouldnt be talking about unfair wages in other sports, or talking about other sports in general is because the speaker/thread isnt about them. The speaker/thread is talking about a particular sport and about a particular subject of said sport thats why.
So stop saying i'm gay with every post.
What if I started saying that you're a scorned porch monkey for always championing black rights.
But i never called you a derrogatory name, so that would be different. But if you stated oh you seem to focus on more of the topics dealing with blacks, you must relate to blacks or maybe black yourself. Then no i wouldnt be offended because it would make sense and would be logically that you thought that of myself.
Wouldn't you be hurt?
Of course i'd NEVER say something like that, but i'm not going to delegitimize your pursuit for black rights...because those are HUMAN and CIVIL rights. They're not just for black people but ALL people.
Oh really? Whats this: http://niketalk.yuku.com/...aker-Child-Psychologist-
ok how is saying you love to chime in talk about gay rights and issues and majority of your threads are about defending there rights a diss exactly. And how is saying if you are gay then its whatever I really could care less is a diss? What derrogatory, or disrespectfull words was said there?
If someone said you always seem to favor black topics, and you love black ppl, you must be black. i personally wouldnt see it as a diss. So why would you sit here and say that if i state you love and always chime in on issues dealing with gays a diss/ Unless you feel being associated with gays is a diss then im really perplexed and confused about your stance on things.
