Still extremely upset with Jordan Brand/Nike

hyalite · Dec 25, 2011

I agree that the chaos and violence that surrounded this release should never occur. Nike, the retailers, and the malls should be ashamed for the way they handled this release. People should not have to risk their lives just to get a pair of shoes. I have enjoyed collecting Jordans for the last 20 years because it used to be fun. But this release was complete anarchy.

I don’t think you can simply call it a result of capitalism. Nike didn’t produce enough of these. I saw 100+ people standing in line at a store that only got 12 pairs, and I live in a major city. This same problem happened all over. By limiting quantity, Nike essentially allows the resellers to run the release and set prices. Instead of Nike earning profits on the extra pairs they could have produced and sold, the resellers are making the profit instead. How is this sound business for Nike?

There should be a pre-order system in place, so that Nike knows exactly how much demand there is and how many pairs to produce. This would avoid the lines and stampedes. You show up on release day with your receipt and pick up your pair, simple as that.

beespitta · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by aphexacid

Sounds like someone didn't get a pair.

i miss the part where that is funny.Anyways i got a pair and i understand what he means and feel the same way

ab doom · Dec 25, 2011

Blame it on the HYPE...WE ALL KNOW IT KILLS!

This is the most popular Air Jordan ever...every Retro 11 Christmas release has been crazy...this was overkill!

Simply the Demand outweighed the Supply! No need in being upset at Jordan Brand/Nike...look forward to 2012 and keep it moving!

Yes the bandwagon sneaker fans are killing the game...they just wanna be down, b/c they think its cool!

dc1153 · Dec 25, 2011

Back in the day in NYC, many sneakers sat on shelves simply because you had to be fresh with the latest color way or model shoe. I remember AJ XI in all colors sitting for a few weeks because people were reluctant to pay $125. When the hood knew of future color ways, the previous color was not cool anymore. Then the Japanese tourist would take trips to the hood and buy out our own inventory. The irony here is that they would resell all the DS stuff back to us via Napsize etc......

AEA18 · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by bootyologist24

Jordan isnt to blame for the chaos. Not even the kids that were out there being destructive. I blame thier parents and their upbringing. They should be ashamed of themselves and got everything they deserved.

Trust me it wasn't just kids out there on release date I saw grown men acting a fool too

yankee1 · Dec 25, 2011

I agree with the OP. This release was crazy and I have people at work that know nothing about Jordans talking about the release craziness. I am kind of ashamed to say hey I got them (online), because some people just make us look bad. I also agree that Jordan/Nike should take some responsibility and make some sort of statement.

On the other hand, its people like us who birth these resellers. If we were not shelling out so much money for the 2000-2001 xi's, these retros would not spark people going crazy.

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Im a grown man ...and I hate to disagree with another one but as stated.... everyone wants to blame a company in the business of being in business.

Yes... every company can make more shoes, but isn't fortunate enough to have that demand.

Simply put if Jordan produced 10 times as much ten times as many folks would have been hunting for this shoe and putting them up on ebay. People still would be without them and there would still be complaints.

Why those who complain choose not to blame Malls and Independents for having those silly Midnight releases especially in bad hoods is beyond me. I've said in other threads and I'll say it again.

Here in the DC area... the worst hoods had releases at midnight.... making it so people who have nothing to do with kicks can rob those trying to buy a pair. Most places in VA refused to let kids and adults line up at Malls or parking lots until the next morning.

It avoided alot of BS...

I can blame the Niketowns and Hohs for allowing lines. Cut the camp out altogether if all you are going to do is raffle tickets or wristbands off making it unfair to those who DID Camp out for days.

Like someone said.. blame your culture and what it has become and those in it..... you cant blame the folks making the shoe, because they dont even have to release it.

bruza · Dec 25, 2011

Kinda funny seeing grown men cry about not getting their pairs. I guess I would expect it from the kids but come on!

To clarify a few things, I'm 29 (just turned today

) so I definitely remember the retroes and OG's dropping which shouldn't matter. I did NOT get a pair because like others every online site locked up on me and I wasn't camping out. I wanted these shoes as much as the next person but my free time (which isn't much nowadays) is not worth waiting 8+ hrs with the threat of a riot or still coming up empty.

Anyone who has bought recent releases should know by now it really is a crap shoot as to whether you come up BIG or emptyhanded. I camped back in '06 for the DMP's and got nothing, bought many pairs of Grape V's, and got lucky again on last years Cool Grey XI Release (3 Pair). Am I losing sleep over the '11 Concords? Nope. I got too many other things going on in my life to worry about these kicks. Don't get me wrong, I've been checking NT daily for updates and Ebay for pricing. I'm not "extremely upset" though. I'm sure I'll end up with a pair and even if I don't so be it. 3 years ago, I decided to pay over $100 extra for the XI/ XII CDP. I even paid almost $300 for the Banned I's last summer after all the outlets around me had sold out. That's the name of the game fellas. Don't blame Nike/ JB. As someone else said, move on to the next release.

If you're crucial on these kicks, pay the extra these command on Ebay or just wait a few weeks.

It's not that serious. JB owes us nothing. I'm not getting killed or hurt for some kicks.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by 160jordansdeep

Originally Posted by aphexacid

Sounds like someone didn't get a pair.

Click to expand...

cant agree more
i have heard the same song over and over and over and over......................................
its happens to all of us at one time or another

as always on to the next release

What a joke. Of course you're suggesting something like this, just look at your sig.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Im a grown man ...and I hate to disagree with another one but as stated.... everyone wants to blame a company in the business of being in business.

Yes... every company can make more shoes, but isn't fortunate enough to have that demand.

Simply put if Jordan produced 10 times as much ten times as many folks would have been hunting for this shoe and putting them up on ebay. People still would be without them and there would still be complaints.

Why those who complain choose not to blame Malls and Independents for having those silly Midnight releases especially in bad hoods is beyond me. I've said in other threads and I'll say it again.

Here in the DC area... the worst hoods had releases at midnight.... making it so people who have nothing to do with kicks can rob those trying to buy a pair. Most places in VA refused to let kids and adults line up at Malls or parking lots until the next morning.

It avoided alot of BS...

I can blame the Niketowns and Hohs for allowing lines. Cut the camp out altogether if all you are going to do is raffle tickets or wristbands off making it unfair to those who DID Camp out for days.

Like someone said.. blame your culture and what it has become and those in it..... you cant blame the folks making the shoe, because they dont even have to release it.

So why did Nike increase the price to a buck eighty again?
Oh yeah, materials are more expensive, and they did it for the greater good.

smh

martymcfresh · Dec 25, 2011

There's like three threads saying the same thing....

jblock4 · Dec 25, 2011

Glad where i was people werent acting too wreckless... Some young kids were acting like children but thats expected.... Manager did some shady stuff.... 6 people opening the store and the size 12's are gone to no one in front of me in line?! I didnt get my size and probably never will because im not paying stupid prices... So for my time and wait in the cold i grabbed a pair not my size and someone will have a merry xmas... without the wait and hassle....

airjordans23 · Dec 25, 2011

I didn't line up or camp out all night for this release. I knew that if I was in the front of the crowd, I'd almost get crushed as the doors opened. I actually watched the scene unfold while I was sitting in my car, watched the entrance doors get ripped off and the mob entering the mall, turned my ignition key and drove away. I didn't feel like driving to any other malls because I knew by the time I got there it would be a similar scene and they'd be sold out. I simply didn't care about the shoes themselves anymore, it wasn't worth it. This wasn't about ME not getting my pairs. If I really wanted them that badly I would've fought tooth and nail through the mob to get my own. But most of you are missing the point - situations like this should never happen in the first place...kids and moms and grandmothers shouldn't be trampled over two days before Christmas. Violence or near-violence broke out all across the country. It was not an isolated incident or in just a couple cities. This also happened on a smaller scale during the first Cool Grey XI release ten years ago. Jordan Brand knows exactly what to expect and the frenzy it's creating.
Not enough pairs were produced and distributed to satisfy demand, and Jordan Brand is completely responsible for this fact. "General release" doesn't mean anything if the shoe in question is perhaps the most popular model and colorway in the brand's history. That's like comparing Michael Jackson's "Thriller" to some one-hit wonder in 1983. Yeah they might've produced a lot, but it still was nowhere near enough. The guy who mentioned Apple is exactly right - there's much more media hype surrounding whatever new Apple product is coming up next, yet there's no chaos or violence associated with their release dates. Most normal, working adults don't know what the Jordan XI even IS or why it's popular, they just view it as some "tennis shoe" the punk a-- kids are fighting over...but they know what new iPhone or iPad is on the horizon.

And yes, I can go on eBay and pay reseller prices, I know how the game works better than most people. It's just that the game is idiotic, and Jordan Brand/Nike is responsible. THEY are the ones who dictate terms to Footlocker and Finish Line, not the other way around. This whole system is broken. And no, I don't want to buy Jordan products anymore. My heart's just not into it. And to the guy who posted Lebron playing the world's smallest violin - Merry Christmas.

khadafi252 · Dec 25, 2011

OP, I understand what you're saying but that quote from a movie I can't remember said 'you can't buy this kind of publicity.' Violence over limited J's has been around since the 80's bruh. The only thin theyve changed is the day of the week to drop them. If this hasn't Changed in 27 years ongoing, it's not going to. For releases like this online is probably the route to go. I was In line and I logged onto Swoosh and put 2 in my cart being surprised i got thru. Since I was close to the front I decided to buy from the store.

Our misery is a money maker for Nike and always will be. People have a need to want stuff for no reason other than it being popular. I bet half those people aren't into the sneaker. They just wanted them. For us, we just have to think smarter and plan better when we want our XI's.

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Im a grown man ...and I hate to disagree with another one but as stated.... everyone wants to blame a company in the business of being in business.

Yes... every company can make more shoes, but isn't fortunate enough to have that demand.

Simply put if Jordan produced 10 times as much ten times as many folks would have been hunting for this shoe and putting them up on ebay. People still would be without them and there would still be complaints.

Why those who complain choose not to blame Malls and Independents for having those silly Midnight releases especially in bad hoods is beyond me. I've said in other threads and I'll say it again.

Here in the DC area... the worst hoods had releases at midnight.... making it so people who have nothing to do with kicks can rob those trying to buy a pair. Most places in VA refused to let kids and adults line up at Malls or parking lots until the next morning.

It avoided alot of BS...

I can blame the Niketowns and Hohs for allowing lines. Cut the camp out altogether if all you are going to do is raffle tickets or wristbands off making it unfair to those who DID Camp out for days.

Like someone said.. blame your culture and what it has become and those in it..... you cant blame the folks making the shoe, because they dont even have to release it.

Click to expand...

So why did Nike increase the price to a buck eighty again?
Oh yeah, materials are more expensive, and they did it for the greater good.

smh

Its called business .... this is just the business of shoes.
No one complains about Music CDs, Movie ticket prices and all other Industries going up... like gas... and the content hasn't changed much.... but we still keep buying it.

If I ran Jordan certain Jordan releases would be at $200 or $250.. why? Because they'd still sell out. If you go into business to keep folks happy that arent shareholders you dont stay in business as long as Nike has my man.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by khadafi252

OP, I understand what you're saying but that quote from a movie I can't remember said 'you can't buy this kind of publicity.' Violence over limited J's has been around since the 80's bruh.

Wrong.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Im a grown man ...and I hate to disagree with another one but as stated.... everyone wants to blame a company in the business of being in business.

Yes... every company can make more shoes, but isn't fortunate enough to have that demand.

Simply put if Jordan produced 10 times as much ten times as many folks would have been hunting for this shoe and putting them up on ebay. People still would be without them and there would still be complaints.

Why those who complain choose not to blame Malls and Independents for having those silly Midnight releases especially in bad hoods is beyond me. I've said in other threads and I'll say it again.

Here in the DC area... the worst hoods had releases at midnight.... making it so people who have nothing to do with kicks can rob those trying to buy a pair. Most places in VA refused to let kids and adults line up at Malls or parking lots until the next morning.

It avoided alot of BS...

I can blame the Niketowns and Hohs for allowing lines. Cut the camp out altogether if all you are going to do is raffle tickets or wristbands off making it unfair to those who DID Camp out for days.

Like someone said.. blame your culture and what it has become and those in it..... you cant blame the folks making the shoe, because they dont even have to release it.

Click to expand...

So why did Nike increase the price to a buck eighty again?
Oh yeah, materials are more expensive, and they did it for the greater good.

smh

Click to expand...

Its called business .... this is just the business of shoes.
No one complains about Music CDs, Movie ticket prices and all other Industries going up... like gas... and the content hasn't changed much.... but we still keep buying it.

If I ran Jordan certain Jordan releases would be at $200 or $250.. why? Because they'd still sell out. If you go into business to keep folks happy that arent shareholders you dont stay in business as long as Nike has my man.

Slavery was just business as well. However there is something in good business that's called being mindful of ethics. Nike makes shoes that are of better quality and value than the XI,

so the line about it just being business, is nothing but bull crap. What they are really about is exploitation, with the dollar being the bottom line.

kingjay718 · Dec 25, 2011

This thread.
Yeah it sucks, but hey what ya gonna do? Money saved.

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Exploitation?

Of who? lololol

I cant believe I just heard slavery compared with the sale of sneakers.

Slavery....people sold against their will.

Jordans..... bought by your choice.

Son... if you think ethics play apart in todays big business you are in for a very rude awakening.

brunotattaglia · Dec 25, 2011

BWAHAHAHA

Exploitation? Slavery?

You are comparing the privilege of free-will of a bunch of 14 year old kids to take their daddy's allowance money, their mommy's minivan to the local cookie-cutter mini-mall in order to line up for 5 hours (no need for a job) and buy a $180 sneaker that some 8-year old in Shenzen earned 30 cents making to slavery? You are comparing your experience to slavery??? Really?

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Exploitation?

Of who? lololol

I cant believe I just heard slavery compared with the sale of sneakers.

Slavery....people sold against their will.

Jordans..... bought by your choice.

Son... if you think ethics play apart in todays big business you are in for a very rude awakening.

Young man, I work in a brokerage firm whose main focus is institutional trading. I will withhold what my position is at the firm, but I am fully aware of business, ethics, both within the business construct. What I can tell you about business at it's worst, would leave you awake at nights worrying about the future of your kids, if you have any.
That said, Nike exploited this situation to the fullest, knowing that the news reports would give them free publicity, exposing the antics of people who probably should not be buying a pair of one hundred eighty dollar shoes in the first place. Of course, they should be responsible for their own actions, there is no doubt about that. But the marketing dept at Nike/Jordan knew what was going to happen with this release, the same as we all did.

The suggestion of slavery was not to compare the plight of a people to shoes, but it was used to show how business can be a right, but still wrongly used in many ways.

brunotattaglia · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Im a grown man ...and I hate to disagree with another one but as stated.... everyone wants to blame a company in the business of being in business.

Yes... every company can make more shoes, but isn't fortunate enough to have that demand.

Simply put if Jordan produced 10 times as much ten times as many folks would have been hunting for this shoe and putting them up on ebay. People still would be without them and there would still be complaints.

Why those who complain choose not to blame Malls and Independents for having those silly Midnight releases especially in bad hoods is beyond me. I've said in other threads and I'll say it again.

Here in the DC area... the worst hoods had releases at midnight.... making it so people who have nothing to do with kicks can rob those trying to buy a pair. Most places in VA refused to let kids and adults line up at Malls or parking lots until the next morning.

It avoided alot of BS...

I can blame the Niketowns and Hohs for allowing lines. Cut the camp out altogether if all you are going to do is raffle tickets or wristbands off making it unfair to those who DID Camp out for days.

Like someone said.. blame your culture and what it has become and those in it..... you cant blame the folks making the shoe, because they dont even have to release it.

Click to expand...

So why did Nike increase the price to a buck eighty again?
Oh yeah, materials are more expensive, and they did it for the greater good.

smh

Bwahahaha Nike could have priced these at $240, there would have been fewer crowds and less mayhem and they would have still sold out (within 48 hrs instead of 5 minutes). Consider it a personal favor to you for the greater good that they gave you a $60 discount at $180. Sure, you got shot but that's Lil Dookie's fault for bringing a gun to a shoe party.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by brunotattaglia

BWAHAHAHA

Exploitation? Slavery?

You are comparing the privilege of free-will of a bunch of 14 year old kids to take their daddy's allowance money, their mommy's minivan to the local cookie-cutter mini-mall in order to line up for 5 hours (no need for a job) and buy a $180 sneaker that some 8-year old in Shenzen earned 30 cents making to slavery? You are comparing your experience to slavery??? Really?

Take the Jumpman out of your rear for a moment, then read above.

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

AKA -

Young Man - Thanks for the compliment

Birth Year - 72

Kids - 5

Profession - President/Founder/HNIC of my own Brand/Product Marketing Company

Degree- Business Management

Again.. I do thank you for the compliment my man.... but having actually spent a GOOD amount of time within the walls of Beaverton, OR Nike's way of doing business is far from what many's assumption that it is..

No one within the Nolan Ryan or now Michael Jordan Building is sitting around sayin..."how can we get people to go crazy over this release?

The discussion is moreso with Merchandising... what alotments will be disbursed within the supply chain and so many other machinations WITHIN just that.

I know what your attempt at comparisons were... but def. still a stretch.. as nothing was right about slavery and everything was quite wrong with it.

When Apple tries to keep up with their demand of Iphones they risk the quality of ALL their units being VERY suspect and as you may know there are many defects and problems with units needing patches and such.

Apple only supplies that one phone per year.. so tryin to supply everyone is of the utmost importance.

With Nike they have Converse, Cole Haan, Jordans, Hurley and other brands to serve the public. Within Jordan alone they can supply several types of shoes to appease the public and if they choose to make even double of what they usually provide... why are they at fault when demands aren't reached when this same shoe has been offered before?

While I will agree when it comes to certain PEs offered at HoH's on a limited basis (29 to 32 per store sometimes) is just the worst.. when you produce over a million shoes, risking major defects and quality issues a company can't be blamed for their not bein enough to go around....

Have you ever been to a childs picnic when there weren't enough orange slices to go around? Some kids get salty... but they eventually get over it, because they have cookies still there.

Same concept... They didnt have to be offered orange slices... so be happy or move on.

It is business in the end...and ALL businesses operate differently under different Mission Statements and Business Practices wouldn't you agree?

Just thought I'd share my insight as someone else also apart of Corporate America...

PS... my other professions include On Air Personality for CBS Radio and Comcast Sportsnet in the DC area...

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brunotattaglia · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Exploitation?

Of who? lololol

I cant believe I just heard slavery compared with the sale of sneakers.

Slavery....people sold against their will.

Jordans..... bought by your choice.

Son... if you think ethics play apart in todays big business you are in for a very rude awakening.

Click to expand...

Young man, I work in a brokerage firm whose main focus is institutional trading. I will withhold what my position is at the firm, but I am fully aware of business, ethics, both within the business construct. What I can tell you about business at it's worst, would leave you awake at nights worrying about the future of your kids, if you have any.

Are you the receptionist at the firm? Do you work in the mail room? Because I don't know how anyone who works with brokering trading of anything could spew about the dangers of business ethics, but when the topic of Nike comes up think first "waaa but I wanted to kopp and they ran out - that was CLEARLY EVIL" instead if Nike's history of labor practices.

To paraphrase Nikedealer, you are all basically the 5-year old at the picnic after the goodies run out. That's the extent of your understanding: "there was cookies here, but now there aren't. wah happen???"

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