Still extremely upset with Jordan Brand/Nike

lildawgryan · Dec 25, 2011

People don't know how to act in public. They only come out the house couple times a year for things like this. These shoes are a hustle and that brings out the wrong group of people. Its sad to see the way so many people acted over a pair of shoes. News coverage sure got the best of it.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

The discussion is moreso with Merchandising... what alotments will be disbursed within the supply chain and so many other machinations WITHIN just that.

Nice resume', but this is what struck me in particular. You say that Nike isn't responsible, but isn't this Nike?!
In most firms such as mine, we have research groups that look out for stocks that are about to be active, something that our customers may be interested in. When the rumors of this release began, Nike became very interesting again on the street, not Jordan Brand, which is not a separate business nor publicly traded, nor independently owned.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by brunotattaglia

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Exploitation?

Of who? lololol

I cant believe I just heard slavery compared with the sale of sneakers.

Slavery....people sold against their will.

Jordans..... bought by your choice.

Son... if you think ethics play apart in todays big business you are in for a very rude awakening.

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Young man, I work in a brokerage firm whose main focus is institutional trading. I will withhold what my position is at the firm, but I am fully aware of business, ethics, both within the business construct. What I can tell you about business at it's worst, would leave you awake at nights worrying about the future of your kids, if you have any.

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Are you the receptionist at the firm? Do you work in the mail room? Because I don't know how anyone who works with brokering trading of anything could spew about the dangers of business ethics, but when the topic of Nike comes up think first "waaa but I wanted to kopp and they ran out - that was CLEARLY EVIL" instead if Nike's history of labor practices.

To paraphrase Nikedealer, you are all basically the 5-year old at the picnic after the goodies run out. That's the extent of your understanding: "there was cookies here, but now there aren't. wah happen???"

Is that the best you can do? I'm sure that you've got better, bring it! Try talking about how Wall Street nearly made the country bankrupt while hedging mortgages, therefore I may not have a right to speak!

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

The discussion is moreso with Merchandising... what alotments will be disbursed within the supply chain and so many other machinations WITHIN just that.

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Nice resume', but this is what struck me in particular. You say that Nike isn't responsible, but isn't this Nike?!
In most firms such as mine, we have research groups that look out for stocks that are about to be active, something that our customers may be interested in. When the rumors of this release began, Nike became very interesting again on the street, not Jordan Brand, which is not a separate business nor publicly traded, nor independently owned.

AKA-
It would take more time than I care to take to explain how Merchandising works within Nike.. but its not to go out and find out how much people want. Sales does that...and to make a long story longer... Sales takes orders...Orders are placed... after sales lets them know what that stores alotment max is. If a store places an order for 24 pairs.. they still may only get 12 pairs.

Not because Nike is intentionally trying to cause a frenzy but because they chose to produce a certain # of products and have to now divy that alot ment up among all their accounts. As I said before they dont have to produce AS much as they did because of their risk of even worse quality than there has been over the years....but even choosing to produce even more than usual means Niketowns who are treated as seperate entities within Nike.. Online (digital), Europe and even Employee stores get less than what they order or expect.

As for Jordan NOT being a seperately traded company than Nike...true.. BUT it is FULLY operated and run seperately from Nike. The only time Nike intercedes is when replacing non performers. There is a seperate President for Jordan Brand as well as designers, merchandising and the like.

Again.. to understand the machinations of Nike.. one would have to know Nike.. as its not even run like other Footwear companies. Hence their success in the Industry and foothold on the total piece of the pie.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

The discussion is moreso with Merchandising... what alotments will be disbursed within the supply chain and so many other machinations WITHIN just that.

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Nice resume', but this is what struck me in particular. You say that Nike isn't responsible, but isn't this Nike?!
In most firms such as mine, we have research groups that look out for stocks that are about to be active, something that our customers may be interested in. When the rumors of this release began, Nike became very interesting again on the street, not Jordan Brand, which is not a separate business nor publicly traded, nor independently owned.

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AKA-
It would take more time than I care to take to explain how Merchandising works within Nike.. but its not to go out and find out how much people want. Sales does that...and to make a long story longer... Sales takes orders...Orders are placed... after sales lets them know what that stores alotment max is. If a store places an order for 24 pairs.. they still may only get 12 pairs.

Not because Nike is intentionally trying to cause a frenzy but because they chose to produce a certain # of products and have to now divy that alot ment up among all their accounts. As I said before they dont have to produce AS much as they did because of their risk of even worse quality than there has been over the years....but even choosing to produce even more than usual means Niketowns who are treated as seperate entities within Nike.. Online (digital), Europe and even Employee stores get less than what they order or expect.

As for Jordan NOT being a seperately traded company than Nike...true.. BUT it is FULLY operated and run seperately from Nike. The only time Nike intercedes is when replacing non performers. There is a seperate President for Jordan Brand as well as designers, merchandising and the like.

Again.. to understand the machinations of Nike.. one would have to know Nike.. as its not even run like other Footwear companies. Hence their success in the Industry and foothold on the total piece of the pie.

We know nike, and the machinations of Nike. We know what to expect, and they WANT us to know what it is they are doing, so that WE can create markets.
So again, young man, you are not talking to some novice here. What you are ignoring is the fact there are many former heads of Nike's divisions working for other companies now. They had to sign a non compete clause upon their leaving, but they expire, and then allowed free will to take what they know, then applying it to their new companies, but then applying the ethics that Nike refuses to adapt, due to their own greed and need to add to their bottom line.

I am certain that you are NOT the former head of any of Nike's divisions, those that I speak to in real time, just by the way you've responded in the above quote. However, I admire your attempt to make a company that you obviously look up to, look as if they give a damn on how they make a profit.

raptors29 · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by dankenstien88

People who buy strictly to resell is the #1 reason this release got so crazy.

Many people no longer view these as "just shoes" or even as "The New Air Jordans", people view these as a paycheck. You have cats with no interest in Jordan or the shoes buying out entire stores stocks under the table and then employees say "we only got kids sizes". People in line asking "whats the most popular size?". I see dudes buying a pair in-store in RD only to wait unitl an employee says (SOLD OUT OF SIZE ___), then sell them so someone in the back of the line for $100 profit.

Sneakers used to be a fun thing. I used to look forward to RD because it was such a chill envorinment. Everyone waiting in front of the store was on the same page, the only people we had to worry about were shady cats in the parking lot. Now it seems the Xbox/ps3/bigscreen/blackfriday crowd has taken an interest in flipping Jordans and releases turn into mob scenes as soon as they open the gates.

If the only people buying the shoes were people that wanted them to own/wear for themselves there would have been more than enough pairs to go around.

Word, but do you blame people? It's easy money. We're all to blame because we're willing to pay for them. They're only worth what people are willing to pay for them and that price is $300+ All this hype is generated and they don't advertise them.

werallequal · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AirJordans23

The bottom line is this...getting a chance to buy a pair of basketball shoes - the Air Jordan XI or otherwise - shouldn't be worth risking your safety or your life. It's that simple. The way Jordan Brand/Nike purposely limited the number of pairs of the Concord XI just to build up the hype and frenzy surrounding their release isn't just irresponsible, it's ethically deplorable. I live in Indianapolis, Indiana and the mall I usually go to for Jordans - Lafayette Square Mall - was the mall shown on the national news, Pardon the Interruption, and SportsCenter in video clips with people literally ripping the doors off their hinges and trampling over each other just to get inside. I watched it happen live, and was just as horrified when I saw the replays on television later. I've been collecting since 1990 and this ONE release has absolutely drained any enjoyment or satisfaction I might've gotten from collecting Air Jordans in general.
I'm a grown adult now, I've learned how to be responsible with my money and how to pay my bills and my taxes through discipline and hard work. Collecting Air Jordans was always a fun hobby to me, a connection to the past, to my youth, and to the greatest athlete in team sports history. I was very fortunate to have seen Michael Jordan play 6 times in person, during his prime in the 1990s, at Market Square Arena against Reggie Miller and the Pacers. And each time I saw him, Jordan put everything he had into the game. It didn't always work out for him...I was there when he unretired and shot 7-for-28 and the Bulls lost in overtime...but that intensity, that conviction, that indomitable will was always present. I saw him try to rip Reggie Miller's face off and then score 40 points, many of them on impossible fallaway jumpers and angry, vicious drives to the rim. I remember the player he was. I remember everything he did. But what I remember the most was the level of sheer competitive greatness that has never been surpassed both before or since.

To me and others from my generation who grew up watching the "greatest player ever", Air Jordans aren't just basketball shoes or mere fashion statements...these MEAN something. They're symbols of who we wished we could be like when we were little, symbols of what can be accomplished with hard work and determination. But most of all, they symbolize *excellence*.

That's why it's so infuriating when the quality of a lot of these retros released is so poor while the prices are so high. And it's disheartening when it becomes near impossible to get a pair of a particular model - in this case the Concord XI - without a lot of undue physical and emotional stress.

All my friends and co-workers who know nothing about collecting Jordans have all asked me the same question regarding the XI riots...why don't they just make more pairs? Why aren't they more widely available? And that's a good question. You never see people riot over Air Force Is or Chuck Taylors, yet those shoes do phenomenal sales every single year.

Jordan Brand could've avoided this whole mess by doing two things - A) letting all the stores do pre-orders or reservations...putting a certain amount down to reserve your pair, then paying the remaining balance on release day (failure to pay means the pair goes back on sale to the public), and B) simply making more pairs and doing a few restocks both in stores and online. A lot of stores in my area only got ONE pair in each size. Supply was nowhere close to satisfying demand, and that's what fuels the frenzy to get a pair. And this is just unacceptable.

In my opinion, only a class-action lawsuit against Jordan Brand/Nike by thousands of consumers will wake them up. I don't have any legal expertise, but I'm sure there are some of you out there who do. What can be done? How can we unite to stand up to this corporate entity that does NOT care about our well-being and let our voices be heard? Who can make them listen? A debacle like this should NEVER happen again, and if it does one of these days somebody is gonna get killed. Is that what it takes? Does Jordan Brand want people dying over pieces of leather and rubber? As a collector I can understand the desire to acquire these, as a rational person in the real world however I can never understand the lengths some people will go through to get them, all because of hype. Michael Jordan was the greatest competitor in team sports history. But we shouldn't have to be that competitive WITH EACH OTHER just to buy his shoes. It's all just backwards and ridiculous. MAKE MORE PAIRS. IMPROVE QUALITY. STOP OVERPRICING.

It's time that Jordan Brand actually reflected the defining trait of the athlete who founded it - EXCELLENCE. We as consumers need to stand up NOW, and we need to be ONE.

I'm 35 years old. This is not a memo. It's a mission statement.

i most def feel it was a lil ridiculous but if i didn't feel it was part of the "game" (shoe game) of course i would stop buying Jordan..... i think that would probably resolve your issue just dont put up with it

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Originally Posted by AKA LONGSTROKE

Nice resume', but this is what struck me in particular. You say that Nike isn't responsible, but isn't this Nike?!
In most firms such as mine, we have research groups that look out for stocks that are about to be active, something that our customers may be interested in. When the rumors of this release began, Nike became very interesting again on the street, not Jordan Brand, which is not a separate business nor publicly traded, nor independently owned.

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AKA-
It would take more time than I care to take to explain how Merchandising works within Nike.. but its not to go out and find out how much people want. Sales does that...and to make a long story longer... Sales takes orders...Orders are placed... after sales lets them know what that stores alotment max is. If a store places an order for 24 pairs.. they still may only get 12 pairs.

Not because Nike is intentionally trying to cause a frenzy but because they chose to produce a certain # of products and have to now divy that alot ment up among all their accounts. As I said before they dont have to produce AS much as they did because of their risk of even worse quality than there has been over the years....but even choosing to produce even more than usual means Niketowns who are treated as seperate entities within Nike.. Online (digital), Europe and even Employee stores get less than what they order or expect.

As for Jordan NOT being a seperately traded company than Nike...true.. BUT it is FULLY operated and run seperately from Nike. The only time Nike intercedes is when replacing non performers. There is a seperate President for Jordan Brand as well as designers, merchandising and the like.

Again.. to understand the machinations of Nike.. one would have to know Nike.. as its not even run like other Footwear companies. Hence their success in the Industry and foothold on the total piece of the pie.

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We know nike, and the machinations of Nike. We know what to expect, and they WANT us to know what it is they are doing, so that WE can create markets.
So again, young man, you are not talking to some novice here. What you are ignoring is the fact there are many former heads of Nike's divisions working for other companies now. They had to sign a non compete clause upon their leaving, but they expire, and then allowed free will to take what they know, then applying it to their new companies, but then applying the ethics that Nike refuses to adapt, due to their own greed and need to add to their bottom line.

I am certain that you are NOT the former head of any of Nike's divisions, those that I speak to in real time, just by the way you've responded in the above quote. However, I admire your attempt to make a company that you obviously look up to, look as if they give a damn on how they make a profit.

Former Nike Division head?

Not at all.
As for MANY former Division heads of Nike working at Different places... true... but I could also tell you within the last 15 years who they are (real players) and where they've gone after that... and in some cases...returned to Nike.

As far as looking up to Nike... you'd be false in that assumption sir. I've made my own way in life been through the walls of the Swoosh and back to DC doin quite well... and I dont think I ever stated or quoted any execs saying they cared what anyone thought about making a profit let alone the "ethics" you mentioned before.

IF you are in the industry you state, you are well aware that YOUR business practices are not the same as those of another "Wall Street Titan" unless structured and governed by Congressional Mandates..i.e. The Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR for short). You would also know that certain business practices other than signing to your company's actuals on their reportings are not the same. Sarbanes Oxley to be specific.

So broham... like I say often.. never assume you know the knowledge of someone else you "meet" on the net or that you are anymore insightful than the next man. I dont claim to be more insightful than anyone unless you are speaking out of turn...and its my responsibility as an NTer to make sure folks are educated and not speaking out of turn on things they have no knowledge of.

Wouldn;t you agree you wouldn't let someone speak on something to let the MANY younger one's on here think it was in fact true about YOUR industry? That would be simply irresponsiblie on your part.

Anyhoo.. thanks for the debate if you will... and the compliments on my youth lol I do appreciate it.

respect is 23 · Dec 25, 2011

Jordans only mean what you want them to mean...Jordan did not do much marketing to make everyone want them. In the shoe world its mostly word of mouth that gets the point across. Retros were never really a huge deal in my area...example i remember when the black/cement 3's dropped the line was huge.....FOR AN AND1 MIXTAPE RELEASE AT FOOTACTION....we walked in and bought the Jordans and believe it or not we got clowned for buying those and not the AND1 crap for the mixtape. It is what it is and Jordans are only what you make of it...

airuphere23 · Dec 25, 2011

Back in 2007, which wasn't all that long ago, I distinctly remember being able to walk into Finishline to pre-order Jordans such as Fire Red III's, Flip III's, Aqua VIII's, and so on...and as a matter of fact, this was the same store that allowed pre-ordering of the XI's that came out in the early 2000's....

People still flocked the stores for the XI's even then, but what's going on today is unbelievabe. Complete chaos..no other words to describe it really. Honestly, for these XI's, it actually feels like you have to do a business transaction. Simply put, the days where you could walk in and still be able to get a pair of Jordans a week after release date are gone for the most part...I've never seen anything like this to be honest and I've been an avid MJ and Air Jordan fan since the late 80's when I was a kid..

Nike and Michael Jordan are just as much to blame for the chaos surrounding this XI release as the idiots who bombard the stores for a low-quality replica of an original classic. I'm not upset with the idea of wanting these shoes, I did as well. But earlier this year, I bought a pair of OG's and I've been wearing them lately to fend off the disappointment of not being able to get a pair at retail due to sites crashing, long lines, months in advance of hype talk (NT), and pictures of celebs and even MJ himself sporting these before they dropped...

Business formula is simple....make more of these shoes available. We already know we don't get this shoe often. The demand is/was way too enormous to overlook and people getting KO'd in line (YouTube) and killed is beyond ridiculous when there could've been a more responsible approach on the hands of Jordan Brand, Nike, and merchants around the country.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

You know, Nike Dealer, what you've just stated may be as about as comical as anything I've read here. It just goes to show that some work really hard to preserve some sort of status, where it should not really matter, as if anyone is really paying attention to what you've suggested.

At the end of the day, Nike is exploiting the ignorant and needy, and they know it.

nikedealer · Dec 25, 2011

Hey bruh...

I just stated yesterday that if the government gave my people reparations and coincided it with the release of every conveted Jordan, the price of diamonds went down and Bars were able to be bought out at 5K.... the economy would be fixed.

Simply let EVERYONE retailer footwear, jeweler, Bar owner or not be allowed to sell Jordans, Diamonds and own a Bar for ONE day... the economy would get the swift kick it needs unfortunately.

True? Probably... Unfortunate? Very.

But in the end...its an opinion. Yours no better than mine and mine no better than yours.

Except where facts are concerned. Enjoy your Christmas good man.

dadecounty11 · Dec 25, 2011

What kills me is the resellers that go in there, buy all the sizes they can, and then the next day you see some cat on here with 301 posts putting up 3 size 10s, a 10.5 and an 11.

while you got cats out here that are true Jordan/Sneaker heads, who will actually WEAR their shoes, and they missed out. It's disappointing to say the least. I was upset that night when all the websites crashed, and I couldn't get through at all to Eastbay on the phone. After a few days though, I don't care as much. Dudes are selling them kicks for $600 in the 9.5-10 forum....really dude? It's a shame how things have gotten that it makes the news all over the country...and not in a good way. People who have no idea about Jordans were talking about it, and stuff like that makes all of us sneaker people look like a bunch of immature hoodlums.

In the end...it is JUST a shoe.

PRIME · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by MartyMcFresh

There's like three threads saying the same thing....

All of them are the same my dude. These guys complain and complain and complain. Its like a broken record.

noblekane · Dec 25, 2011

WOW you guys do know who aka longstroke is right? mr anti nike pro adidas himself coach hubie aka splendid visions aka mr jack johnson, aka about 10 other names.

its best to just ignore him until he gets himself banned again.

qualmes · Dec 25, 2011

No.

Wrong.

Blame the people.

Start with yourself.

Myself included.

Mostly everyone on NT.

We make this stuff happen.

We let Nike do it.

We continue to let them do it.

It's their friggin slogan.

moneymike88 · Dec 25, 2011

In This Thread: People complaining about other people liking Jordans now

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NobleKane

WOW you guys do know who aka longstroke is right? mr anti nike pro adidas himself coach hubie aka splendid visions aka mr jack johnson, aka about 10 other names.

its best to just ignore him until he gets himself banned again.

That's right, never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

aka longstroke · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by NikeDealer

Hey bruh...�

I just stated yesterday that if the government gave my people reparations and coincided it with the release of every conveted Jordan, the price of diamonds went down and Bars were able to be bought out at 5K.... the economy would be fixed.

Simply let EVERYONE retailer footwear, jeweler, Bar owner or not be allowed to sell Jordans, Diamonds and own a Bar for ONE day... the economy would get the swift kick it needs unfortunately.

True? Probably... Unfortunate? Very.

But in the end...its an opinion.�Yours no better than mine and mine no better than yours.�

Except where facts are concerned. Enjoy your Christmas good man.

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You are correct. However, I am not dealing in opinions in this case, but you are. You think that Nike isn't using exploitative measures, however, we KNOW and can see what Nike is doing. No matter though, the market will dictate who wins. Right now, the investors are winning, as well as Phil Knight.
Who loses, those who cannot afford these shoes, and stupid people doing things like this,

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/mother-leaves-kids-in-cars-to-buy-air-jordans/vFbcR/

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mister saint laurent · Dec 25, 2011

Don't blame Nike.

Don't blame the resellers.

BLAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE . . . THE BUYERS!!!

There is a very simple way to eliminate resellers -- REFUSE TO PAY OVER RETAIL.

Remove the profit motive, resellers vanish and most people would get the shoes they're seeking.

The end.

brandon3000 · Dec 25, 2011

This was such a fun release though? Whats the beef

cicero avenue dopeman · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by chasekaboom

I felt as if my local CHAMPS store had more Concord XI's this year than Cool Grey XI's and Space Jam's in the '09,'10 releases.. Could just be me though..

yep just more people want these

Deleted member 42060 · Dec 25, 2011

In my opinion the trouble lies in the fact that human nature and behavior/psychology is mostly to blame. Jordan Brand and Nike produced as many pairs as possible however they probably underestimated the high value of the concord XI's, otherwise they could have produced some more and made more green. On the other hand maybe nike knew exactly they were doing, idk the numbers produced for the 00 concords and dmps however they were sitting for awhile before they finally sold. in this case 2011, after coming from that soon to be 500 plus page concord thread, there were many stories of shady managers and employees secretly stashing and unruly people lining up/camping out. You would start to think some of these stories are justified. Everyone has a right to vent and i think op is justified. Remember alot of people on niketalk DID not cop at all. All this matters for in store. I would say the younger generation certainly hyped up the importance and release of the sneaker. all this caused some kind of frenzy when stores started opening up, people cutting and starting fights, and some dudes were not satisfied with one pair they needed 6 7 whatever number and if they didn't even wear a cetain size they wanted to resell them with the intention of profiting like Nike/JB.

Online releases were a matter of server and website issues, some were saying "our servers will be able to handle the traffic", so many tried adding their pair to the cart only to find out the site would freeze or there was some buggy code. online I admit was a based on a number of factors that would determine if you got a pair, and TIMING was one of them, you had to click as quick as possible, yea bandwidth and a good computer probably mattered too.

xbiker47 · Dec 25, 2011

Was happy that I somehow got a pair off ndc

But if I didnt get through I would have been fine with not getting them. If your going to sit here and complain just buy one of the older concords off ebay, they should have come down in price significantly with this recent release.

ninjahood · Dec 25, 2011

Originally Posted by dc1153

Back in the day in NYC, many sneakers sat on shelves simply because you had to be fresh with the latest color way or model shoe. I remember AJ XI in all colors sitting for a few weeks because people were reluctant to pay $125. When the hood knew of future color ways, the previous color was not cool anymore. Then the Japanese tourist would take trips to the hood and buy out our own inventory. The irony here is that they would resell all the DS stuff back to us via Napsize etc......

yea, back then there was no such thing as a retro market, it was all about da latest and greatest.

i remember when japanese tourist would by buying entire size run of sneakers that sat too...but they were usually doing it for air maxes...jordans after a while would sell..they hit rock bottom though in 1994 when penny and barkley lines took over and jordan

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