Houston Texans Pre-Season 2014 - NT Bowl 2.5...Battle For Roster Spots

Ok.....just saying....Clowney and Watt > ANY Rookie QB

Manziel is really good...but Clowney, that's a once in a generation type talent. 

And on top of that, Manziel has way more off the field problems than Clowney

Russell Wilson did not win that game for Seattle he just managed it.

That defense, that pass rush won that game
 
trying to sell tickets is such a stupid argument, considering the team has sold out tickets every year, and has a waiting list for season tickets thats 10,00 deep.

it's football, and this is america. unless you're jacksonville or san diego, you don't have to worry about selling tickets.

anyways. look at the jets, monster front 7, and still MEH. you need a capable offense, and we don't have one.

seattle got earl thomas in the 1st round, kam chancellor and richard sherman in the 5th. i believe browner was in the 6th, and WT3 was a 4th rounder.
 
WillzWay26 said:
Ok.....just saying....Clowney and Watt > ANY Rookie QB

Manziel is really good...but Clowney, that's a once in a generation type talent. 

And on top of that, Manziel has way more off the field problems than Clowney

Russell Wilson did not win that game for Seattle he just managed it.

That defense, that pass rush won that game
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ight, you're done here.

once in a generation type talent? i heard that about mario williams once upon a time. i also heard he had a tendency to take plays off.

more off the field issues? manziel hasn't done anything illegal outside of underrage drinking almost 3 years ago. clowney has gotten two speeding tickets of 30+ over the limit in the last 3 months.
 
not to mention, seattle's secondary has 3 players who are regarded as top 3 at their position. we don't have that. seattle has an elite ground game. we don't have that. russell wilson is able to "manage games" because they're so stacked everywhere else.
 
You think Manziel is a better talent at his position than Clowney is?

You think Clowney has more off field issues than Manziel?

This team was a legit contender before last year, you think a rookie qb can put them back in that discussion?
 
Clowney reminds me of Mario Williams more than anything, and that's not nearly a generational talent. Just like Mario, he's shown flashes of being as dominate as any DE ever, yet consistently took plays off, and sometimes you wanted to know if he was even on the field (and nah, not just Clowney being cautious this past season). If that's the guy the Texans get, then they'll just spin their wheels again in the hopes that he'll do every thing they hoped, and crap out again. Mario had 13 sacks last year. What did Buffalo do? Seattle's defense was built great overtime, but let's not act like Wilson is strictly a "game manager". He's a dynamic QB that happened to get into a slump, and his defense stepped up and continued to get better. Seems like to me, the Texans have a coin flip with Manziel or Brigdewater, then great scouting after that.
 
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Ok Im just saying they could have the best DL in the league.  Manziel is a great college player but I dont think QB was that teams biggest weakness
 
as a Texans fan, can't say I disagree with dude. i think most people are in a knee jerk reactionary phase and don't realize it's not often you find bonafide franchise QBs with the #1 overall pick. I'm ok with Johnny if he tests/measures off the charts and there are ZERO question marks. We would have to be committed to him starting now and committed to having a system completely designed around his strengths. Otherwise, we're wasting our time drafting him with the #1.

Plus i think we can find a QB later in the draft. or court one of these current backup NFL QBs who are testing/wanting to test the market.



We should be drafting the top OL (tackle) or top DL/LB
 
Clowney is a much better prospect than Mario was and in theory I can see where Willz is coming from but when our biggest hole is the most important position then it's definitely needs to be addressed. Top priority.
 
WillzWay26 said:
Ok Im just saying they could have the best DL in the league.  Manziel is a great college player but I dont think QB was that teams biggest weakness
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QB wasn't our biggest weakness?

bonafide hustla said:
as a Texans fan, can't say I disagree with dude. i think most people are in a knee jerk reactionary phase and don't realize it's not often you find bonafide franchise QBs with the #1 overall pick. I'm ok with Johnny if he tests/measures off the charts and there are ZERO question marks. We would have to be committed to him starting now and committed to having a system completely designed around his strengths. Otherwise, we're wasting our time drafting him with the #1.

Plus i think we can find a QB later in the draft. or court one of these current backup NFL QBs who are testing/wanting to test the market.

We should be drafting the top OL (tackle) or top DL/LB
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how many years do we look for a QB later in the draft? why not find the best one we can? say we don't take a top QB this year, what if we can't get hundley, mariota, whoever else next year? we have the opportunity now, let's do it.


Statis22 said:
Clowney is a much better prospect than Mario was and in theory I can see where Willz is coming from but when our biggest hole is the most important position then it's definitely needs to be addressed. Top priority.
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THIS.
 
Bill O'Brien finally announces Texans' staff

Even before most of the former members of the Texans coaching staff were called into new head coach Bill O'Brien's office for a handshake and a goodbye, O'Brien had in mind a lot of the staff he wanted with him in Houston.

Several coaches flew down in the following week to begin work. The hiring process unfolded little by little in the next few weeks. O'Brien, though, remained mum all the while, only saying that his good friend Jim Bernhardt, his right-hand man, would join him in some capacity

O'Brien had determined to announce his staff once it was complete, and that day is apparently today.

The Texans announced the hiring of 16 assistant coaches today, including Bernhardt's position as director of football research. They also announced the retention of special teams coordinator Bob Ligashesky, who joins defensive line coach Bill Kollar as the two holdovers fromKubiak's staff.

From their official release:

The following were added to O’Brien’s staff: Romeo Crennel (defensive coordinator), Jim Bernhardt (Director of Football Research), John Butler (secondary), Doug Colman (assistant special teams), Paul Dunn (offensive line), Craig Fitzgerald (head strength and conditioning), George Godsey (quarterbacks), Sean Hayes (assistant strength and conditioning), Stan Hixon (wide receivers), Tim Kelly (offensive quality control), Will Lawing (defensive quality control), Charles London (running backs), Anthony ****** (assistant secondary), John Perry (tight ends), Anthony Pleasant (assistant strength and conditioning) and Mike Vrabel (linebackers).

“We’ve put together a great staff of enthusiastic and passionate coaches with good character who have successful backgrounds in coaching,” O’Brien said. “It was important to put together a group who will be great teachers and I’m excited to begin our preparations for the 2014 season.”

Bernhardt, Butler, Fitzgerald, Hayes, Hixon, London, ****** and Pleasant were all with O'Brien at Penn State. Godsey was one of the first quarterbacks with whom O'Brien worked. He was the quarterback at Georgia Tech when O'Brien coached the position and was offensive coordinator there. Godsey was previously the Patriots' tight ends coach.

As expected, O'Brien, who will call plays on offense, won't have an offensive coordinator, at least for the first year he coaches. Some more perspective on that decision from this post I did a few weeks ago. . http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/post/_/id/3623/texans-have-a-dc-but-do-they-need-an-oc
 
ha, there's no analysis of the decision to draft a QB in here. Boys are just scorned to the point it doesnt matter who gets drafted. as long as its a QB with the #1 overall pick. :rofl:

I haven't seen anyone break down any of these QBs game or potential to say why they think its a good pick. makes sense, yall aren't actual GMs so its easy to say
 
ha, nevermind i just read it. boys are hanging on to Russ Wilson's mold. like i say, im ok with it ONLY if Johnny checks out in every facet leading up to that pick. anything else is uncivilized.
 
JJ Watt said:
We've broken down Teddy and Money in the draft threads though.

Had discussions about them and raised concerns about them.

Soooo
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exactly :lol:

quarterback is the most important position on the field. we have the number 1 overall pick and a need at QB. obviously having clowney with watt would be nice, but like i stated earlier, the jets have a nice defensive front and look at them.

a good QB can hide a lot of issues, and if you do your homework and draft well you can find defensive talent throughout the draft. i don't want to wait and see if a 3rd round QB pans out, or wait for next years draft when there's no guarantee we'll get any of those guys either.
 
and our system will need to be COMPLETELY molded around Johnny.


does anybody in here realize the Texans have one of the better LT in the NFL on the squad, but literally have one of the worst RT in the league on the other side? no concern on the effect this has had on our offense?
 
right side of the line has been an issue since we resigned chris myers at the expense of brisiel and winston. they overestimated newton's ability to swing in and be competent, and are now stuck.

we have holes EVERYWHERE.

QB
DT
OLB
ILB
S
RG
RT
 
do work son said:
exactly :lol:

quarterback is the most important position on the field. we have the number 1 overall pick and a need at QB. obviously having clowney with watt would be nice, but like i stated earlier, the jets have a nice defensive front and look at them.

a good QB can hide a lot of issues, and if you do your homework and draft well you can find defensive talent throughout the draft. i don't want to wait and see if a 3rd round QB pans out, or wait for next years draft when there's no guarantee we'll get any of those guys either.
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that is such a subjective statement man. A great team/scheme can hide shortcomings of a QB. Look at Flaaco. Defense/Scheme wins ballgames, not players.


also, I'm not sure any way I articulate it can help. Just google search QB draft history over the past 15 years. Look at the QBs who were taken overall, even top 10. Compare them to the other dudes taken in random rounds.
 
If this were previous regimes, they would trade back and draft Jake Matthews, switch him from LT to RT, then they'd get fired near the end if the season.

Agreed about there being a number if holes to feel. Reed and Mercilus definitely need to have a good year and be steady. Some analyst had Reed being the defensive player of the year heading into last season. He may have only played a bit better than Braman.
 
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JJ Watt said:
Brown is one of the premier LT in the NFL, right side of the line was horrid last year, gave me flashbacks to the Carr days *shutters*

Right side has to get addressed.

Reed / mercy have to produce, but that could tie in directly with not having anyone upfront outside of Watt that sucks up blockers.

We need a huge space eater up front ala Wilfork. Cause that's going to allow the rest of the front 7 to roam.

ILB because Cush is 2 years in a row :\ |I

Hopefully he comes back like last year.

And a coverage safety, DJ got better but he a isn't ready, he's more suited to play in the box.

And a slot / Nickel CB cause over the last few seasons :x

1st round should be QB
2nd - OL / DT
3rd - OL / DT

Game is won in the trenches and that's where it should begin.
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I was following the narrative all the way up until the closing statements


need to start with the trenches, but we get a QB? We gonna get a starting RT in the 2nd/3rd round? That position alone will set off our line. You're like 1 piece away. get a dominant Tackle with the first overall pick. Or dominant D Lineman as we're like another DL away from being dominant.

Also, imo we need to let go of the Cushing dream, he's done at this point imo. regardless of how good his ceiling is, you need consistency out of a position you're already lacking a lot of depth at.
 
game definitely starts in the trenches, but you still need a QB who can make plays and not turn it over. RW didn't have to make a lot of plays in the postseason, but he made some and didn't turn it over. same for flacco last year. made plays, zero turnovers. schaub is a turnover machine.

we have decent pieces at the skill positions, just no QB to distribute. draft a QB find a RT in the draft, and fill in pieces as we go.

all of this won't matter if we don't hit on our mid-late round draft picks. can't be taking anymore brandon harris, roc carmichael, shiloh keo type guys. need speed and physicality on defense
 
none of the QB ish matters if your line isn't blocking. same with this highly paid RB we have back there. starts in the trenches, so we should draft in the trenches.

I would understand yall more if this was the 2012 draft. it's just not making any sense to me how adamant people are on drafting these POTENTIALLY marginal QBs so high. Wasting a #1 pick opportunity to roll the dice
 
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good quarterbacks hide more flaws than a good right tackle does. clowney, barr, any of the o lineman are just as "potentially marginal", so why not risk it on a QB who is more of a difference maker?
 
At this point I wanna see how the team approaches free agency before I say how I think they should draft.
 
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