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Danilo Gallinari would mop him
How good would Larry Bird be in today's game?
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LOL, no.
Prove me wrong, Knicks fan. I know stats don't mean much to y'all, considering the incessant drooling over the Melo trade but go ahead and try to show me how LeBron has had a consistent history of shrinking in the playoffs. He has had one very bad series in his entire career. Again, one very bad series. Did you know Larry Bird was knocked out of the first round one year? He played terrible. When has that happened to Lebron? Revisionism persists.
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Prove me wrong, Knicks fan. I know stats don't mean much to y'all, considering the incessant drooling over the Melo trade but go ahead and try to show me how LeBron has had a consistent history of shrinking in the playoffs. He has had one very bad series in his entire career. Again, one very bad series. Did you know Larry Bird was knocked out of the first round one year? He played terrible. When has that happened to Lebron? Revisionism persists.
You sound upset.
Bird was a closer, Lebron is not.
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You can't prove me wrong
Stick to beats.
Stick to beats.
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Remember that video of Gilbert Arenas shooting one-handed set shot threes in practice? He made about 75% of them. These guys are that good. You don't think a player of Bird's caliber, shooting in rhythm alone on a court, couldn't hit 100 shots in a row? Hell, I'm good for 8/10 in a gym when I'm shooting alone.
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...again, you sound upset.
Lebron fans always look at the overall numbers but the reason he gets criticized is because of how he comes up short during crunch time, especially this year in the Finals and in the Finals prior. Guy will get you numbers but Wade is the closer of the team and that will be the only way they win a chip.
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Lebron fans always look at the overall numbers but the reason he gets criticized is because of how he comes up short during crunch time, especially this year in the Finals and in the Finals prior. Guy will get you numbers but Wade is the closer of the team and that will be the only way they win a chip.
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This lebron not being clutch thing is becoming flat-out silly. He had one bad series. Take away that, and he's money. He has a top 5 highest scoring average in the history of the nba playoffs, and that includes a legendary performance in detroit, and has actually took his team all the way to the championship.
It baffles me when people say Lebron isn't clutch but they hail all these others as being clutch, I don't understand.
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Lol what? So he doesn't have a consistent midrange J, or a post game, is too concerned with being on ocean ave, and yet is averaging over 30 6 and 6 again on >50% shooting. Lebron critics are amazing.
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You can't prove me wrong
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He looked GREAT Vs the Bulls and Celtics (for a change, and he got praise for it), I'm talking about Finals games when it matters most....what has he done in the Finals in his career thus far when it matters most?Originally Posted by HankMoody
You can't prove me wrongLeBron closed against the Celts and Bulls LAST YEAR. He consistently closed out in previous years. Against the Wizards, game winnong shots agains tthe Magic, against the Pistons, going blow for blow against Pierce... Where was Wade? You are a revisionist and have no clue what you are talking about. Look at the history of his career.
19.5 PPG on 41.7 FG percentage in the Finals for his career thus far, always shooting those dumb fadeaway three pointers for a "game winner" as if its a high percentage shot and looks like a deer in headlights.
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Again, come on man. A hundred shots without a miss, I am bot buying that. Folklore is what that is.
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Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
He looked GREAT Vs the Bulls and Celtics (for a change, and he got praise for it), I'm talking about Finals games when it matters most....what has he done in the Finals in his career thus far when it matters most?Originally Posted by HankMoody
You can't prove me wrongLeBron closed against the Celts and Bulls LAST YEAR. He consistently closed out in previous years. Against the Wizards, game winnong shots agains tthe Magic, against the Pistons, going blow for blow against Pierce... Where was Wade? You are a revisionist and have no clue what you are talking about. Look at the history of his career.
19.5 PPG on 41.7 FG percentage in the Finals for his career thus far, always shooting those dumb fadeaway three pointers for a "game winner" as if its a high percentage shot and looks like a deer in headlights.
For a change?
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Originally Posted by HankMoody
Originally Posted by Mez 0ne
He looked GREAT Vs the Bulls and Celtics (for a change, and he got praise for it), I'm talking about Finals games when it matters most....what has he done in the Finals in his career thus far when it matters most?Originally Posted by HankMoody
You can't prove me wrongLeBron closed against the Celts and Bulls LAST YEAR. He consistently closed out in previous years. Against the Wizards, game winnong shots agains tthe Magic, against the Pistons, going blow for blow against Pierce... Where was Wade? You are a revisionist and have no clue what you are talking about. Look at the history of his career.
19.5 PPG on 41.7 FG percentage in the Finals for his career thus far, always shooting those dumb fadeaway three pointers for a "game winner" as if its a high percentage shot and looks like a deer in headlights.
For a change?That's how he's always played.Look at his career. You can fault him for his Finals play last year. There is no way I can defend that. But that doesn't mean I will forget what he has done. Just like I won't forget that Larry Bird played terribly one year and was bounced from the first round. There are very few players with spotless resumes a la MJ and possibly Magic. To say LeBron shrinks in the playoffs is being historically inaccurate. There is no other way to put it. This is what terrible sports fan do. They pick and choose what to highlight. This has been toxic to every discussion on this board.
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I still say what LeBron did to Sheed, Prince, McDyess and the rest of those dudes was the best individual stretch I have seen live. (In a meaningful game). Go ask your man YouTube to show you what happened in case you forgot.
I agree with people exaggerating LeBron's clutch failures. I am sure Jeff Van Gundy will tell you about it the next time he does a MIA game.
I agree with people exaggerating LeBron's clutch failures. I am sure Jeff Van Gundy will tell you about it the next time he does a MIA game.
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Nobody says he stinks in the playoffs, he just takes very questionable shots in the 4th quarter and closing minutes during the most important games, when it matters most, there is no disputing that. You want to defend those awful shot attempts he takes in the closing minutes/seconds? Even during the Bulls series when he looked great, he still took those awful percentage shots which happened to go in....recipe for disaster in the long haul because it did not work vs a better Mavericks team. They had that Finals series last year and they when they were up by double digits in the 4th of Game 2 they were busy dancing and laughing it up......... and then he played as if he had zero interest, tentative, passive, and scared since the Mavs stole that game.
As great as he played vs the Bulls and Celtics, why should he get praise for that if he played LOUSY in the Finals that same year?
You cannot make excuses for that, he has been in this league too damn long to even play in that manner, especially if you want to call yourself the Chosen One.
As great as he played vs the Bulls and Celtics, why should he get praise for that if he played LOUSY in the Finals that same year?
You cannot make excuses for that, he has been in this league too damn long to even play in that manner, especially if you want to call yourself the Chosen One.
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I'm looking at a career, you a series. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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So what I am saying is incorrect than right? 19.5 PPG on 41.7 FG percentage in two Finals for his career thus far is not important? You're rebuttal to that is saying oh, but he had such a great series in the Conference and East Finals, that should be good enough. Right. He gets credit when deserved and I priased his play during those two series, but his criticism is WARRANTED when it needs to be.
His awful 3 point shot attempts in crunch time gets a pass? His passiveness gets a pass?
Whatever you say champ, back to Bird.
His awful 3 point shot attempts in crunch time gets a pass? His passiveness gets a pass?
Whatever you say champ, back to Bird.
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Don't worry, nobody on this board knows about the "Tragic Johnson" NBA Finals. They'll just spout off about individual series and move on. However, Lebron has a couple legit duds that are pretty baffling. Anyway...back to the thread subject.
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Stop Stat Stuffing too tho, you guys both have points but I'll tell you one thing...Bird or Jordan would have never had 8 points in a Finals game. Yes LeBron isn't as bad statistically in the clutch as everyone thinks but he has had some unexplainable and frozen moments (mentally).
I don't even know why LeBron was added to this conversation, this is not the debate. I sincerely believe Larry Bird would have been a top 5-7 player in the league today. He'd be that good. What should really be up for debate is Magic Johnsons worth, guy was giving a championship team as a rookie.
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Last year is beyond valid, since he was the reason Miami didn't win that series in 5 or 6 games. The Spurs series? when he was 22 and his next best option was Bobbie Gibson? eh. I guess.
I don't mean to speak for Moody, but I don't think anyone gives him a pass for last year's finals or Game 5 vs Boston the year prior. But his playoff resume is only missing a title, that much is true. He did some staggering stuff that has been forgotten because Cleveland came up empty.
Bird plays in any era, and plays at an elite level. Too skilled, and you can talk about athleticism..but he had enough size where it wouldn't matter that much. Not like the guy wasn't going against better athletes in the late 80's.
I don't mean to speak for Moody, but I don't think anyone gives him a pass for last year's finals or Game 5 vs Boston the year prior. But his playoff resume is only missing a title, that much is true. He did some staggering stuff that has been forgotten because Cleveland came up empty.
Bird plays in any era, and plays at an elite level. Too skilled, and you can talk about athleticism..but he had enough size where it wouldn't matter that much. Not like the guy wasn't going against better athletes in the late 80's.
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Originally Posted by MonStar1
Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539
So how you gonna attack me for making my comment based on my take on Bird, when you practically did the same thing?!!
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I'm done with this thread. And I'm avoiding any sports thread with MonStar debating in it..
We must've got our wires crossed. I thought you meant you only seen brief highlights and videos at first. I didn't think you meant "i didn't see him live". I wouldn't knock you for being born late.
We cool
The only crime Larry has ever committed is that travesty of a hairpiece.
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rhetorical questions like these are always pretty useless and unfair. there wouldn't BE a today's game if it wasn't for players like Larry Bird.
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who said Legend will guard james, durant, gay in a basketball game? last time i check basketball is a team sport. let parish, mchale, maxwell guard those.
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My bad. I apologize, I guess I took things out of context. However, I don't change my view.
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Melo being better than bird is far fetched? He's one of the best offensive talents we have ever seen. And if you say Birds defense was significantly better, you're lying. Bird would want no parts of melo on the block or out on the perimeter