Eli Manning will be in the Hall of Fame

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by CashBanks

Originally Posted by University of Nike


No, I'm still right, and it wasn't a clever response. It was the truth. No one counts those three Super Bowls when discussing Tom Brady because they were won with blatant cheating. People can say that "every team does it!" and stuff like that, but at the end of the day, the Patriots are the team that got caught. If this was the NCAA, they'd be stripped of their titles, but the NFL swept it under the rug. It's really sad, actually, that folks think Tom Brady is a Super Bowl winning QB. I'm sure some Tom Brady stan will come in here with "U MAD?" pictures, but no, I'm far from mad. Actually, after last night, I'm quite happy.

Eli Manning owns Tom Brady's soul, and that's all I need to say.

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no one counts his 3 super bowl wins? ok you got it bro

gotta love dudes who take their opinion to be the gospel on something so because you say that dont count means they dont count?

and honestly your the first person I've ever heard make that argument "if this was the ncaa" if this was the ncaa the pats and packers would've played without a playoff but it aint

  

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I think the point he's trying to make is that usually when a team or player gets caught cheating, especially on the level that they were, they're usually stripped of their achievements.

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Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by CashBanks

Originally Posted by University of Nike


No, I'm still right, and it wasn't a clever response. It was the truth. No one counts those three Super Bowls when discussing Tom Brady because they were won with blatant cheating. People can say that "every team does it!" and stuff like that, but at the end of the day, the Patriots are the team that got caught. If this was the NCAA, they'd be stripped of their titles, but the NFL swept it under the rug. It's really sad, actually, that folks think Tom Brady is a Super Bowl winning QB. I'm sure some Tom Brady stan will come in here with "U MAD?" pictures, but no, I'm far from mad. Actually, after last night, I'm quite happy.

Eli Manning owns Tom Brady's soul, and that's all I need to say.

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no one counts his 3 super bowl wins? ok you got it bro

gotta love dudes who take their opinion to be the gospel on something so because you say that dont count means they dont count?

and honestly your the first person I've ever heard make that argument "if this was the ncaa" if this was the ncaa the pats and packers would've played without a playoff but it aint

  

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I think the point he's trying to make is that usually when a team or player gets caught cheating, especially on the level that they were, they're usually stripped of their achievements.

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Originally Posted by CP1708

If it's a must win game and I had to choose, I'm takin Eli over Peyton. 

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Originally Posted by AG 47

Eli has the potential to be the greatest QB of all-time.

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Originally Posted by CashBanks

nah I think his point was he doesnt know what the @@#% he's talking about and is sodium level jumps through the roof when Tom Brady's name comes up

but he's right because he says he's right I dig it super bowl was yesterday Giants won therefore Eli HAS to be the best ever 

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Originally Posted by BigBrandon

I could be wrong but when's the last time the nfl stripped someone of anything? Pete rose was banned from baseball but still wasn't stripped of his records. College sports strips things and olympics because it's considered amatuer not professional. The nfl with its love affair is true though.

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Originally Posted by BigBrandon

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by CashBanks

no one counts his 3 super bowl wins? ok you got it bro

gotta love dudes who take their opinion to be the gospel on something so because you say that dont count means they dont count?

and honestly your the first person I've ever heard make that argument "if this was the ncaa" if this was the ncaa the pats and packers would've played without a playoff but it aint

  

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I think the point he's trying to make is that usually when a team or player gets caught cheating, especially on the level that they were, they're usually stripped of their achievements.

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I could be wrong but when's the last time the nfl stripped someone of anything? Pete rose was banned from baseball but still wasn't stripped of his records. College sports strips things and olympics because it's considered amatuer not professional. The nfl with its love affair is true though.

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Originally Posted by University of Nike

Originally Posted by CP1708

If it's a must win game and I had to choose, I'm takin Eli over Peyton. 

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I understand that, and heck... I'd probably do the same thing. In clutch situations, Eli is much better than Peyton. I don't think it's an argument.

HOWEVER, for all you guys saying "Eli > Peyton" - other than postseason resume, why? Why does Eli > Peyton?

You want to know why Eli's postseason stats look so good?
2004 season - missed playoffs.
2005 season - One and done. Got shut out against Carolina.
2006 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2007 season - Super Bowl. AMAZING postseason - one of the best I've seen.
2008 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2009 season - missed playoffs.
2010 season - missed playoffs.
2011 season - Super Bowl. Another amazing postseason.

I love the guy, but he's only made it to the playoffs five times. Three of those were one and out. The other two were Super Bowls.

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Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by BigBrandon

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

I think the point he's trying to make is that usually when a team or player gets caught cheating, especially on the level that they were, they're usually stripped of their achievements.

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I could be wrong but when's the last time the nfl stripped someone of anything? Pete rose was banned from baseball but still wasn't stripped of his records. College sports strips things and olympics because it's considered amatuer not professional. The nfl with its love affair is true though.

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Do you even know why Pete Rose what banned from baseball? %!% are you talking about?

These guys were spying on the opposing team's practices and getting information about their offensive plays and defensive strategies, if that doesn't deserve getting your title stripped, I don't know what does.... that's the ultimate form of cheating.

Still taking time off from work Big Brandon? I know it's only been 3 weeks since the Steeler's loss.

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Originally Posted by BigBrandon

Originally Posted by University of Nike

Originally Posted by CP1708

If it's a must win game and I had to choose, I'm takin Eli over Peyton. 

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I understand that, and heck... I'd probably do the same thing. In clutch situations, Eli is much better than Peyton. I don't think it's an argument.

HOWEVER, for all you guys saying "Eli > Peyton" - other than postseason resume, why? Why does Eli > Peyton?

You want to know why Eli's postseason stats look so good?
2004 season - missed playoffs.
2005 season - One and done. Got shut out against Carolina.
2006 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2007 season - Super Bowl. AMAZING postseason - one of the best I've seen.
2008 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2009 season - missed playoffs.
2010 season - missed playoffs.
2011 season - Super Bowl. Another amazing postseason.

I love the guy, but he's only made it to the playoffs five times. Three of those were one and out. The other two were Super Bowls.

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Well put. He had 2 great runs and he deserves south credit for both his title wins. People get caught up when their team does something and are quick to say greatest ever. We're all guilty we want our guys to be the best ever. By next season it'll be more realistic.

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Originally Posted by University of Nike

Originally Posted by CP1708

If it's a must win game and I had to choose, I'm takin Eli over Peyton. 

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I understand that, and heck... I'd probably do the same thing. In clutch situations, Eli is much better than Peyton. I don't think it's an argument.

HOWEVER, for all you guys saying "Eli > Peyton" - other than postseason resume, why? Why does Eli > Peyton?

You want to know why Eli's postseason stats look so good?
2004 season - missed playoffs.
2005 season - One and done. Got shut out against Carolina.
2006 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2007 season - Super Bowl. AMAZING postseason - one of the best I've seen.
2008 season - One and done. Beat by the Eagles.
2009 season - missed playoffs.
2010 season - missed playoffs.
2011 season - Super Bowl. Another amazing postseason.

I love the guy, but he's only made it to the playoffs five times. Three of those were one and out. The other two were Super Bowls.

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Originally Posted by BigBrandon

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by BigBrandon



I could be wrong but when's the last time the nfl stripped someone of anything? Pete rose was banned from baseball but still wasn't stripped of his records. College sports strips things and olympics because it's considered amatuer not professional. The nfl with its love affair is true though.

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Do you even know why Pete Rose what banned from baseball? %!% are you talking about?

These guys were spying on the opposing team's practices and getting information about their offensive plays and defensive strategies, if that doesn't deserve getting your title stripped, I don't know what does.... that's the ultimate form of cheating.

Still taking time off from work Big Brandon? I know it's only been 3 weeks since the Steeler's loss.

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Yeah I know why he was banned. You said the get stripped of there achievemts did you not? Name me one team in the nfl that has ever been stripped of a title. Name one in the nba. Ryan Braun just got caught dirty and still has his MVP. That's what I said.

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Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by BigBrandon

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Do you even know why Pete Rose what banned from baseball? %!% are you talking about?

These guys were spying on the opposing team's practices and getting information about their offensive plays and defensive strategies, if that doesn't deserve getting your title stripped, I don't know what does.... that's the ultimate form of cheating.

Still taking time off from work Big Brandon? I know it's only been 3 weeks since the Steeler's loss.

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Yeah I know why he was banned. You said the get stripped of there achievemts did you not? Name me one team in the nfl that has ever been stripped of a title. Name one in the nba. Ryan Braun just got caught dirty and still has his MVP. That's what I said.

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There's a difference between taking HGH and spying on a team... There's a difference between betting on your OWN team, and recording the practices of every opposing team you play.

Of course you win the championship three times if you know what the opposite team is doing at all times.

C'mon brah... You can't be that much of a simpleton.

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Originally Posted by CP1708

He still has time, and Peyton is close to done, if Eli gives another 5-6 years, throws some more numbers up at his current pace, wins a few more playoff games, even if he doesn't get another ring, his resume will be right there next too Peyton.  May not top any of Peyton's raw numbers, but in the ballpark. 

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You guys truly need to get off that damn spygate nonsense. 

  Video tape of walk thrus don't alter field goals, or helmet catches, or tippy toe sideline grabs late in games.  @#$% happens.  None of it has to do with watching a team job thru practice in shorts and helmets. 

You have no idea what kinds of advantages you can get if you know what plays your opponent is running. It wouldn't have come down to those helmet catches and field goals if the defense didn't know what was coming.

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Oh, and:

Originally Posted by CashBanks

nah I think his point was he doesnt know what the @@#% he's talking about and is sodium level jumps through the roof when Tom Brady's name comes up

but he's right because he says he's right I dig it super bowl was yesterday Giants won therefore Eli HAS to be the best ever 

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I don't know what I'm talking about? I'm salty? Tom Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl since Spygate. I'm stating FACTS. BigBrandon summed it up nicely...

Originally Posted by BigBrandon

I could be wrong but when's the last time the nfl stripped someone of anything? Pete rose was banned from baseball but still wasn't stripped of his records. College sports strips things and olympics because it's considered amatuer not professional. The nfl with its love affair is true though.

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The NFL let a team that knowingly cheated keep its Super Bowl trophies. I don't count them in my arguments, and I wish others would follow suit.

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Originally Posted by CP1708

The Bucs were SCREAMING out the Raiders calls before plays, and it had nothing to do with watching practice, they knew the formations, the calls, all of it. 

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there is a 40 second clock, team huddles, lines up, and you're down to 15 seconds right there, the defense don't have time to look at everyone, FROM A PRACTICE TAPE and start changing their defensive signals in the final 10-15 seconds while the QB calls out the cadence.  Come the hell on. 

 

Uhh... you're joking, right? If you see a certain package get thrown out on the field, that you KNEW the team was going to use, couldn't you dial up a defense to stop it?

Stop being blind to this. If you think that viewing tapes of walkthroughs doesn't give you an advantage, then I don't know what to tell you.

Originally Posted by CashBanks

THANK YOU

cats in here acting like they had spies on the sideline during the game like the opposing teams fullback was feeding em plays in advance

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He was wrong in almost everything he said, though. No need to thank him.

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Originally Posted by CP1708

Man, it's the same damn thing as watching 5 years worth of tape. 

There's tape for all teams, that we don't ever see.  All spliced together for anyone to watch. 

Them seeing how a team lines up is nothing more than a mental "edge" in their own minds. 

The Bucs were SCREAMING out the Raiders calls before plays, and it had nothing to do with watching practice, they knew the formations, the calls, all of it. 

Few years ago we beat NE 21-0, and Zach Thomas was sayin after the game that they knew every play the Pats were runnin, same ones year after year. 

there is a 40 second clock, team huddles, lines up, and you're down to 15 seconds right there, the defense don't have time to look at everyone, FROM A PRACTICE TAPE and start changing their defensive signals in the final 10-15 seconds while the QB calls out the cadence.  Come the hell on. 

 

Mental edge, nothing more.  Makes them FEEL like they have prepared more than they really have. 

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Originally Posted by University of Nike


Uhh... you're joking, right? If you see a certain package get thrown out on the field, that you KNEW the team was going to use, couldn't you dial up a defense to stop it?

Stop being blind to this. If you think that viewing tapes of walkthroughs doesn't give you an advantage, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Eli has the potential to be the greatest QB of all-time.

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Originally Posted by CP1708

Hey, here comes Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Issac Bruce and Kurt Warner, now lets see....when they were in T shirts, they were gonna run the ball over here, ya know, like they did in the previous 18 games they played, that we watched on tape, like the rest of the country did, and ESPN did, and the shows showed all their highlights, in slow motion, and rewind, etc etc etc etc etc and on and on and on. 

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