Rose, Beasley, Mayo, or Gordon?

but do you think B Easy is head and shoulders above rose?
truth, i know that wasn't directed at me, but i don't think any player in that group is head and shoulders above one of the others, buti'd take Beasley for the reasons DoubleJs stated.
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I dont know just yet who will be the best out of these 4 because it is WAY to early to call. BUT in that USC vs. Memphis game earlier this year Mayo seemed toshut Rose down all game.


If you are talking about freshman talent i dont know how Love's name isnt included. He has been a beast at UCLA so far.



I honestly think Mayo has the rawest talent of them all and i think it would improve his game a lot to stick around SC for another year. They would be damngood next year if he did too.
 
Mayo will be the best pro.

His offense is not polished, but the last few games he has taken a step back and relied on his teammates.

Mayo is used to taking over and doing what he pleases, relying heavily on that raw talent. He can't get away with that at this level or at any level above HS ball. When he is on the big stage, he wants to take control and shoulder the burden, often causing him to make mistakes (bad shot selection and turnovers).

He is coachable, from what I see, and he has bought into Tim Floyd's defensive minded philosophy. His defense has been outstanding and it is often overlooked. Then again, nobody cares about defense anymore, especially in the NBA.
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Miami seems to be positioning themselves for a chance at one of these guys

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I watched Beasley play two times and he is unguardable.

Think the sky is the limit for Beasley and Rose as far as potential goes.

Gordon and Mayo on the otherhand I cannot help but feeling that I know what kind of NBA players they will be and it doesnt get me excited.
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Beasley will have the toughest growth pattern in the NBA. He's a great rebounder for a freshman and from what I have read about him he spends lots of timeworking on his game without the basketball. This means he's doing lots of sprint drills, cuts, screen and rolls, and rebounding. His enemy is the NBA frontcourt. There are way more bruisers in the NBA than high school or college. Beasley could get tossed around like a rag doll by some dominant NBA bigs.

I think Rose will be the best pro simply because he's a big point guard. He can score, he can pass, and he rebounds. He's the Jason Kidd of hisgeneration.

Eric Gordon looks really nice as well. He can score in bunches. His defense is pretty good, but his real game is dribble penetration.

Mayo will be the worst of the four, but even that won't be that bad. Mayo is a head case. He might be as good as Jason Richardson, but it all depends onwhether he chooses to drop back shoot bad shots or go to the rim to get easier shots.

The #1 pick will all depend on which team is selecting #1 overall. If it is the Knicks you have to draft Derrick Rose.
 
Beasley is def the player with the most 'dominant' pro potential, but he's most raw too....Gordon is the most exciting player, Rose is the bestskillset, OJ is most polished...

the reason why OJ wont go ahead of neither of them players is because of the fear that's much closer to peaking as a player as opposed to the other 3(especially Beasley & Gordon) who are looked at to have all this massive potential...OJ still that dude tho (where all the hate for him on here go?)...Ifthe draft happened today, Beasley be #1



The biggest problem I see is one of these dudes getting drafted by the Knicks, and then getting caught up and contaminated with the character of that team,which I can easily see happening...
 
Originally Posted by thetruth03

He's 6-9 and projects a 4/3 in the pros...whats wrong with his height?

As for the debate...Beasley is head and shoulders among all those dudes as far as professional potential goes. He's different from the rest in that physically...he is a man child. That kid already has an NBA body with a pro game to go with it. There is SOOOOO much more to his game than what he has showcased so far. He plays the post at KSt because he has to anchor that awful offense but he's also a wing. He can put it on the floor...he can shoot it...he can defend (when he wants)...there just isnt much you can do to stop him...his biggest problem is his mentality OFF THE COURT.

If i had to rank them

1 - Beasley
2a - Rose
2b - Gordon
4 - Mayo

Rose is the prototypical point guard. Big, strong, fast, extremely athletic and can see the floor. I think he's a can't miss pro. Over time he will learn that he can't always get by on his athleticism which he's finding out now...Once he gains more poise and eliminates some of that erratic play he has a tendency to fall into he'll be a star. Gordon is probably the best scorer out of the group. Im just interested in how he will effect the game on the next level beyond that. Right now...i'd say he translates as a bigger...stronger...more athletic Ben Gordon. I want to see Sampson make him the primary ballhandler at IU to develop his skills as a lead guard. He doesnt have to be an elite passer like a CP3 or a Kidd...but if he can hold that point guard slot and be in control with it...he'd be right on the same level with Rose. Mayo has the tenacity and the swagger of a superstar...and the attention to go with it...but as far as skills go...I see nothing about his game that makes him better than the other three. Gordon is a better scorer than Mayo...he can do everything Mayo cans but the thing that separates them is Gordon's range. Mayo is never going to be as good at running the point as Rose...he's not a beast like Beasley is physically. I think the only way he becomes better than the other three is his work ethic. Depending on how much work he puts in...he could be better than all of them. But everything im basing my opinion on about their pro potential is just based on skill level
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nice breakdown..

but do you think B Easy is head and shoulders above rose?

I might be a little bias because i've known Mike since he was in the 8th grade and I've watched him (and Durant...we all went to schooltogether and played together)...grow into something special. But...from an unbiased POV...here is why I say this...

The game is built on big men. Mike is a beast down low...he has classic low post big man ability...but he's almost like a hybrid between the old and newbig man...the one that can play on the perimeter and shoot. He's like the best of both worlds. To me...his inside-outside game is what sets him apart fromthe rest. Me and my friends have this debate all the time...but I think Mike is even more talented than Durant...he isnt better because he never put in thework Kevin did and isnt as skilled...but as for as talent goes he is more naturally gifted than Kevin. He does NOT put his heart into the game all time...andstill goes out and gets 30 and 20 like its nothing. I think the game comes easier to him than the other 3.
Beasley could get tossed around like a rag doll by some dominant NBA bigs.
Dude is 6'9 240...SOLID...nobody is going to toss him around like a rag doll. He's cut from the Al Horford, Al Jefferson, etc. moldphysically and you see what they're doing in the post in the league.

m a Rose fan but I 'm upset with his lack luster effort to create his own or a strive to take over.

He's not that type of guy who is going to force the issue...9 times out of 10 he's going to make the RIGHT play for the team instead of making a playfor himself. He's also on a team where he doesnt HAVE to force the issue. Everyone keeps bringing up the USC game. First i'd like to note...that makingsomebody shoot 3 for 9 is not exactly shutting them down...and shooting 6 for 20 is not exactly playing well either. But what seperates their performances thatgame is that Rose was able to make things happen in other areas of the game. He hit the boards...pushed the tempo...controlled the offense and made everyoneplay at HIS pace...and came out with the W. Thats the difference between them.
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Mayo seemed to shut Rose down all game.
Fam you obviously didn't watcht that game.. OJ mayo DID NOT shut down derrick rose.. USC's defensive gameplan was to take Rose out of thegame.. He saw Box 1 defensives, and 2-3 defenders throw his way the entire game.. Rose still grabbed 9 boards, pushed the ball, and hit big shots down thestretch.. Mayo ended up shooting SC out of the game..

I might be a little bias because i've known Mike since he was in the 8th grade and I've watched him (and Durant...we all went to school together and played together)...grow into something special. But...from an unbiased POV...here is why I say this...

The game is built on big men. Mike is a beast down low...he has classic low post big man ability...but he's almost like a hybrid between the old and new big man...the one that can play on the perimeter and shoot. He's like the best of both worlds. To me...his inside-outside game is what sets him apart from the rest. Me and my friends have this debate all the time...but I think Mike is even more talented than Durant...he isnt better because he never put in the work Kevin did and isnt as skilled...but as for as talent goes he is more naturally gifted than Kevin. He does NOT put his heart into the game all time...and still goes out and gets 30 and 20 like its nothing. I think the game comes easier to him than the other 3.


Again, good analysis.. Good luck to your boy.. i hope he humble enough to be productive in the league cuz he's a beast out there..
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Hopefully the T'wolves get the #1 pick. Al Jefferson and Beasley could be the best 4-5 combo in the league ...Marion and Stoudemire play in a positionlessoffense, but we'll have to see how Chris Kaman plays when Brand returns.
 
rose is the best athlete, playmaker, and has the best basketball instincts of the group....

that being said.... beasley is a 20-10 guy RIGHT NOW in the NBA imo
 
Umm, it took Al Jefferson a few seasons to get used to the bruising style of the low post NBA game. Al Horford wasn't a high schooler coming direct to theNBA either.

Beasley will not haul down 10 boards a game in his rookie season unless he plays for a Timberwolves team absent Al Jefferson.
 
Umm, it took Al Jefferson a few seasons to get used to the bruising style of the low post NBA game. Al Horford wasn't a high schooler coming direct to the NBA either.
It didnt take Al Jefferson a few seasons to get used to a bruising style of play. He simply DIDNT get an oppurtunity to play on a THEN playoffteam. Even still...nobody "pushed him around"...you can't push around somebody that size. As for Horford...his experience doesnt have anything todo with him not getting pushed around. At that SIZE...whether he's coming in as a high schooler or a college junior...nobody is going to be able to bullyhim down in the paint. Just like nobody will bully Mike.
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Originally Posted by thetruth03

Mayo seemed to shut Rose down all game.
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Fam you obviously didn't watcht that game.. OJ mayo DID NOT shut down derrick rose.. USC's defensive gameplan was to take Rose out of the game.. He saw Box 1 defensives, and 2-3 defenders throw his way the entire game.. Rose still grabbed 9 boards, pushed the ball, and hit big shots down the stretch.. Mayo ended up shooting SC out of the game..

I most definitely watched the game, and i never said that OJ had a great game either but he did take Rose out of the game for the most part. And theybarely won. If a few of those shots would have dropped for OJ then SC wins that game. Really for as good as Memphis is (or supposed) to be it shouldnt haveeven been all that close. Rose had some big turnovers early on and if i remember right he had like 5 points in regulation. If he is the star those sure arentstar numbers. Oj did infact shoot the trojans out of the game missing a whole bunch of shots down the stretch, like i said if a couple of those would havedropped SC wins that game.
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<--- is wondering what's Bill walker doing right now. last time I heard he had his ACL operated. NT used to love him.
 
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Originally Posted by thetruth03

Mayo seemed to shut Rose down all game.
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Fam you obviously didn't watcht that game.. OJ mayo DID NOT shut down derrick rose.. USC's defensive gameplan was to take Rose out of the game.. He saw Box 1 defensives, and 2-3 defenders throw his way the entire game.. Rose still grabbed 9 boards, pushed the ball, and hit big shots down the stretch.. Mayo ended up shooting SC out of the game..

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I most definitely watched the game, and i never said that OJ had a great game either but he did take Rose out of the game for the most part. And they barely won. If a few of those shots would have dropped for OJ then SC wins that game. Really for as good as Memphis is (or supposed) to be it shouldnt have even been all that close. Rose had some big turnovers early on and if i remember right he had like 5 points in regulation. If he is the star those sure arent star numbers. Oj did infact shoot the trojans out of the game missing a whole bunch of shots down the stretch, like i said if a couple of those would have dropped SC wins that game.
You just emphasized the main difference between the two....

OJ shot his team out of the game...Derrick didn't....if you don't see the difference between their performances and their overall impact on their teamsthen i don't know what to tell you.
 
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<--- is wondering what's Bill walker doing right now. last time I heard he had his ACL operated. NT used to love him.
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He's still at KSt. He's a freshman averaging 15 and 7.
 
well i can't say off top who's better....it all depends on what you are looking for....they all can score.....unfortunately not all of them candefend.....but overall player i would have to go with Derrick.....I have played with and against this guy and he just seems to make everyone around himbetter.....but the problem with him has always been that he is too unselfish....i can't make the same argument about all of the other freshmen.....
 
Bayless >*
surprised no one else has mentioned him. he's really been phenomenal this season.

as for those four i think Rose really is the best prospect. his team mentality is going to buy him many years in the L.
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