These sat for a long time when they released in 06(?). I remember getting them below retail. They came precreased wore them a few times, then they went to the place in the back of the closet were sneakers go to die. This last summer though I started wearing them again as beaters. Played ball in them a few times midsole was becoming unglued. I took them with me to Spain on vacation, and they stayed there. Having more room in my luggage was more valuable to me. I'm on the fence on getting these. I love me some fours, but they lost their luster.