Originally Posted by dmbrhs
Okay, I've skimmed through about 40 pages of this thread and the one thing that comes to mind is this: logo abuse. Gucci, LV and Burberry are the main culprits.
The logo-heavy lines from those designers are not high fashion. They are constructed by these designer labels for two reasons: free advertising for the designer, and for the wearer to broadcast how much money they spend on clothes. Everyone knows how much a Burberry wallet, a Burberry polo, and a Gucci belt cost. And it's cheaply made. Burberry, for example, is the worst. Their wallets feel like plastic. They're terrible.
People obsessed with status symbols buy this stuff, but true high fashion (and fashion sense) lies in pieces that make sense with a wardrobe. If you're rockin' Sean John jeans with a Gucci belt, then you look like a fool. I have plenty of designer stuff, from Armani Collection to Michael Bastian, and even Burberry, but you'd never know who made what unless I told you. No logos.
I think it would behoove a lot of you to move past the logos and appreciate what some designers have out there based on how it all looks together, or at least how you can make it look with your wardrobe, rather than choose one item at a time that doesn't make sense.
And don't misinterpret this post, there's nothing wrong with the labels I mentioned early in this thread. They are pioneering fashion houses that have defined fashion for years (or 150, in the case of one of them), but they can be pulled off with better sensibility. LV is a relative newcomer to clothing, but the brand is ubiquitous. They have taken advantage of a marketing opportunity that costs them next to nothing.
I wasn't going to respond to this but since Jersey hasn't responded to my other post and I want encourage Dakingii to shake his head and then click the back button when he sees the wall of text (and the fact that I am bored at work), I figure I'd go ahead and give an opinion, or two.
To be honest, I agree with most of what you said and it is pretty much what Jersey has been saying. I don't think you can say these high branding is not high fashion. LV started this branding/all-over print deal with their luggages and bags even before it was relevant in the clothing industry and it truly is high fashion in that sense. Sure, they make LV buckles and Gucci monogrammed jackets that scream the brands name but goddamn it, some of they looks really good. I always say to myself, I won't be a walking ad for these brands but if they look good, they just look good. Like the LV belt buckle, I wish I could hate it but every time I go to NM or Saks and the SA has them on with some slim pants and tucked in dress shirt, they just looks good. And in my opinion, you cannot really argue with what looks good.
Now me, I am all for people wearing logo-heavy lines, but I choose the more subtle route. Black Gucci monogram on a black base, little Burberry print on the polos and the Prada red stripe on my shoes. I'm not going to lie though, I also have some noticeable logo branded clothes but I do not really it makes less high fashion. Fashion is subjective and really based on how a person views it. You may not see Gucci and Burberry as high fashion and see Armani Collezione as one but step out of NT, visit StyleForum and Armani, LV, RL, Gucci, Prada, etcc.. you name it will get ripped apart and people there will just laugh at you for considering this high fashion. So it is nothing against you, I'm just saying, it is all relative. Some wants to say: "I have nice, expensive clothes but no one will know unless they ask>" WHile others prefer the: "look at me, got my money right and I'm letting you guys know." Nothing wrong with either one, works the same way with driving a BMW compared to Honda, both gets the job done, but it's all about showing what you got and can afford at times.
Making sense of the wardrobe and the pieces that go with it isn't high fashion. I mean look at the runway show of these high fashion brands, 90% of the time, you find no one wearing the exact same thing as they do in the real world. Look at how designers dress, they are smart and makes great clothes but sometimes, even their wardrobe arrangement is very questionable. Which bring back to fashion being subjective. I guess I'm not really disagreeing with, but instead just providing a different point of view.
As for quality, it is rare to find a company now-a-days that makes great quality products. Even your Armani Collezione (which is Armani's diffusion line) would probably be compareable to Gucci and Prada in quality, probably less. I've had a Burberry wallet from a few years ago and I thought quality was great.