Official Air Jordan 11 Retro "Bred" - The aftermath.... No Buying/Selling/Trading

glove72 · Dec 25, 2012

mohotjs said:
Very interesting. Tell me what you all think. What percentage of people buying always or most of the time get more than one pair?

i used to buy double every top 10 shoe I owned...got to a point where I lost track of how many pairs I had of each shoe. When I moved last spring, I sold of 10-12 pairs of doubles I had.

sneakerfan1 · Dec 25, 2012

cashm0neyand1 said:
glove72 said:

Then you have the guy in the other thread who traded his foams for a pair of Lebron X Cutting Jade...and came on here to tell everyone about it...

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dont know what everyone likes about the cutting jades. they look terrible to me. General release of that shoe and they would still be available. LIMITED, everyone runs to try and cop

Cutting Jades were a GR.

beerdrum108 · Dec 25, 2012

bigj505 said:
blame nike not people for reselling.
people flip whatever there is a demand for whether its a Tickle Me Elmo, Nintendo Wii, or shoes. There is nothing illegal about it so its pretty much no reason to say its not respectable. They arent making anyone purchase from them. Including you.

I'm not saying it's illegal. It puts up another roadblock for people to buy the shoes. By resellers purchasing 5, 6+ pairs it takes away that amount from the normal market for people to buy from. Yea, maybe some people need to turn to sneaker reselling to make some money. But when we DON'T buy from resellers, who's losing? The people who wanted the kicks for $160+tax but are no longer willing to shell out over $200 for them. And resellers also lose because with the large number floating around today, they aren't making too much money off the pairs they are trying to resell. The time spent on hunting down stock and buying them might not even be compensated enough by the money they receive.

Yes, I agree that some of the blame is on Nike, but you have to agree that resellers also play a role.

prft2k10 · Dec 25, 2012

glove72 said:
Resellers wouldnt make a dime if there weren't people so desperate to buy kicks that they almost double.
Nike, does nothing but put their product out. We are the ones that put it on a pedestal and determine what the market value and worth is...then we're mad because people outside our world have figured this out and exploit our thirst?

THIS.... Its simple, far easier said than done but hey want to get the sneaker game back where it used to be tell the resellers to shove it and keep their sneakers, good luck sitting on a FSR. Basically don't bid on ebay, don't hit them up on CL, don't inquire about what people have to sell in their sig for a dime above retail. Really wish we could spark a movement but no one would abide by it even though we would be the ones benefitting. Once that method loses profitability we'll be good but that won't happen. Just a thought...

bigj505 · Dec 25, 2012

beerdrum108 said:
bigj505 said:

blame nike not people for reselling.
people flip whatever there is a demand for whether its a Tickle Me Elmo, Nintendo Wii, or shoes. There is nothing illegal about it so its pretty much no reason to say its not respectable. They arent making anyone purchase from them. Including you.

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I'm not saying it's illegal. It puts up another roadblock for people to buy the shoes. By resellers purchasing 5, 6+ pairs it takes away that amount from the normal market for people to buy from. Yea, maybe some people need to turn to sneaker reselling to make some money. But when we DON'T buy from resellers, who's losing? The people who wanted the kicks for $160+tax but are no longer willing to shell out over $200 for them. And resellers also lose because with the large number floating around today, they aren't making too much money off the pairs they are trying to resell. The time spent on hunting down stock and buying them might not even be compensated enough by the money they receive.

Yes, I agree that some of the blame is on Nike, but you have to agree that resellers also play a role.

honestly, its the game of supply and demand that nike plays.

ie - they drop one colorway in extremely limited numbers to build hype then GR the rest hoping the momentum helps with sales.

I mean, Yeezy's only go for what the go for because nike decided to bring out extremely limited numbers. Simple supply and demand and Nike is the only one to blame. Cant be mad at resellers for capitalizing on the market.

beerdrum108 · Dec 25, 2012

glove72 said:
Resellers wouldnt make a dime if there weren't people so desperate to buy kicks that they almost double.
Nike, does nothing but put their product out. We are the ones that put it on a pedestal and determine what the market value and worth is...then we're mad because people outside our world have figured this out and exploit our thirst?

I agree with you on this. I'm just annoyed that a lot of us aren't able to get a pair for retail that we want to wear. And then I see a million pairs pop up online for marked-up prices. In the end, the consumer definitely plays a key role.

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

bigj505 said:
blame nike not people for reselling.
people flip whatever there is a demand for whether its a Tickle Me Elmo, Nintendo Wii, or shoes. There is nothing illegal about it so its pretty much no reason to say its not respectable. They arent making anyone purchase from them. Including you.

Interesting point of view.

glove72 · Dec 25, 2012

beerdrum108 said:
I agree with you on this. I'm just annoyed that a lot of us aren't able to get a pair for retail that we want to wear. And then I see a million pairs pop up online for marked-up prices. In the end, the consumer definitely plays a key role.

I made the analogy a few pages back...only select companies can "create" a false supply and demand...Disney does it when they open the vault and re-release their classics for a limited time..

Difference is soccer moms aren't shooting each other over Cinderella on Blu Ray

bigj505 · Dec 25, 2012

beerdrum108 said:
glove72 said:

Resellers wouldnt make a dime if there weren't people so desperate to buy kicks that they almost double.
Nike, does nothing but put their product out. We are the ones that put it on a pedestal and determine what the market value and worth is...then we're mad because people outside our world have figured this out and exploit our thirst?

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I agree with you on this. I'm just annoyed that a lot of us aren't able to get a pair for retail that we want to wear. And then I see a million pairs pop up online for marked-up prices. In the end, the consumer definitely plays a key role.

honestly, a smart consumer can generally compete with a dumb resellers.
some dudes use their rent money to buy up pairs and others sell shoe X when shoe Y drops when they dont have any money.

Shoes with hype but mass production see initial spikes then drop to retail or below in the following weeks/months due to the pure saturation the market holds. Eventually, the prices go up again as the supply starts to evaporate. The goal is to realize when the value is at its best and purchase.

A prime example is the 2010 Pearl Foamposite Pro. Nike massed produced that shoe so much that they were selling on the after market in new condition for less than 200. Now they going for near 300.

eg978 · Dec 25, 2012

beerdrum108 said:
I'm not saying it's illegal. It puts up another roadblock for people to buy the shoes. By resellers purchasing 5, 6+ pairs it takes away that amount from the normal market for people to buy from. Yea, maybe some people need to turn to sneaker reselling to make some money. But when we DON'T buy from resellers, who's losing? The people who wanted the kicks for $160+tax but are no longer willing to shell out over $200 for them. And resellers also lose because with the large number floating around today, they aren't making too much money off the pairs they are trying to resell. The time spent on hunting down stock and buying them might not even be compensated enough by the money they receive.
Yes, I agree that some of the blame is on Nike, but you have to agree that resellers also play a role.

I honestly think that Nike has nothing to do with it . You have to look at it from a manufacturing point of view . The Air Jordan line is not the only type / style sneaker Nike manufactures and there's only so much material they can obtain at a time . I'm blown away that Nike was able to manufacture 500,000 pairs of the playoff's .

Us old timers have hurt alot of the hypebeast's feelings by rocking these gorgeous. Premium sneakers and rubbing it in there faces that they simply CAN'T get them after the release date at your local foot locker ( you all know you have told one of the hypebeast's before " once there sold out you can't get them " ) Thus they run to eBay and CL all foam mouthed trying to hunt them down .

I speak by experience , rocked my DB 4's to see skyfall 007 in IMAX when it first came out . My girls , cousin brought her boyfriend with her ( double date ) he absolutely fell in love with them . Asked me where I got them and I told him the truth " Nike town , but these are exclusive , they sold them out right at opening " . He stayed quiet and that night on my news feed in Facebook I saw him posting up " looking for the superman Jordan's " .

I laughed when I told him flight club had them for $850 .00 ( at the time ) . He got all mad . But I bet if they was under 5 he woulda coped them .

The end . lol

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

This too is interesting Beerdrum108. I totally agree with you. It's kind of hard to know where the line is drawn on consumers ability to resell, and the right to purchase a sneaker (or anything for that matter) for retail price. After all, retail is the price that the company producing the shoe sets. So each time a reseller sells, he/she is interfering with that right. On the other hand, resellers have rights too. You can do what you want with what you purchase. I just wonder how many resellers making above the amount required for filing taxes are actually filing!

oldsole73 · Dec 25, 2012

Reselling will truly be the death of the sneakergame....Believe me. It's been going on for years but not at this magnitude. Older shoes definitely understandable because of the quantities available and time which has passed since the release. New shoes that release and 5 minutes after you see screen shots from NDC selling Ridiculous. Just my take... if you know me then you will understand what I stand for and that's trying to bring a little love back to this cutthroat sneakergame.

http://www.corkclothdotcom.wordpress.com

glove72 · Dec 25, 2012

mohotjs said:
This too is interesting Beerdrum108. I totally agree with you. It's kind of hard to know where the line is drawn on consumers ability to resell, and the right to purchase a sneaker (or anything for that matter) for retail price. After all, retail is the price that the company producing the shoe sets. So each time a reseller sells, he/she is interfering with that right. On the other hand, resellers have rights too. You can do what you want with what you purchase. I just wonder how many resellers making above the amount required for filing taxes are actually filing!

There are no rights in the free market...there is no Occupy Nike...

And if you are selling your own personal property you are not a company, you do not need to file taxes. You paid the tax on the purcahse. No different than selling a ring a the pawn shop.

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

bigj505 said:
honestly, a smart consumer can generally compete with a dumb resellers.
some dudes use their rent money to buy up pairs and others sell shoe X when shoe Y drops when they dont have any money.
Shoes with hype but mass production see initial spikes then drop to retail or below in the following weeks/months due to the pure saturation the market holds. Eventually, the prices go up again as the supply starts to evaporate. The goal is to realize when the value is at its best and purchase.
A prime example is the 2010 Pearl Foamposite Pro. Nike massed produced that shoe so much that they were selling on the after market in new condition for less than 200. Now they going for near 300.

Do you think that this is all Nike's doing, or do counterfeiters and B-grade sellers also boost these numbers? I have not pulled the trigger on several pairs of Concords because even though they look authentic, if they are not "okayed" to be released by Nike, I consider them something other than the official article. Several of these kinds of sneakers flood Ebay and other sites, with unsuspecting buyers obtaining them. So considering that, would you say that the market prices that you see on the web are not always worthy, and that the market for any one particular shoe is "tainted"?

xzeroguy · Dec 25, 2012

Interesting how NDC sells out the fastest always, and most sellers I see on eBay have the NDC receipt screenshots when they are selling the shoes... I bet 60% of the sales are being re-sold. This wasn't how it was 10 years ago.

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

glove72 said:
There are no rights in the free market...there is no Occupy Nike...
And if you are selling your own personal property you are not a company, you do not need to file taxes. You paid the tax on the purcahse. No different than selling a ring a the pawn shop.

I agree. But there are alot of people that make alot of money each year selling sneakers, and I would not want to be the reseller that has to speak with an IRS agent about how much money I made doing so during any particular year! I don't think this happens often, if at all, but you know as well as I do; if the IRS can, they will!

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

xzeroguy said:
Interesting how NDC sells out the fastest always, and most sellers I see on eBay have the NDC receipt screenshots when they are selling the shoes... I bet 60% of the sales are being re-sold. This wasn't how it was 10 years ago.

You're right!

thaking404 · Dec 25, 2012

glove72 said:
Resellers wouldnt make a dime if there weren't people so desperate to buy kicks that they almost double.
Nike, does nothing but put their product out. We are the ones that put it on a pedestal and determine what the market value and worth is...then we're mad because people outside our world have figured this out and exploit our thirst?

Yep! Supply and Demand is the way of the world.

kingkoz · Dec 25, 2012

Wow...half a million pairs? Resellers will be pissed in a few weeks.

bigj505 · Dec 25, 2012

mohotjs said:
bigj505 said:

honestly, a smart consumer can generally compete with a dumb resellers.

some dudes use their rent money to buy up pairs and others sell shoe X when shoe Y drops when they dont have any money.

Shoes with hype but mass production see initial spikes then drop to retail or below in the following weeks/months due to the pure saturation the market holds. Eventually, the prices go up again as the supply starts to evaporate. The goal is to realize when the value is at its best and purchase.

A prime example is the 2010 Pearl Foamposite Pro. Nike massed produced that shoe so much that they were selling on the after market in new condition for less than 200. Now they going for near 300.

Click to expand...

Do you think that this is all Nike's doing, or do counterfeiters and B-grade sellers also boost these numbers? I have not pulled the trigger on several pairs of Concords because even though they look authentic, if they are not "okayed" to be released by Nike, I consider them something other than the official article. Several of these kinds of sneakers flood Ebay and other sites, with unsuspecting buyers obtaining them. So considering that, would you say that the market prices that you see on the web are not always worthy, and that the market for any one particular shoe is "tainted"?

its 100% nike's doing. if they really wanted to squash reselling, they could. its call rereleasing shoes. they have done it in the past and have the molds and means to do so. or they can produce the heck out of a shoe like they did with the pink foamposites.
isnt it odd they can bring out as many pink foamposites and they released yet release only 1/2 or less of the quantity for the black/stealth foams a few weeks later? people have been waiting for a black foam for years and what they get is a limited GR.

how many posts have you read in here where people say they want to trade these Black/Red XIs for Black/Stealth foams? Dont you think that if the black/stealth foams were produced to somewhat compete with the demand that people MIGHT let the next man get that "Extra" pair they got their hands on?

kingkoz · Dec 25, 2012

oldsole73 said:
Reselling will truly be the death of the sneakergame....Believe me. It's been going on for years but not at this magnitude. Older shoes definitely understandable because of the quantities available and time which has passed since the release. New shoes that release and 5 minutes after you see screen shots from NDC selling Ridiculous. Just my take... if you know me then you will understand what I stand for and that's trying to bring a little love back to this cutthroat sneakergame.
http://www.corkclothdotcom.wordpress.com

It's absolutely ridiculous these days. It all started with the Concords last year and just snowballed with all those "Galaxy" pairs that came out in February. Hopefully Nike just keeps making more pairs and continues to restock shoes so these resellers just give it up.

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

I'm with you kingkoz.

mohotjs · Dec 25, 2012

bigj505 said:
its 100% nike's doing. if they really wanted to squash reselling, they could. its call rereleasing shoes. they have done it in the past and have the molds and means to do so. or they can produce the heck out of a shoe like they did with the pink foamposites.
isnt it odd they can bring out as many pink foamposites and they released yet release only 1/2 or less of the quantity for the black/stealth foams a few weeks later? people have been waiting for a black foam for years and what they get is a limited GR.
how many posts have you read in here where people say they want to trade these Black/Red XIs for Black/Stealth foams? Dont you think that if the black/stealth foams were produced to somewhat compete with the demand that people MIGHT let the next man get that "Extra" pair they got their hands on?

True, True, Good Point. I see what you are saying.

eg978 · Dec 25, 2012

xzeroguy said:
Interesting how NDC sells out the fastest always, and most sellers I see on eBay have the NDC receipt screenshots when they are selling the shoes... I bet 60% of the sales are being re-sold. This wasn't how it was 10 years ago.

Yes and 10 years ago we didn't have iPhones and the ability to order pairs while taking a crap at work . lol

The Internet plays a vital role into the crumbling of the sneaker game that us old timers adore so much .

It's a double edged sword .

glove72 · Dec 25, 2012

bigj505 said:
its 100% nike's doing. if they really wanted to squash reselling, they could. its call rereleasing shoes. they have done it in the past and have the molds and means to do so. or they can produce the heck out of a shoe like they did with the pink foamposites.
isnt it odd they can bring out as many pink foamposites and they released yet release only 1/2 or less of the quantity for the black/stealth foams a few weeks later? people have been waiting for a black foam for years and what they get is a limited GR.
how many posts have you read in here where people say they want to trade these Black/Red XIs for Black/Stealth foams? Dont you think that if the black/stealth foams were produced to somewhat compete with the demand that people MIGHT let the next man get that "Extra" pair they got their hands on?

exactly...smart marketing...if Nike made the Jordan XI year around like a pair New Balance running shoes, how many of you would want them?
Or what if they weren't worn buy MJ? I don't see people fighting to buy Air Uptempos...

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