(Spoilers) ASOIAF Books Discussion (All Books Read Edition) (Spoilers)

I like this theory. A few things are reaching....but it makes sense.

I don't see how yall listen and like this. But refuse to not believe R+L. MAY JUST NOT EQUAL J
 
I've been over theories since last year. I decided to just enjoy stuff when it happens on the show and in the books. All this analysis and theories on everything has been too much quantity / volume wise.
 
Benjen as Daarhio is plausible but R+L=J gets all the kick back? :lol:

Wouldn't Jorah recognize Benjen? You'd think at some point the Mormonts might travel to Winterfell.

Did Ser Barristan travel with Robert to Winterfell? I don't recall.
 
That is how I feel too. Which is half the reason I get annoyed annoyed with r+L stans. Because they incorporate it into the story as if it's truth. On top of GRRM is damn ed if he does damn ed if he doesn't make it happen. If it's not he'll have to back up making connections and explaining some of the reasoningS to what others put together.

If it is he still has to make more connections as to why.
 
Again.... there are no clear cut facts stating it's true.
People are misinterpreted with her walk in the house in clash of kings imo. Taking the vision as rhaegar and lyanna
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Which almost contradicts Ned's fever dream.
 
Naw. You must have missed past post of me defending why it's not that. And supporting different theories. Don't get my other post confused I've dabbled and even like a lot of theories but at this point it's more about just getting this story now and tired of some of these rehashed theories
 
I can see where your coming from...I finished reading last year and immediately after went through a lot of the theories. I admit it's easy to get caught up in some of them because of how rich the story is it's easy to want more :lol:

Some of them are ridiculously far fetched ..R+L is kinda on the safe side considering how crazy some of them are
 
so i sat and listened to ctrl Alt Delete vids in my car while I worked all day (i'm on the road about half my work day) and though i like the show, and he uses facts i didnt know a few things or atleast think it was confirmed. he said Arya knowingly warged in to the cats... ??? i had no idea about that. he didnt really back that up and from what i remember reading (which was literally last month binging the entire series again) she didn't.


but i listened to the Tyrion as a targ theory
who is Quaithe (sp?)
and the r+L = J theory


im tellin yall. I dont just hate R+L for the fun of it.
I truly believe more A+L= J if anything...
I've said that here and went over the entire theory here with back ups.
-cliff notes
-raped lyanna
-sent his KG to hold her at TOJ
-his KG was mad about him dying (no mention of Rhaegar)
-Rhaegar did love her but Aerys knew he would probably turn on him
-Rhaegar never wanted those problems with Robert. but he was actually going to try and make a truce with robert but Robert was too fired up.
- the dragon has 3 heads.
- ALL THEIR MOTHERS DIED DURING CHILD BIRTH!!!!!
 
Go listen to the "radio westeros" podcast I posted. They have a good R+L=J episode. That also features your most recent theory I believe.
 
Tdogg2k said:
so i sat and listened to ctrl Alt Delete vids in my car while I worked all day (i'm on the road about half my work day) and though i like the show, and he uses facts i didnt know a few things or atleast think it was confirmed. he said Arya knowingly warged in to the cats... ??? i had no idea about that. he didnt really back that up and from what i remember reading (which was literally last month binging the entire series again) she didn't.


but i listened to the Tyrion as a targ theory
who is Quaithe (sp?)
and the r+L = J theory


im tellin yall. I dont just hate R+L for the fun of it.
I truly believe more A+L= J if anything...
I've said that here and went over the entire theory here with back ups.
-cliff notes
-raped lyanna
-sent his KG to hold her at TOJ
-his KG was mad about him dying (no mention of Rhaegar)
-Rhaegar did love her but Aerys knew he would probably turn on him
-Rhaegar never wanted those problems with Robert. but he was actually going to try and make a truce with robert but Robert was too fired up.
- the dragon has 3 heads.
- ALL THEIR MOTHERS DIED DURING CHILD BIRTH!!!!!
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He has a podcast ?
 
Tdogg2k said:
so i sat and listened to ctrl Alt Delete vids in my car while I worked all day (i'm on the road about half my work day) and though i like the show, and he uses facts i didnt know a few things or atleast think it was confirmed. he said Arya knowingly warged in to the cats... ??? i had no idea about that. he didnt really back that up and from what i remember reading (which was literally last month binging the entire series again) she didn't.


but i listened to the Tyrion as a targ theory
who is Quaithe (sp?)
and the r+L = J theory


im tellin yall. I dont just hate R+L for the fun of it.
I truly believe more A+L= J if anything...
I've said that here and went over the entire theory here with back ups.
-cliff notes
-raped lyanna
-sent his KG to hold her at TOJ
-his KG was mad about him dying (no mention of Rhaegar)
-Rhaegar did love her but Aerys knew he would probably turn on him
-Rhaegar never wanted those problems with Robert. but he was actually going to try and make a truce with robert but Robert was too fired up.
- the dragon has 3 heads.
- ALL THEIR MOTHERS DIED DURING CHILD BIRTH!!!!!
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Don't remember reading this from the book or is this just speculation ?

Also Alt+Shift+X videos aren't 100% fact & even he admits it.

But his theories are derived strictly from the book and he gives a slew of explanations for his findings.

Also helps that his editing is spectacular, using text from the book, videos from the show (the footage that's primarily from the book), and his own pictures.

It's plausible that A+L=J, but imo, far-fetched. I feel once we get the full details on the happenings inside the ToJ in S6 or Book 6, we'll be able to put this theory to rest.

Unless GRRM stretches out Jon's parentage for another 5-6 years which will cause me to go bats**t crazy.



DCMADE said:
He has a podcast ?
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No podcast, he's on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/JaiWbio/videos

He easily makes the best GoT videos on the internet. Highly recommend you watch all his GoT related videos & subscribed to his channel. He use to post sporadically but now he posts more often since he's getting monthly donations.
 
So real talk. All allegiances and theories aside.
How salty will people be if it's not what everyone thinks with r+L=j.
We've talked about damn ed if he does damn ed if he doesnt. But do you think people will turn on him



Btw I did like that alt shift theory of Arya coming back with the mission to kill a resurrected Jon snow and whether or not she can truly become faceless. Or she possibly comes back with Jeyne pools face. Super far fetched but I would accept that theory.
The lone wolf dies alone but the pack sticks together
 
A+L=J ? There are literally soooo many references to Rhaegar & Lyanna that it wouldn't make sense at this point. Not just Dany at the House of the Undying. The most that Aerys gets references is being crazy because, hey, Targaryens are crazy sometimes. Also, consider which KG members were at the Tower of Joy. Arthur Dayne was Rhaegar's best friend and generally considered one of, if not the, best swordsman in the realm.

To touch on Rhaegar v Robert, I don't think they were ever BFF's. If so, he wouldn't have gave Lyanna the crown of flowers instead of his wife at the one tourney. Everyone knew she was betrothed to Robert. But I do think Rhaegar was trying to reign in the other houses that were clearly growing tired of Aerys.

I was thinking about that Lone Wolf quote the other day because....Arya & Jon mainly, you could even say Sansa, they're the only ones alive, mainly on their own.
 
Fantastic4our said:
A+L=J ? There are literally soooo many references to Rhaegar & Lyanna that it wouldn't make sense at this point.
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Again.....show me. Are you speaking of the blue rose references?

Are you going off the tower of joy with the 3 KING guard??
(Which only the king can disperse to leave his side) on top of them hating what jamie did)

Are you speaking of the wet nurse brother that Arya met (which proves absolutely nothing )

Am I missing one?? Point me to it.
 
I think you guys are discounting the fact that George has openly admitted to making some typos and timeline errors in the books. Using where a person was or must have been during another event isn't completely reliable because George has understandably slipped up in the past.

It's part of why this book is taking so long. He's being OCD with the details and has someone else double fact checking him.
 
Tdogg2k said:
Again.....show me. Are you speaking of the blue rose references?

Are you going off the tower of joy with the 3 KING guard??
(Which only the king can disperse to leave his side) on top of them hating what jamie did)

Are you speaking of the wet nurse brother that Arya met (which proves absolutely nothing )

Am I missing one?? Point me to it.
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I'm talking about Rhaegar winning the tourney at Harrenhal. It's referenced a zillion times. Why, if not foreshadowing? There is no mention of Aerys & Lyanna's relationship in the text. Rhaegar's honor is mentioned a million times. Hell are Aerys and Lyanna mentioned at ALL together?

Also Rhaegar was the one interested in prophecy. There must be three! Why mention this soooooo often if it's irrelevant?

The blue rose imagery is also important despite you trying to trivialize them. It's repeated OFTEN in the text. Blue rose (which Ned remembers Lyanna loves and Rhaegar gives her a crown of) in a wall of ice (while Jon is at the Wall). Oh but totally irrelevant.

Yes, it's the KINGSguard, but time and again in the text, members of the KG do their own thing often ex: The Kingmaker before the first Dance of Dragons, the one that smashed Cersei, JAIME KILLING AERYS. Again, Arthur Dayne was Rhaegar's BEST friend and Rhaegar is the crown prince at this point. Aerys wouldn't command them to go to the ToJ with Lyanna instead of to the Trident with Rhaegar. Rhaegar never was openly against his father, especially during the war.

Edric Dayne is irrelevant except to those that think Ned and Ashara Dayne are Jon's parents.

Why go through the trouble to fill his novels with soooooooo many literary devices hinting at it? There are infinitely more R+L references than A+L
 
Tdogg2k said:
So real talk. All allegiances and theories aside.
How salty will people be if it's not what everyone thinks with r+L=j.
We've talked about damn ed if he does damn ed if he doesnt. But do you think people will turn on him



Btw I did like that alt shift theory of Arya coming back with the mission to kill a resurrected Jon snow and whether or not she can truly become faceless. Or she possibly comes back with Jeyne pools face. Super far fetched but I would accept that theory.
The lone wolf dies alone but the pack sticks together
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Sadly I do think people would be salty if r + l = j is false and I bet book readers will blame the show influencing George to change his mind or something. I believe in the r+l theory, but if it turns out not to be the case and its something more interesting then so be it. If it turns out that there is no mystery behind Jon's parentage and he is just Ned's bastard I might feel some type of way. 

Also @Tdogg2k  can we get cliff notes to Arya warging into cats? 
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 I had no idea.
 
WorldBreaker said:
Tdogg2k said:
So real talk. All allegiances and theories aside.

How salty will people be if it's not what everyone thinks with r+L=j.

We've talked about damn ed if he does damn ed if he doesnt. But do you think people will turn on him




Btw I did like that alt shift theory of Arya coming back with the mission to kill a resurrected Jon snow and whether or not she can truly become faceless. Or she possibly comes back with Jeyne pools face. Super far fetched but I would accept that theory.

The lone wolf dies alone but the pack sticks together
Click to expand...
Sadly I do think people would be salty if r + l = j is false and I bet book readers will blame the show influencing George to change his mind or something. I believe in the r+l theory, but if it turns out not to be the case and its something more interesting then so be it. If it turns out that there is no mystery behind Jon's parentage and he is just Ned's bastard I might feel some type of way. 


Also @Tdogg2k
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Sometimes, you just have to steer the course even if people will look back and call it predictable. Not revealing r+l=j to be what people expect will definitely put a sour taste for a lot of people.

I feel like at this point, it's just the "right" thing to do. No need to force a "IM3-Mandarin" twist just for the sake of having a twist.
 
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