So my cotton Niketalk fitted is fading to brown

So ridiculous man honestly. Why is one guy responsible for everything NT design related? Hats, shirts, banners etc. You really think Rajah was the only one capable of handling simple NT designs?  There are so many other great and talented graphic designers and photographers on NT, to continue being hung up on ONE guy is lame. Thought this was a community? There was a dude on here who had one of the most popular hat designs on theclinkroom.com, Basis NY I believe is a NTer he has skills, Fongstarr is wicked on the Illustrator, The guy who makes Random Objects tees, 206 is great etc. I just did a personal drop for Larry Merchant of HBO Boxing. Yet we can't get hats off the ground cause of Rajah. A dude like Fongstarr could handle anything you throw at him with his eyes close and one hand on the trigger. C'mon Meth. 
You'd have more credibility here if 1) you didn't whine about absolutely everything and  2) you didn't whine about absolutely everything because you're still tight about getting banned for insults so many times, which is nobody's fault but your own.
That we rely on Rajah for our merchandising doesn't mean that he's the only person in the universe who's capable of creating great designs.  He was the lead on this project.  He made all of the arrangements and got this thing done from start to finish.  I didn't deal with anyone at Cap City myself.  There's nobody on my contact list I can get in touch with to say, "hey, let's do another cap."  I don't have the original design files, either. 

It's easy to say, "well, just call up their store or something and ask to talk to whoever's in charge then.  Figure it out.  I don't care.  Just do it."  It's no skin off your back.  At the moment, we have more pressing matters to attend to.  People are interested in NikeTalk merch because they love NikeTalk.  The site is the basis of everything we do here and when it's not performing the way it should be, that takes precedence - and I think 99.9% of our users would agree with that.  

Having someone outside the staff handle the design work is one thing, but having someone outside the staff handle all the production and distribution arrangements isn't going to happen.  You don't just say, "oh yeah, people want caps so whoever wants to make stuff with our logos go ahead and do it... and, if you can, see if you can raise some money for charity while you're at it."  We have to be willing to trust somebody with the integrity of the community, and that's not something any of us should take lightly. 
 
Originally Posted by Method Man

So ridiculous man honestly. Why is one guy responsible for everything NT design related? Hats, shirts, banners etc. You really think Rajah was the only one capable of handling simple NT designs?  There are so many other great and talented graphic designers and photographers on NT, to continue being hung up on ONE guy is lame. Thought this was a community? There was a dude on here who had one of the most popular hat designs on theclinkroom.com, Basis NY I believe is a NTer he has skills, Fongstarr is wicked on the Illustrator, The guy who makes Random Objects tees, 206 is great etc. I just did a personal drop for Larry Merchant of HBO Boxing. Yet we can't get hats off the ground cause of Rajah. A dude like Fongstarr could handle anything you throw at him with his eyes close and one hand on the trigger. C'mon Meth. 
You'd have more credibility here if 1) you didn't whine about absolutely everything and  2) you didn't whine about absolutely everything because you're still tight about getting banned for insults so many times, which is nobody's fault but your own.
I care nothing about your credibility though, you are not my employer nor the person who manages my art account.
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You continue to make long winded posts with overexerting rhetoric and little substance. You know NOTHING about design and or making merchandise and you want to tell ME about credibility? Check the diploma from Columbia in graphic design if my online "cred" is a problem. How is it possible that Hardaway33 (an NT member) is able to produce tees and other merch in mass quantities with well executed designs? Yet you all continue to fiddle around on something simple as T-Shirts? NT has been featured in NY Times TWICE, yet you can't make a simple phone call to Cap City? Why not contact Ben Baller I'm sure dude got connects.
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How many people are on staff? You mean to tell me you can't designate someone to be in charge of NT shirts and hats? Hats are one thing, I understand that can be difficult. But shirts are so easy to produce, you all are just stubborn and want to make things harder than they really are and or don't want to take outside advice.

But my advice (although it doesn't matter cause my credibility is shot cause I don't feel the need to Disney filter myself) you should link up with Hardaway and see how he is pressing shirt. His name is solid on NT and his business is doing well. I'm certain he can point you all in the right direction. Not that hard to OK designs and have them pressed even with Yuku server issues. Email/phone call only takes minutes. OR just do away with NT merch if it's too stressful, obviously you all are rebuilding Rome...and that takes time.

http://niketalk.com/topic...7-lt?page=1#.T22CZcxZ9Rk

-The Juice
 
Wish I still had mines, hat was so huge I HAD to let it go.

That 3/4 fit like a 8 1/2


I need like a 7 or 7 1/4 in this to fit like a 5/8 that I actually wear.
 
Hmm, everything worth saying has been said. On another note I'm taking mines to the new era store to get it and the others cleaned for the summer. Does the new era store ever worsen the cap?
 
I care nothing about your credibility though, you are not my employer nor the person who manages my art account.   

You continue to make long winded posts with overexerting rhetoric and little substance. You know NOTHING about design and or making merchandise and you want to tell ME about credibility? Check the diploma from Columbia in graphic design if my online "cred" is a problem. How is it possible that Hardaway33 (an NT member) is able to produce tees and other merch in mass quantities with well executed designs? Yet you all continue to fiddle around on something simple as T-Shirts? NT has been featured in NY Times TWICE, yet you can't make a simple phone call to Cap City? Why not contact Ben Baller I'm sure dude got connects.  How many people are on staff? You mean to tell me you can't designate someone to be in charge of NT shirts and hats? Hats are one thing, I understand that can be difficult. But shirts are so easy to produce, you all are just stubborn and want to make things harder than they really are and or don't want to take outside advice. 


So much misplaced hostility over a message board's t-shirts... and I thought Yuku had security issues.

Speaking of a "long winded post with overexerting rhetoric and little substance" you just puffed yourself up and went through all of that nonsense just to say the same thing that I already said:  that I, personally, don't deal with the merchandise.  We did designate someone with professional design experience (and, frankly, I'd put his resume up against yours any day) to be in charge of the merchandising, but he's been MIA lately.  

You haven't volunteered for the job.  You haven't shared your portfolio.  You don't have any meaningful advice to bring to the table other than, "ask somebody who's been successful at selling designs on here and have THEM do it."  Solid insight there.  In essence, you're just volunteering OTHER people to do the work?  I can tell you to run 20 miles right now.  It won't make me sweat.  

In the past, you've complained about Rajah being the designer - and I think by now the motive there is pretty transparent - but, although you've convinced yourself that you're better qualified than he is, you never took the time to submit anything of your own.  If somebody presented me with a great design, why wouldn't I consider it?  Rajah and I have talked about doing design contests etc. in the past and that may happen in the future, but, when it comes to execution, what's so difficult to understand about preferring to have someone on staff who's done this work for large, well-known brands handle the legwork?  Do you really think there's a long line of similarly qualified - and trustworthy - people willing to do all of this for free?  None of the names you've mentioned have volunteered their services for this task.  I'm not so egotistical as to think that it's an "honor" to ask someone to do so much work for free - even if the ultimate goal is to benefit charity.  All of the people you named have the resources to do their own charitable fundraisers if they wish.

It requires nothing (save, perhaps, gall) to ask someone else to labor on your behalf.  That's your contribution to this discussion?  Thanks.

As for what I plan to do with MY time, the website itself takes priority.  All of this is predicated in the continuing success of the community and the amount raised for charity from merchandising is penny ante in comparison to what the site itself has generated and is capable of generating.  We mainly create merchandise because our fellow members enjoy it, not because it's a solid revenue driver for us.  The Japan and Somalia fundraisers involved no wasteful physical merchandising and were FAR more successful at raising money for disaster relief efforts using only digital incentives.  

Not everyone wants a t-shirt, no matter WHAT the design, but EVERYONE here wants the site to be the best it can be.  Even if all you personally care about is merchandising, improvements to the front page etc. would make it infinitely simpler to let people know about product releases, so it doesn't make any sense to put the cart before the horse.  

I may type more than the average user, but at least I'm not all talk. 
 
Originally Posted by JuiceEsquire

Originally Posted by Method Man

I would like to, but I haven't heard from Rajah in ages and he's the one who put all of this together with the Cap City crew.  

So ridiculous man honestly. Why is one guy responsible for everything NT design related? Hats, shirts, banners etc. You really think Rajah was the only one capable of handling simple NT designs?
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There are so many other great and talented graphic designers and photographers on NT, to continue being hung up on ONE guy is lame. Thought this was a community? There was a dude on here who had one of the most popular hat designs on theclinkroom.com, Basis NY I believe is a NTer he has skills, Fongstarr is wicked on the Illustrator, The guy who makes Random Objects tees, 206 is great etc. I just did a personal drop for Larry Merchant of HBO Boxing. Yet we can't get hats off the ground cause of Rajah. A dude like Fongstarr could handle anything you throw at him with his eyes close and one hand on the trigger. C'mon Meth.

-The Juice

What'd you do for Merchant?
 
Originally Posted by JuiceEsquire

Originally Posted by Method Man

I would like to, but I haven't heard from Rajah in ages and he's the one who put all of this together with the Cap City crew.  

So ridiculous man honestly. Why is one guy responsible for everything NT design related? Hats, shirts, banners etc. You really think Rajah was the only one capable of handling simple NT designs?
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There are so many other great and talented graphic designers and photographers on NT, to continue being hung up on ONE guy is lame. Thought this was a community? There was a dude on here who had one of the most popular hat designs on theclinkroom.com, Basis NY I believe is a NTer he has skills, Fongstarr is wicked on the Illustrator, The guy who makes Random Objects tees, 206 is great etc. I just did a personal drop for Larry Merchant of HBO Boxing. Yet we can't get hats off the ground cause of Rajah. A dude like Fongstarr could handle anything you throw at him with his eyes close and one hand on the trigger. C'mon Meth.

-The Juice


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Hey, hey.....keep me out of this.

But for real though. Get 206 or MSTRPLN to do some hats. Those guys already have been putting out hats on Clinkroom. They pretty much have the experience of putting out a proper fitted for NT.
 
Originally Posted by HankMoody

Why not? I'd rock it if I had one. I'm not embarrassed of who I am. Are you?
In terms of going around the world and screaming, "Look people I am a Niketalkers" yea I am.
 
Originally Posted by Method Man


I care nothing about your credibility though, you are not my employer nor the person who manages my art account.   

You continue to make long winded posts with overexerting rhetoric and little substance. You know NOTHING about design and or making merchandise and you want to tell ME about credibility? Check the diploma from Columbia in graphic design if my online "cred" is a problem. How is it possible that Hardaway33 (an NT member) is able to produce tees and other merch in mass quantities with well executed designs? Yet you all continue to fiddle around on something simple as T-Shirts? NT has been featured in NY Times TWICE, yet you can't make a simple phone call to Cap City? Why not contact Ben Baller I'm sure dude got connects.  How many people are on staff? You mean to tell me you can't designate someone to be in charge of NT shirts and hats? Hats are one thing, I understand that can be difficult. But shirts are so easy to produce, you all are just stubborn and want to make things harder than they really are and or don't want to take outside advice. 
So much misplaced hostility over a message board's t-shirts... and I thought Yuku had security issues.

Speaking of a "long winded post with overexerting rhetoric and little substance" you just puffed yourself up and went through all of that nonsense just to say the same thing that I already said:  that I, personally, don't deal with the merchandise.  We did designate someone with professional design experience (and, frankly, I'd put his resume up against yours any day) to be in charge of the merchandising, but he's been MIA lately.  

You haven't volunteered for the job.  You haven't shared your portfolio.  You don't have any meaningful advice to bring to the table other than, "ask somebody who's been successful at selling designs on here and have THEM do it."  Solid insight there.  In essence, you're just volunteering OTHER people to do the work?  I can tell you to run 20 miles right now.  It won't make me sweat.  

In the past, you've complained about Rajah being the designer - and I think by now the motive there is pretty transparent - but, although you've convinced yourself that you're better qualified than he is, you never took the time to submit anything of your own.  If somebody presented me with a great design, why wouldn't I consider it?  Rajah and I have talked about doing design contests etc. in the past and that may happen in the future, but, when it comes to execution, what's so difficult to understand about preferring to have someone on staff who's done this work for large, well-known brands handle the legwork?  Do you really think there's a long line of similarly qualified - and trustworthy - people willing to do all of this for free?  None of the names you've mentioned have volunteered their services for this task.  I'm not so egotistical as to think that it's an "honor" to ask someone to do so much work for free - even if the ultimate goal is to benefit charity.  All of the people you named have the resources to do their own charitable fundraisers if they wish.

It requires nothing (save, perhaps, gall) to ask someone else to labor on your behalf.  That's your contribution to this discussion?  Thanks.

As for what I plan to do with MY time, the website itself takes priority.  All of this is predicated in the continuing success of the community and the amount raised for charity from merchandising is penny ante in comparison to what the site itself has generated and is capable of generating.  We mainly create merchandise because our fellow members enjoy it, not because it's a solid revenue driver for us.  The Japan and Somalia fundraisers involved no wasteful physical merchandising and were FAR more successful at raising money for disaster relief efforts using only digital incentives.  

Not everyone wants a t-shirt, no matter WHAT the design, but EVERYONE here wants the site to be the best it can be.  Even if all you personally care about is merchandising, improvements to the front page etc. would make it infinitely simpler to let people know about product releases, so it doesn't make any sense to put the cart before the horse.  

I may type more than the average user, but at least I'm not all talk. 

Why do you think everything is hostile? I said my piece, if it came across as hostile than that's my fault. But as far as me not submitting anything, is 2 things: 1.) I'd never design for you (not that you are looking) not hostile just saying. And 2.) I agree with you, I'm at that point where I no longer have to do free commissions. You have a big point there.  Now if you would like me to show you my portfolio and resume just to quiet you/compare with Rajah, I will have no problem doing so. But at the end of the day....I'm sure you truly do not care, nor do I.  My ego is not that big to where it's my life's dream to prove you wrong, despite your beliefs. No one has come to volunteer cause you all NEVER gave that option (aside from redesigning the banner). I'm sure if you gave opportunity, someone would take it. As far as my advice, it's a sound one. Why wouldn't you ask a member how he is able to mass produce? I brought up other members names as to say that there are others who could do the job, you just have to present it. Don't try and spin it as if I'm trying to "pimp" other people out for their services, you can chill with that one.

And lets get something straight, I voice/type my opinion, just because it never agrees with your views doesn't mean I'm "tight" or "hostile". It's a message board, opinions are 95% of the posts on here. So with that said, I will continue my "crusade" and you will continue to ban me. It's a song and dance, that I have grown to find adorable. There is nothing I can do about you, and there is nothing you can do about me other than ban me.

-The Juice
 
Originally Posted by HankMoody

Why not? I'd rock it if I had one. I'm not embarrassed of who I am. Are you?

insecure, scared that people may judge him, he might not fit in, they won't accept his friendship on fb 
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Originally Posted by kiendienn

Originally Posted by HankMoody

Why not? I'd rock it if I had one. I'm not embarrassed of who I am. Are you?

insecure, scared that people may judge him, he might not fit in, they won't accept his friendship on fb 
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But nah forreal I have never owned a cap. I don't wear them never did. Just curious as to if people actually wore NT hats though. Didn't know NT had hats in the first place.
 
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Originally Posted by HankMoody

Why not? I'd rock it if I had one. I'm not embarrassed of who I am. Are you?
In terms of going around the world and screaming, "Look people I am a Niketalkers" yea I am.


Word. That's why I don't go outside. I don't want people to know I'm alive. It's too pretentious to throw my existence into others' faces.
 
Originally Posted by Mccheesy

Originally Posted by JuiceEsquire

Originally Posted by Method Man

I would like to, but I haven't heard from Rajah in ages and he's the one who put all of this together with the Cap City crew.  

So ridiculous man honestly. Why is one guy responsible for everything NT design related? Hats, shirts, banners etc. You really think Rajah was the only one capable of handling simple NT designs?
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There are so many other great and talented graphic designers and photographers on NT, to continue being hung up on ONE guy is lame. Thought this was a community? There was a dude on here who had one of the most popular hat designs on theclinkroom.com, Basis NY I believe is a NTer he has skills, Fongstarr is wicked on the Illustrator, The guy who makes Random Objects tees, 206 is great etc. I just did a personal drop for Larry Merchant of HBO Boxing. Yet we can't get hats off the ground cause of Rajah. A dude like Fongstarr could handle anything you throw at him with his eyes close and one hand on the trigger. C'mon Meth.

-The Juice

What'd you do for Merchant?
Remember that fight when Merch told Mayweather he was kick his @%% if he was 50 years younger? I did a little poster in reference to that, HBO and Merchant caught wind of it and wanted to press a small copy of posters. Larry thanked me and signed a copy for my brother who is a huge fan of boxing. A cool experience. Did some stuff for Orbit gum and I worked with GM for about 2 years working on in house designs and sometimes chevy commercials.


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Hey, hey.....keep me out of this.

But for real though. Get 206 or MSTRPLN to do some hats. Those guys already have been putting out hats on Clinkroom. They pretty much have the experience of putting out a proper fitted for NT.
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my bad bro, I just wanted to show love to other designers, you were like the first that came to mind.

-The Juice
 
Originally Posted by HankMoody

DCAllAmerican said:
Originally Posted by HankMoody

Why not? I'd rock it if I had one. I'm not embarrassed of who I am. Are you?
In terms of going around the world and screaming, "Look people I am a Niketalkers" yea I am.


Word. That's why I don't go outside. I don't want people to know I'm alive. It's too pretentious to throw my existence into others' faces.

^ this had me dying. I thought I was the only one...
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And lets get something straight, I voice/type my opinion, just because it never agrees with your views doesn't mean I'm "tight" or "hostile". It's a message board, opinions are 95% of the posts on here. So with that said, I will continue my "crusade" and you will continue to ban me. It's a song and dance, that I have grown to find adorable. There is nothing I can do about you, and there is nothing you can do about me other than ban me. 

You go out of your way to phrase your "opinions" in disrespectful ways, so you can keep that.  It's the reason you've been banned, not because you have some problem with me.  I couldn't care less about what you think of me, personally.  People disagree all the time.  We don't ban them for that.  We ban people for failing to demonstrate the requisite respect for their fellow members, and that's been your problem from day one.  

If "all I can do" is keep you from ever posting here again, then I think that's pretty significant.  You're posting at this moment because I've allowed you to do so, not because I'm "powerless to stop you."  

It is painfully obvious now that you're jealous of Rajah.  If you thought the "job" was beneath you, then why care if you're "better qualified?" 

But for real though. Get 206 or MSTRPLN to do some hats. Those guys already have been putting out hats on Clinkroom. They pretty much have the experience of putting out a proper fitted for NT.


Recognize the pattern here?  

I'm not seeing any volunteers.  I'm seeing people volunteer other people to do the job.  

The difference is, fongstarr has stayed classy and isn't complaining.  He isn't being petty and taking digs at other people's work. 

Now if you would like me to show you my portfolio and resume just to quiet you/compare with Rajah, I will have no problem doing so.


That's your insecurity.  I don't care about your "porfolio."  I don't care if you have a graphic design degree from Columbia, and English degree from MIT, or a home economics degree from Harvard.  I don't care that he's designed for Jay Z and you've designed for a 90 year old boxing analyst.  He offered to do the work.  You didn't.

All you've done is complain and suggest that other people do the work.  Apparently, you're hurt because you thought that I should've just "asked you" out of respect for the resume you never showed me and/or the designs you never shared.  

Get real.

I brought up other members names as to say that there are others who could do the job, you just have to present it. Don't try and spin it as if I'm trying to "pimp" other people out for their services, you can chill with that one. 


It takes no effort to suggest that other people do the work for you.  You're not offering assistance, you're suggesting that I ask other people for their assistance.  Thanks for nothing. 

If you want something to happen, make it happen.  That's what Rajah did.  He wanted caps.  He had the design.  He had the contacts at Cap City.  I signed off and he got it done.  No excuses.  He didn't say, "boy, I sure would like to see a NikeTalk cap... *sigh*... I hope they'll ask me to do one..  but I could never put myself out there and risk rejection.  That would just crush me."  

I've been open to user-submitted designs from the beginning.  If someone wants to volunteer their time and talent to help us raise money for charity, great.  We're certainly not above considering well-intended proposals from our fellow members.  I welcome that. 

However, don't expect me to beat down other people's doors to beg them to do our design work for free.  Not everyone would consider that pitch as flattering as you seem to. 

Having said all of that - not one person here asked for your take on a NikeTalk cap.  What I am seeing is a growing list of people expressing interest in a restock of THIS CAP.

Now, where can I get THIS SAME DESIGN?  From you?  No, I think Rajah has that.  And if we want to tweak that to keep the first release special and/or update the patch, then we at the very least need to keep the same base design and maintain a similar feel.  Rajah's pretty well qualified to do that.  Oh, and he was also our liason with Cap City.  

So, yeah, there are a few reasons why he strikes me as the natural choice to get this done.  

At the moment, caps aren't our first priority.  We need to make site improvements to make such a release more effective and easier for our fellow users to keep up with.  Pinned topics don't really cut it.  If I have all of that in place, people are begging me for a restock, and Rajah's nowhere to be found - then I'll spend some time trying to get in touch with Cap City, see if I can get the original design from them, and find someone to tweak the design.  And if, at that point, people are clamoring for a NEW design, then perhaps we'll do a design competition.  But if you're asking me why there's no restock NOW, you have your answer.  

You can take it or leave it. 

Rajah's not the only person in the entire world who's capable of making great NikeTalk designs, but the feedback we received regarding this cap has been overwhelmingly positive thus far.  Perhaps you just have to accept that people outside your "preferred list" of non-volunteers can do a great job, too. 
 
^I'm not reading all of that. Sorry Meth, you are right and I am wrong. Moving on.

Everyone note that I just lost to Meth in a battle of wits.

-The Juice
 
Originally Posted by djaward

Anybody else hear a deep voice when reading METHODMANS post? Something like James Earl Jones type??

I get more of the 'you shall not pass' vibe from his posts
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I understand where OJ's coming from. The design does seem a little too simple to represent such a popular message board, but on the flip side sometimes less is more I guess. Might be too early to rehash it anyways, as it's already been established as an iconic symbol for NT.
 
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