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Size preference

  • True to size

    Votes: 101 48.3%

  • True to size runs snug, but feels fine

    Votes: 40 19.1%

  • Runs small, need to go .5 size up

    Votes: 50 23.9%

  • Runs big, need to go .5 size down

    Votes: 28 13.4%
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StillIn729 said:
is an 8.5 in the Racers gonna be too small? I am a 9 usually
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Depends on the width of your foot and if you are a true 9. If your foot is wide or if a size 9 usually fits your perfect then they'll probably be too small. If you have a narrow foot or you have some wiggle room in a 9 you might be okay.
 
Got a pair of Flyknits, I initially wanted the black/white colorway but once I saw this colorway in person and the black just tones down the volt colorway just right, it's still attention-getter but it certainly isn't as bright as my Volt Pegasus 29.
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Love this shoe but I can't justify spending $150 for these, especially because they are so thin and don't have much material in them
 
Can the volt fly knit trainers still be purchased anywhere online for retail (11.5) or am I SOL at this point? Any help/info is much appreciated.
 
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brian to the b said:
I've read it the other way around. TTS for the racers and sizing down on trainers. I've only tried on the trainers myself though and I sized down.
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i have narrow feet and went half size down on the trainers. if you have wide feet, i suggest go true to size with the trainers
 
comacoma33 said:
Definitely worth the $150. And then some.
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chill with that talk, Nike already reads these boards & they will gladly raise the price on you

I like these shoes too, but $150 is pushing it. The flyknit technology has greatly decreased production costs, with less material waste and fewer steps in production, it would've been great to see this priced at around $100..pass the savings onto the consumer for once.
 
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Trill Clinton said:
chill with that talk, Nike already reads these boards & they will gladly raise the price on you


I like these shoes too, but $150 is pushing it. The flyknit technology has greatly decreased production costs, with less material waste and fewer steps in production, it would've been great to see this priced at around $100..pass the savings onto the consumer for once.
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Less materials doesn't always equal less money, the production process also has to play a factor. The procedure or mechanism or machine Nike made/produce/bought to knit materials well enough that it is durable and robust could cost Nike a lot from the start.

I remember wanting to buy some grill for the lower fascia of my old car and mine had fog lights and they needed to make a cut out on the grill for the fogs and it cost more than those that doesn't have a cut out. It cost more because it took an extra process to cut the metal to specification. So in essence it is made of less material but to produce it takes an extra step. The same can be said about the knit materials, the extra process to make the "knit" probably cost Nike a lot. Of course Nike is still making a lot of profit from these shoes w/o a doubt but their profit is probably about the same as say Lebrons or Kobes or any of their regular shoes but to get the profit, they had to charge more.

And your crazy to think that Nike would actually pass the savings to the consumers. :lol:
 
RFX45 said:
Less materials doesn't always equal less money, the production process also has to play a factor. The procedure or mechanism or machine Nike made/produce/bought to knit materials well enough that it is durable and robust could cost Nike a lot from the start.
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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-15/is-nikes-flyknit-the-swoosh-of-the-future

In this case the new production process has made a huge difference in efficiency

The computer-controlled weaving technology, which knits the entire upper part of the shoe in a single piece that’s then attached to the sole, promises to cut labor costs and production time while also increasing profit margins and opportunities for personalization. It may even bring some shoe manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. In traditional shoemaking, machines cut scores of pieces that workers must then assemble. By reducing or removing that step, the most labor-intensive part of the process is eliminated—along with the main reason for making shoes in Asia’s cheaper labor markets. “This is a complete game-changer,” says Charlie Denson, president of the Nike brand. The process cuts costs so much “that eventually we could make these shoes anywhere in the world.”

But I completely understand that cost of production isn't always a factor when pricing a product, especially since Nike is touting this as a revolution in shoe making, it makes sense that they would price this as a high end item.

Here's another good article

http://www.sustainablebusinessorego...nikes-flyknit-has-a-sustainable.html?page=all
 
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I'm sure, regardless of cost, Nike sees Flyknit as a new and unique technology that they can justify a higher cost for. Released them in a few limited HTM colorways before everything to generate demand then in smaller quantities for the GRs at select retailers and online while providing pairs to everyone on the US Olympic team in the most visible colorway possible and the results are pretty steady sales. ****, the Finishline release sold out pretty quick a month later.

It'll be interesting to see if the interest remains with the next Flyknit releases, those new models coming out in the spring, I believe. After that, with any future releases, the cost of creating the Flyknit technology and machinery becomes somewhat marginalized and is no longer as new and unique but wil Nike continue to expect the same demand and will the price be justified? You know damn well they'll try by creating new limited releases and collaborations if they can.
 
Good article Trill, thanks for the link.

I think in the long run, those machines will make it more profitable but not from the get go. I mean if the machine that makes the weaves cost a million dollars or two and then the cost to operate it is another million or so then I think that is more expensive than outsourced labor?

Just like with any new technology, they'd have to sell it expensive at first to make-up the cost as soon as possible and then once it's more efficient and they make their money back then maybe they can lower the price? Or at least make more shoes that eventually we'll see these pairs go on sale. Where I got my flyknits, the manager told me that their shipment was delayed by a whole month because Nike didn't produce enough. For a non-general release shoe, that is a bit peculiar unless Nike does take a bit more time to make the shoes and the shipments were delayed? I know demand is high but stock is allocated to store orders and would Nike really pull certain stores shipments to sell somewhere else? I really don't know what's going on but it seems like most stores, even some Niketowns, are barely getting their shipments in.


I think in a year or two, we'll see some affordable flyknits that will likely be fused with a free sole, maybe it's the future uppers for the Free Runs?
 
RFX45 said:
Good article Trill, thanks for the link.
I think in the long run, those machines will make it more profitable but not from the get go. I mean if the machine that makes the weaves cost a million dollars or two and then the cost to operate it is another million or so then I think that is more expensive than outsourced labor?
Just like with any new technology, they'd have to sell it expensive at first to make-up the cost as soon as possible and then once it's more efficient and they make their money back then maybe they can lower the price? Or at least make more shoes that eventually we'll see these pairs go on sale. Where I got my flyknits, the manager told me that their shipment was delayed by a whole month because Nike didn't produce enough. For a non-general release shoe, that is a bit peculiar unless Nike does take a bit more time to make the shoes and the shipments were delayed? I know demand is high but stock is allocated to store orders and would Nike really pull certain stores shipments to sell somewhere else? I really don't know what's going on but it seems like most stores, even some Niketowns, are barely getting their shipments in.
I think in a year or two, we'll see some affordable flyknits that will likely be fused with a free sole, maybe it's the future uppers for the Free Runs?
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The term that you are looking for is call 'economies of scale.' When a product is new and only a limited production is made, the cost is high. When production becomes available, the initial cost of the production and the machines to produce are spread among many more units. The same goes for R&D. The more units produced, the more the cost is spread. If initial costs are $1,000,000 for a single manufacturing machine and $5,000,000 for R&D, and only 100 units are made, then the cost of manufacturing, excluding the per unit costs like materials, is $60,000 per unit. If 1,000,000 units were produced then the cost per unit is spread to $6 per unit.

The shipments were delayed due to manufacturing problems. As of a month ago, there are only 4 of the machines in the world that produce the Flyknit material and Nike had 2 of them. The manufacturing process is very complex and Nike could not ramp up production as fast as it would like to. After Nike stream lines the process and ramps up production, the shoes should become more widely available.

There has already been photos of a Flyknit with a Free Run sole.
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And I think that the original business week article has been posted in here before

in my opinion, Nike was smart and instead of delaying the release due to production problems, they slow played it in order to still release them and to capture the marketing opportunity of the Olympics.
 
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cutthroat said:
The term that you are looking for is call 'economies of scale.' When a product is new and only a limited production is made, the cost is high. When production becomes available, the initial cost of the production and the machines to produce are spread among many more units. The same goes for R&D. The more units produced, the more the cost is spread. If initial costs are $1,000,000 for a single manufacturing machine and $5,000,000 for R&D, and only 100 units are made, then the cost of manufacturing, excluding the per unit costs like materials, is $60,000 per unit. If 1,000,000 units were produced then the cost per unit is spread to $6 per unit.
The shipments were delayed due to manufacturing problems. As of a month ago, there are only 4 of the machines in the world that produce the Flyknit material and Nike had 2 of them. The manufacturing process is very complex and Nike could not ramp up production as fast as it would like to. After Nike stream lines the process and ramps up production, the shoes should become more widely available.
There has already been photos of a Flyknit with a Free Run sole.
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And I think that the original business week article has been posted in here before
in my opinion, Nike was smart and instead of delaying the release due to production problems, they slow played it in order to still release them and to capture the marketing opportunity of the Olympics.
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Good points and nice find on the pics.

Those Free soles make the shoes look clunky though, I might be in the minority but I prefer the regular, slimmer free sole like on the FR3. I just like it how the flyknits look like sprinters shoe and with those thick, clunky soles, it'll lose that sprinter shoe look.
 
That's purely aesthetic and I somewhat agree on the Free sole, plus I don't think grooves of the midsole look right with the vertical knit but the at least with the Lunar sole it should be more comfortable.
 
those USAs are gorgeous... i guarantee they feel amazing on foot. i just cant justify paying for these from a reseller.... its unbelievable what people are doing to the shoe game..... my local shop used to sell everything 20% off of retail (retros, foams, etc.) now they are doing the opposite by upcharging everything, its highly disturbing that people are paying 300+ for foams on release day (especially for the ones dropping recently) i hate this expression but SMH!!!
 
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