Has shoe quality gotten better or worse with the rise of flywire/hyperfuse?

Originally Posted by WallyHopp

All I'm saying is, are some of you actually playing in your shoes long enough to feel a difference? I had some ultraflights from 2002 that lasted almost 8 years of weekly play.. Thanks in large part due to the full length zoom air.

Now we have shoes so cheap, thanks in large part to nike outlets and over saturation (just this last week I saw Kobe VIs for $89.99 at an outlet) that we don't even really care about longevity.....

Why care about anything when in 3 months, I can replace what I had, and feel like I actually come out on top. The true reality is dfferent.

I'm sorry but spending $89.99 twice, does not out do what Nike used to do at a retail of $119.99. And those shoes lasting 4 times as long.

We're all caught up in this over saturation maze of confusion... Start keeping track of how long your shoes last and what you are spending, and then compare to the past.... The deal you thought you had is all but lost.
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Last 4 times as long base on what ? I had ultraflight and that shoes can't compete with hyperfuse in term of durability nor performance
A guy who play league ball 3, 4 times a week is not going to have his shoes last as long as a guy who play recreationally once a week

Its all depend on how hard you play and what surface you play on.

Imo if you play primarily indoor then the hyperfuse, lebron, kobe, etc should last you 4-5 months

I mainly play outdoor so most of my shoes won't last for more than 4 months that's why i have more than a few pairs in the rotation

Hyperfuse material is a lot more durable than leather

Imo some of you dudes don't play ball at all. Most Nters are collectors
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. Have you seen the line on release day ? Most are geeks, nerds and out of shape chumps
 
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Originally Posted by WallyHopp

All I'm saying is, are some of you actually playing in your shoes long enough to feel a difference? I had some ultraflights from 2002 that lasted almost 8 years of weekly play.. Thanks in large part due to the full length zoom air.

Now we have shoes so cheap, thanks in large part to nike outlets and over saturation (just this last week I saw Kobe VIs for $89.99 at an outlet) that we don't even really care about longevity.....

Why care about anything when in 3 months, I can replace what I had, and feel like I actually come out on top. The true reality is dfferent.

I'm sorry but spending $89.99 twice, does not out do what Nike used to do at a retail of $119.99. And those shoes lasting 4 times as long.

We're all caught up in this over saturation maze of confusion... Start keeping track of how long your shoes last and what you are spending, and then compare to the past.... The deal you thought you had is all but lost.
Click to expand...
Last 4 times as long base on what ? I had ultraflight and that shoes can't compete with hyperfuse in term of durability nor performance
A guy who play league ball 3, 4 times a week is not going to have his shoes last as long as a guy who play recreationally once a week

Its all depend on how hard you play and what surface you play on.

Imo if you play primarily indoor then the hyperfuse, lebron, kobe, etc should last you 4-5 months

I mainly play outdoor so most of my shoes won't last for more than 4 months that's why i have more than a few pairs in the rotation

Hyperfuse material is a lot more durable than leather

Imo some of you dudes don't play ball at all. Most Nters are collectors
laugh.gif
. Have you seen the line on release day ? Most are geeks, nerds and out of shape chumps
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I was gonna write about the hyperfuse.  I beat the %@#* out of mine and they are still going.  While I like that the newer sneakers are better performers, nike really gets away with one for being able to charge more for a cheaper to make shoe. 
 
i dont understand how people equate lighter/less material to mean "cheap"/poor quality

personally im all for innovation and making a shoe lighter/more breathable. it makes a world of difference on the court

hyperfuse are great shoes and dont really cost any more than shoes used to

old shoes didnt "last 4 times as long" either
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its obvious the people saying they want full grain leather and thick durasheen shorts dont even play basketball
 
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Originally Posted by WallyHopp

All I'm saying is, are some of you actually playing in your shoes long enough to feel a difference? I had some ultraflights from 2002 that lasted almost 8 years of weekly play.. Thanks in large part due to the full length zoom air.

Now we have shoes so cheap, thanks in large part to nike outlets and over saturation (just this last week I saw Kobe VIs for $89.99 at an outlet) that we don't even really care about longevity.....

Why care about anything when in 3 months, I can replace what I had, and feel like I actually come out on top. The true reality is dfferent.

I'm sorry but spending $89.99 twice, does not out do what Nike used to do at a retail of $119.99. And those shoes lasting 4 times as long.

We're all caught up in this over saturation maze of confusion... Start keeping track of how long your shoes last and what you are spending, and then compare to the past.... The deal you thought you had is all but lost.
Click to expand...
Last 4 times as long base on what ? I had ultraflight and that shoes can't compete with hyperfuse in term of durability nor performance
A guy who play league ball 3, 4 times a week is not going to have his shoes last as long as a guy who play recreationally once a week

Its all depend on how hard you play and what surface you play on.

Imo if you play primarily indoor then the hyperfuse, lebron, kobe, etc should last you 4-5 months

I mainly play outdoor so most of my shoes won't last for more than 4 months that's why i have more than a few pairs in the rotation

Hyperfuse material is a lot more durable than leather

Imo some of you dudes don't play ball at all. Most Nters are collectors
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. Have you seen the line on release day ? Most are geeks, nerds and out of shape chumps
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so much true
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i remember playing basketball at high school every year i have to change the shoes becoz it's already completely worn out after 4-5 months bought from the store,i used it 3-4 times a week for practice
 
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Originally Posted by WallyHopp

All I'm saying is, are some of you actually playing in your shoes long enough to feel a difference? I had some ultraflights from 2002 that lasted almost 8 years of weekly play.. Thanks in large part due to the full length zoom air.

Now we have shoes so cheap, thanks in large part to nike outlets and over saturation (just this last week I saw Kobe VIs for $89.99 at an outlet) that we don't even really care about longevity.....

Why care about anything when in 3 months, I can replace what I had, and feel like I actually come out on top. The true reality is dfferent.

I'm sorry but spending $89.99 twice, does not out do what Nike used to do at a retail of $119.99. And those shoes lasting 4 times as long.

We're all caught up in this over saturation maze of confusion... Start keeping track of how long your shoes last and what you are spending, and then compare to the past.... The deal you thought you had is all but lost.
Click to expand...
Last 4 times as long base on what ? I had ultraflight and that shoes can't compete with hyperfuse in term of durability nor performance
A guy who play league ball 3, 4 times a week is not going to have his shoes last as long as a guy who play recreationally once a week

Its all depend on how hard you play and what surface you play on.

Imo if you play primarily indoor then the hyperfuse, lebron, kobe, etc should last you 4-5 months

I mainly play outdoor so most of my shoes won't last for more than 4 months that's why i have more than a few pairs in the rotation

Hyperfuse material is a lot more durable than leather

Imo some of you dudes don't play ball at all. Most Nters are collectors
laugh.gif
. Have you seen the line on release day ? Most are geeks, nerds and out of shape chumps
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your aware that you said indoors they should last 4-5 months, and outdoor 4 months also
 
Quality is about the same, but Nike needs to stop being cheap and placing zoom air ONLY in the forefoot. It's just a way for them to save and maximize their profits. I love the Hyperfuse just like everyone else, but the lack of heel and forefoot zoom or full length zoom ruins it for me. The flywire gimmick also maximizes profit for them, playing in a shoe with a plastic upper doesnt sound too good to me.
 
how light the shoe is the only thing that it has changed. the quality sucks and definitely the COMFORT. i rather have a comfortable shoe than it being light. playing 30 games in a season your feet need good cushion.
 
All those things are gimmicks and a excuse for Nike to use less leathers and more plastics.

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IMO, performance of the shoes is akin to back in the day. There are some good, some bad, some awful, and some excellent.

No doubt the Kobe V is a performance beast, but so are some Hyperflights and the Jordan XIV even. However, flywire material definitely rips a lot easier than leather in game. I ball in 2 pairs of Kobe V's and they both have rips, and my LeBron VII's are peeling a bit.

Flywire is a combo of financial + technical innovation, however, there's nothing wrong with good old leather.
 
leather isn't just leather. people always seem to want leather, but there is good leather and bad leather. in order to hit pricepoints and whatever else, they would end up using the worst, cheapest leather which is PU coated anyways, so its plastic. The newer materials can be welded, woven, etc, so they rely less on hand sewing. You saw with those knitted marathoners that manufacturing is getting more and more automated, and using people and material more efficiently. The prices keep going up because Nike is a capitalist company, and as one, it is based on growth. This means the cost needs to continue to go down and the price needs to continue to go up. Bigger margins is the number one priority every season.
 
overall i would say its better but the flywire doesn't offer much support i have rolled my ankle pretty bad wearing hyperdunks
 
I don't like all this cutting back on material prices to increase margins. As someone pointed out, nike is obviously a capitalist corporation and has to increase EPS every quarter but doing so by providing inferior quality to increase the margin is a big con and we're putting up with it. Instead of producing more volume they give us gimmicks and rubbish quality.
 
truthfully IMO the NEW Flywire packages are good.... everything else is a gimmick... hyperfuse synthetics never a great fit (very stiff and hurt for a couple of wears... not to mention NO foam in the collar packages and tounge always rubbing....)
 
How can some of u guys say quality is worse ??? When u try to wear a Jordan from #2to# 11 u have to watch out for your midsole to make sure it doesn't crumble or your sole coming off ..please tell me does anyone think the Lebron 9 or the kobe 7 or the kd 4 will have a midsole that will crumble in 10+ years ..you old guys need to get out of the past Nike is about innovation and will continue to grow in technology. If full grain leather shoes were missed so bad ..don't u think some of the NBA players may have put there 2 cents in to Nike and suggest a leather shoe ...I believe no retro Jordan can compete with Lebron or kobes signature line (PERFORMANCE WISE !!!!) and for people saying hyperfuse is plastic its not ...plastic is what's on those fake clear air forces that were popular in the hood a few years back ..lol
 
like others have said, the design and "quality" aren't necessarily better but they are slightly better for performance...still some classic beasts from the early 2000's like the 2k4/huaraches and what not
 
Originally Posted by prince

like others have said, the design and "quality" aren't necessarily better but they are slightly better for performance...still some classic beasts from the early 2000's like the 2k4/huaraches and what not
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It's true. Designers have become real lazy. Most non sig nike shoes are just bland, boring to look at, and basically just the same silhouette with a swoosh sign on it. I'm talking about hyperdunks, hyperfuse etc. 
Compare those to a Pippen II or V, ultraflight, hyperflight, or zoom flight 98

Or the shox bb4 to the new shox, I don't even know what they're called, but it's not worth remembering.

Performance might be better, but design and quality are not. 
 
Not every shoe needs to be made out of leather. More styles and colors can be achieved with different materials.

Personally, I love my Lebron 9s and that they don't crease. In fact, the quality of them seems top notch even though they aren't leather.
 
To me, it's not even the fact that shoes are not made out've leather, it's that the materials used are rigid, and almost sheer like. They offer an extremely lightweight product, but the cost of support and stability isn't worth it imo. You can't have a thin unsteady material to prevent instability and expect a few threads to couple and supersede the lack of support (yes flywire). It's not logical.

Hyperfuse is an interesting concept fundamentally because it cuts weight and materials where it's least needed, and adds addition support in materials where it's necessary (it's nothing new (jordan xi ie) especially in regards to running).

It's hit or miss though, because as far as Im concerned the kobe 6 is just about the second best performance basketball shoe I've ever worn next to the 2k4.
 
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