THE SHOES THAT GOT ME FIRED FROM NIKE

ISS mods are worse than niketalk ones. They got clicks there and one of the adminstrators there is racist. A 17 year old racist punk named jvini is an administrator. A freekin 17 year old administrator! They locked my friendly [member of both niketalk and iss] post for nothing

^ so what.. a 17 year old cannot be an admin? aren't you being discriminatory yourself?

^ 17 is too young and he proved it. real immature. I would give him a thumbs down but, um, well, we dont have a thumbs down smiley here

Does this not happen to everything that can be considered collectible?

Look at Pokemon, Beanie Babies, baseball cards, etc. Once it blows up, the manufacturers take full advantage of that by making as much as they possibly can. I used to collect football and baseball cards. If anybody else did too, can you remember when the first jersey cards came out? It was amazing. Ten years later you can virtually get a jersey card in any pack of cards you buy. Cards are so cheap on ebay now because there are too many options.

I really hope the shoe game doesn't go down like that. I sort of have a hard time believing it will ever die out for the fact that there is so much out there that is so different. There are thousands of different shoes out there in millions of different colorways. Dudes are still buying Air Max 95s ten years later even though it is the same shoe.

I think some of you are taking things a little too seriously. I hate it when people say they have left the game because they don't like the way things go anymore. I just feel like that is such a lame excuse. Each individual has control over how they play this game. And except for the SB hypebeasts, everyone is different. And lastly, be thankful for resellers. Without them alot of us wouldn't have a chance at some shoes that release, including myself. And I live in Northern Virginia! So word to Nike, please put a Niketown in DC you lame asses.

this post is definitely out of hand... in the words of the other method man...


Cash Rules Everything Around Me
CREAM!
Get the money...
Dollar, dollar bill, ya'll...

Anyone know the production numbers on these and how many are out there?
[/center]

just read the whole post and well :\
DJ sorry about your job man.
get paid to read emails



JORDAN 4 RETRO LASER FOR SALE SZ 10.5

You cant say I didnt give you an opportunity here, Steve.

In light of your hypocritical insult on ISS (Gee, I thought that board was laid back and respectful), your conciliatory posts here ring hollow. You had the opportunity to demonstrate that you were above petty personal attacks, to distance yourself from the little tantrum thrown by your employee, and yet you chose otherwise. The same posts you praised on ISS didnt just insult me, they disparaged the NikeTalk community as a whole.

Your disingenuousness is self-evident and wholly unappreciated. It should be clear to everyone at this point that when you talk about respect for NT, youre just blowing smoke for the benefit of your business image. What we all do for NikeTalk, we do for each other. What you do for ISS/SC, you do for yourself.


As someone else stated, actions speak louder than words.

You talk about respect, but you dont demonstrate respect. Though the majority of actual information on your companys message board comes from NikeTalk members, I doubt youd want me posting ads for NikeTalk every few weeks, promoting new features or topics of interest. Yet, for some reason, you expect us to harbor countless solicitations from ISS/Sole Collector. I sincerely doubt youd entertain NikeTalk ads for free regardless of context, much less if I made it a habit to insult you personally and/or the site you represent. However, thats exactly what you seem to expect me to do in this situation. Let me take this opportunity to disabuse you of that farcical notion.


You TALK about supporting the community, and yet all you have to fall back on as evidence is a 3-year-old donation, contradicted by your later actions. You were indeed the first business to donate $100, but you were also the first and ONLY business EVER to actively DISCOURAGE people from donating, once we turned down your cool offer to convert NikeTalk into a promotional tool for your website. Now that you have a taste of everything that goes into running a message board, tell me, would you move your board to Eastbays website and do all that work just to help them sell things to your members? No one with a shred of dignity would. So please, drop the sour grapes act. Your main problem with NikeTalk is, and always has been, that you dont own it.

(Speaking of sour grapes: it seems odd, too, that cyjack didnt even JOIN your message board until he started drawing a paycheck from Sole Collector. Just one of those things that make you go hmm.)

That you have to go back 3 years to find an example of your business being supportive is laughable. $100 is a generous amount, unless evaluated in light of all the unpaid advertising and referrals youve extracted from NikeTalk over the years.

You can barely get an ad in a local paper for $100. Youve exploited NikeTalks advertising capabilities as much as, if not more than, any other business online. So, spare me the altruism hustle.

At the end of the day, it ALWAYS comes back to your business.

You dont support the community. The community supports YOU.


The least you could do is show respect, rather than just talk about it.

---

^^REAL TALK METHOD!!!

Quote:

---

What we all do for NikeTalk, we do for each other. What you do for ISS/SC, you do for yourself

---

Click to expand...

2ND END

Quote:

---

You dont support the community. The community supports YOU.

---

Click to expand...

End.

Quote:

---

It should be clear to everyone at this point that when you talk about respect for NT, youre just blowing smoke for the benefit of your business image. What we all do for NikeTalk, we do for each other. What you do for ISS/SC, you do for yourself.

---

Click to expand...

Meth always knows how to say it best

And if NikeTalk members would all subscribe to the idea that the board was created in order to help each other and at the same time try to forget all the money making possibilities the site would be better off. But the fact remains that we all realize the possibilities available to members for using the site as somewhat of a marketplace. Which is the "downfall" of what the current state of NIKETALK is.

Forreal tho. Those chumps on ISS lock posts that have ANYTHING positive to say about niketalk. I use to drop good info that came from here over there but now i stop going there cuz them fools on there are clueless. Most of them have never been members here and they are quick to respond with anti niketalk remarks.

Still @ Coach Hubie bashing niketalk and tryna say he wasnt banned but left on his own and saying that were all on niketalk in hopes of nike picking us to work for them. what the hell?
For Trade or Sale: DS Olympic VII retro size 12: Looking To Trade For DS X Retro Steey Greys size 12 or 12.5 ezinbox me or email me fkint@yahoo.com

lol wow meth just dropped it hot lol iss got ooooowned

also at coach hubbie bashing LOL that mans a legend(most hated NT'er in the history of NT)

Quote:

---

That you have to go back 3 years to find an example of your business being supportive is laughable. $100 is a generous amount, unless evaluated in light of all the unpaid advertising and referrals youve extracted from NikeTalk over the years.

---

Click to expand...

So what happens next time there is a sole collector event and he wants a sticky post advertisin it here?

meth- you continue to surprise me. thank you for all your hard work throughout the years.


speak softly and carry a big stick -Roosevelt

Damn I'm late, but I love this ****!!!!!

Meth-bombs left and right

I meant to stay away, but after having seen the last Star Wars I just couldn't keep myself from posting this.

For the benefit of those who haven't read Method Man's last two posts, here's a brief summary:



Anyone who does not bow down to his worshipfulness will feel his wrath!

But seriously now, you're going to talk to Steve about supporting the community? Vader, I mean Method Man, please -- take off that mask and breathe in some reality.

Let's see, who is it that's been criss-crossing the country this past year (on his own dime I might add) organizing, planning, coordinating, conducting and participating in FREE sneaker competitions that allow shoeheads to meet IN PERSON, share their collections, meet industry luminaries, see hot kicks and generally geek out on their mutual love of shoes? I'll give you a hint -- his name isn't Method Man.

Who's risked his financial life to bankroll a magazine all about the thing that this community cares most about and yet refused the easy money of advertising from purveyors of fakes (something no other magazine in this space seems to care enough about to avoid)? I'll give you another hint -- his name isn't Method Man.

Who puts in unMethly hours to publish said magazine, filled from cover to cover with content tailored specifically to the desires of this community and often featuring photos and content submitted by said members? One last hint -- his name still isn't Method Man.

So while you sit in the comfort of your home surveying your virtual domain and posting the occasional snide comment, Steve is actually out in the REAL world, putting his *** on the line every day to put out a REAL publication tailored to this community and making possible REAL events that allow members of this community to connect with one another and share their love for shoes.

Incredibly enough, all of that is happening without YOU, and I have more than a hunch that that's part of what has you so tied up in knots.

The bottom line: Method Man, you are not the community -- you're a part of it. NikeTalk is certainly a huge aspect of the shoe world as it exists today, but if the site went away, the shoeheads of the world would not suddenly all disappear in a puff of smoke. It's bigger than you, bigger than me, bigger than Steve or any one person, which is something that you, with your lofty pronouncements about who supports the community and who does not, seem to have lost sight of. I mean YOU, Mr. Keyboard Jockey, telling Steve that he doesn't support the community is downright laughable and shows just how far up in the stratosphere your ego currently resides.

Alright then, that really is it for me (although, if the powers that be decide to delete this, then my previous post really will have been my last entry). As the little green guy said, "into exile I must go." If anyone has questions for me, you know where to find me.

P.S. This post comes from me, as an individual human being, not as a representative of any company or tribe.

This crap is sad. I mean ... downright pitiful.

Are we in a pissing contest here? Because it sure as hell looks like it.

I support the community.
No, I do.
No, he does, you do nothing.

Jesus. H. Christ.

If you don't like NT, don't come here. If you don't like ISS, don't go there.

With that said, continue on with the pissing contest. Let me know who wins.

babydill.

---

http://fakepolice.com

Deigned to return to NikeTalk in the dead of night, have you? So much for the "last post." Oh, and as you've noticed - your account's still active. We're real despots around here. If I disagree with you, I actually have the gall to express my opinion. On this board, we actually do allow other users to disagree with us, too.

Stuff that "bow down to Meth" garbage. Honestly, is it too much to ask that someone treat you with common courtesy, especially if that person consistently expects FAVORS from you? You and Steve have taken catty little shots at me, and now Steves back here trying to smooth things over and pass himself off like a class act without even so much as apologizing for his behavior. It aint happening.

No matter how much you strain yourself to imply otherwise, I havent demanded reverence, allegiance, or loyalty. In fact, the ONLY thing I ask of NT members is that they follow our rules of conduct.

If I were out for praise and profit, I definitely wouldnt have stayed here for five years without asking for or receiving either. I dont know how long youve been here, but praise for our staff is sparse. We try to uphold rules, and thats not exactly the most popular position.

Quote:

---

So while you sit in the comfort of your home surveying your virtual domain and posting the occasional snide comment, Steve is actually out in the REAL world, putting his *** on the line every day to put out a REAL publication tailored to this community and making possible REAL events that allow members of this community to connect with one another and share their love for shoes.

---

Click to expand...

REALly?

Get over yourself.

You're here spewing nonsense about a messiah complex, now you're acting like your boss died for our sins.

You know that marvelous gift your benefactor has so selflessly bestowed upon humanity? It's a PRODUCT, chief.

He's not saving puppies from a meat grinder. He's not feeding orphaned children in Sudan. Hes not donating his kidneys to war veterans or escorting elderly women through intersections. He's selling a magazine for $7.50 an issue and hawking shoes online for prices so expensive that each customer should get a kiss afterward.

All that hard work youve so lovingly extolled is work hes done for himself.

He doesn't take ads from illegal enterprises? My goodness, the man is a saint! If you tell me that he's also foregone the fortune and glamour of dealing drugs, I'm just gonna lose it. Surely, nobody has THAT much integrity.

(In case you forgot, we've been running for five years and we don't sell advertising AT ALL. Forget keeping fake ads out. Our staff has tried its best often at our own expense - to keep ALL ads out. Nice example, though.)

Free sneaker events? Those are called publicity events. Nike subsidizes them, so they're not exactly on Steve's dime, either. Plenty of other companies hold events like these as well. It's not altruism; it's called advertising. Some people enjoy them, and that's great, but it's not like he doesn't expect to get something in return. He's doing it for a reason, and that reason isn't just to light children's faces with joy.

The next time Steve does something "out of the good of his heart" that doesn't have ads for his business stamped all over it, let me know.

For that matter, is there something the man COULD profit from that he hasnt tried to? He cant charge for the ISS board though he uses it to advertise businesses he DOES profit from. He cant charge for those wonderful events, either. Last time I heard, NikeTowns frown on cover charges. They are selling shoes and t-shirts at these functions, too, if Im not mistaken.



Its amazing how quickly you got turned around.

Its laughable that youre actually sitting here, on NikeTalk, trying to convince anyone wholl listen that Im a self-centered egomaniac and the man who pays your salary is a beacon of charitable virtue.

I doubt youll find too many buyers for that load.

Why? Well, for starters, because YOU were offering me unsolicited praise just a few months ago. Man, my transformation from gentle soul to egomaniacal tyrant was FAST! Its funny, though, because it wasnt just your opinion of ME that changed in the last few months, but your opinion of Steve, NikeTalk, and ISS, too.

I read NikeTalk fairly often, and I dont recall any posts where you complimented Steve and ISS before you left FOR ISS. I guess NikeTalk went down the tubes as quickly as I did. You didnt even JOIN ISS until November. In your past life, you referred to NikeTalk as the "downtown" area of the online sneaker community - not as in "ghetto," but as in the heart of the community.

Gosh, whats changed in those 6 months what event has transpired that would cause you to look so fondly upon Steve, SoleCollector, and ISS while regarding NT and I with such raw contempt? Well, Im stumped. Maybe one of our fellow members can help unravel this tortuous mystery


Ive NEVER claimed responsibility for NikeTalks success. NikeTalks success is the result of a group effort consisting of both our volunteer staff AND each and every NikeTalk member.

That I give a significant piece of virtually each and every day to this communitys upkeep isnt something I talk about, its just something I do. In fact, it isnt even who I am, because I try my best to keep my REAL life disentangled from NikeTalk. That allows me to ensure that my involvement with NikeTalk is always voluntary. Its a part of my life when I want it to be.

You can keep pretending I dont have a life outside NT but, unlike you, sneakers ARENT my livelihood.
Its not how I earn my living and its not how I derive my self-esteem.



Am I a selfish egomaniac? Let's play another round of that childish rhetorical guessing game of yours:


Who sells sneaker news and photographs? It's not Method Man!

Who uses the NikeTalk community as a shortcut source of content and advertising for a magazine? It's not Method Man!

Who once recruited a string of friends and acquaintances to praise his contribution to the sneaker community and tenderly kiss him goodbye over the course of his tearful 3-month farewell celebration? It wasnt Method Man!

Who actually makes an effort to keep his name OUT of the press and remain anonymous? Surprise: it's not Steve!


Oh yeah, my egos in the clouds. I regularly turn down media requests. The staff and I regularly turn down opportunities to profit. Why havent you heard about it? I guess Im too busy promoting myself to boast and name-drop.

You want to know the primary difference, though?

We dont HAVE to have someone talk about what we do for the community. Why not?

1) What we do for the community is self-evident.
2) We dont require our members praise OR their money in order to continue doing this. We do it because we believe in it. For us, it's anonymous volunteer work. Not everyone can say that, obviously.


Actions speak louder than words.

In the last five years, Steve has seized every opportunity to profit from sneaker fans.
Weve turned down every opportunity.

As someone else brought up, every time a member posts on Steve's gift to mankind, the Sour Grapes message board, their posts become the exclusive property of (drum roll please) Instyleshoes and Sole Collector. Steve's such a humanitarian.

He's always thinking of his fellow man.

It just so happens that this "fellow man" is his banker.

---

Man, I'm making myself a liar by constantly coming back, but I just had to tell you baby dill that I couldn't agree with you more.

It really is sad and pitiful that it's come to this, but I guess that's how Meth and at least some of his "fellow staff members" now see things.

He seems to think that he and his supplicants are the only "true" representatives of the shoe community, which is really what this thread is all about. He'll deny that he thinks that and call himself just another sneaker fan, but once the Sith hits the fan, the cracks in the facade reveal hints of what lies beneath. You start to hear things seep out like references to shoeheads as "people who don't know any better" and attacks against people like Steve as non-supporters (as if the only way to support the community of shoe fans is to give money to NikeTalk). Please tell me what Steve did to warrant such a response from Meth?

Ah, but his word is golden, his views sacrosanct, and if someone should show even an inkling of disagreement, they must be vilified as heretics or underhanded henchmen working for [insert your favorite evil corporation here].

Look, I'm not the one here demanding respect, or asking people to choose between supporting person-x or person-y, or claiming that "this place would come to a complete halt" (Bastitch's words re: Meth) without me, or saying that person-z is not a true supporter of the community. Neither am I the one calling anyone here "disingenuous" or implying that anyone else is a liar because they disagree with me.

I posted what I did way back on page 5 because I believe that, to the detriment of the board as a whole, a cult of personality has been forming here, and the aftermath of my post has only increased that belief. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't, but if I didn't care about NikeTalk I wouldn't have posted anything at all -- that certainly would have been easier than dealing with the repercussions. But, as a longtime member, I do care about it.

Will it change anything? Who knows, but I really, really hope it does.

And baby dill, if you find out who wins, I'd love to know as well. ;-)

Peace.

Quote:

---

Its amazing how quickly you got turned around.

---

Click to expand...

That just about says it all there.


But im still wondering just how the hell can someone accuse this boards administrators of having messiah like complexes when the ISS board is filled with young punk administrators who act like they are in a fraternity and new members are pledges.

ISS.....now the exclusive home to Coach Hubie/ Count Rockula
For Trade or Sale: DS Olympic VII retro size 12: Looking To Trade For DS X Retro Steey Greys size 12 or 12.5 ezinbox me or email me fkint@yahoo.com

Ah, apparently we were writing up our most recent responses at the same time.

Quote:

---

Deigned to return to NikeTalk in the dead of night, have you?

---

Click to expand...

Pardon me for having to pull an all-nighter -- how wrong of me. Forgive me oh merciful one!

This bitterness is unbecoming Meth. I mean really, look back at your posts and it's just all bitter diatribes.

As for your stuff about Steve, as I noted, everything I posted I posted as an individual. That said, I think what he's done and continues to do stands on its own. If you don't believe me, you can ask the hundreds, if not thousands of folks who've participated in the sneaker comps he's made possible.

And I can tell you that I've thought he's a cool guy for years now -- I didn't realize I was supposed to advertise that on here, I must have missed the memo. I guess if you want documentary proof I could point to the Flash piece he did that I linked to from my Shox BB4 review a few years back, but it seems silly to have to prove that. After all, I don't think I've ever posted on here that I love my mom, but I do.

As for him "saving puppies" and "feeding orphaned children" -- I can't say I recall writing that, but if that's what you equate with your role here on NT, that's good for you I guess.

And for someone who's so selfless and undesirous of accolades, you sure do bring that up alot. You keep saying you don't talk about what you do for the community, and then you proceed to do just that. I'm confused.

And you're anonymous -- am I the only one who can see your screen name in big letters below your posts? My bad if that's the case, I thought everyone could see that.

Finally, on this whole money thing, which you also seem to like to bring up a lot -- in each of the last three years of running Kicksology.net I sunk five figures into keeping that thing running. It made no freaking sense at all, but I did it because I had a love for it and I felt that I was contributing something of value. So if I want to talk about who's sunk more money into this thing, I think I win. But, at least to me, that seems like a stupid way to measure a person's contribution to a community.

Hey, look at me, I burned through more money than you -- whoopee! Does that make me better than you? I certainly don't think so.

But whatever, like baby dill said, this has descended to the pitiful. Think what you want to think and believe what you want to believe Meth. Just try to lighten up a little bit, will you? You're too young to be so unhappy.

wow this thread is so confusin.

i'm tryin ta see it from a non-combative view and basically this it what it LOOKS like.

Prof k seemed really upset that meth dislikes a lot of the things Nike/Jordan brand does ta consumers.

That makes no sense ta me at all.

Remember that reebok review you did Prof with that mock interview/intervention where you bascially badmouthed and insulted them and their shoe utterly and totally and your wife was bendin the shoe in half the wrong way? Why is that any different then what meth has been doin? You had your reasons for humiliatin reebok right? So can't meth have his reasons for his opinion about a shoe company too? You were just a shoe reviewer who did it for free in your spare time so any bias you had was personal and not professional right? Isn't meth in that same exact boat whereas he is not paid ta say things one way or another so whatever he says is his opinion and should be respected as such right?

So if you can please bear with me and not take this as anythin personal maybe it will help explain how lots of other people are seein this.

Now that you are PAID for what you do and in turn instead of just bein a fan of shoes wantin ta help out the community with FANTASTIC reviews, it's your job now with financial consequences. So now when someone else bashes a new shoes technology or a companies practices or the lame quality of a retro and you get personally offended can you see even a little what that looks like ta your average shoe fan or consumer?

You used ta do it when you thought you had a valid reason so why would someone else doin it now offend you? i don't think it should. Like that article you had in one of the first sole collector issues about how you felt retros might not only kill the industry but they were makin you sick of shoes in general. How come it's cool for you ta say that and feel that but it's not cool for meth?

Like i said i don't understand that at all.

And the whole messiah complex thing is simple.

When meth posts anythin, even his opinion he backs it up with logic and reasonin that he feels is valid. This bein NT and meth bein an admin of course a couple dozen people will post right after him sayin stuff like "word" or "on point" or "wow you make me feel dumb with those big words" or "YOU PWNED EM METH!".

Yeah some people actually agree and yeah some people are just sukin up cause he's an admin but NONE of that is his fault or anythin he has control over.

So basically i am assumin you see that stuff and just take it the wrong way.

i honestly believe he doesn't think his opinions are more important than anyone elses. And if other people think they are that just isn't his damn fault.

Much like your post on ISS about all this stuff. A lot of the replies are from people who see YOU as very important person in the shoe community and they just think it's awesome you're postin and sayin yer gonna be around and they'll agree with anythin you say cause you are you. That isn't your fault. That doesn't make you a snob and it doesn't mean you have a messiah complex.

That i would guess is how a lot of us "average" sneakerheads see this thread. You stickin up for the shoe companies/industry and meth stickin up for himself.

Which side would you have been on a couple years ago Prof?

Quote:

---

It's like that spaghetti sauce no one buys ... It's in there...

I just hope certain bombs don't blow...

---

Click to expand...

Quote:

---

One bomb gone off...

Waiting on another...

---

Click to expand...

Quote:

---

My advice -- Wisen up folks. Take actions over words. Don't be blinded and brainwashed.

---

Click to expand...

Officially retired from posting, on top of my game...
"www.FakePolice.com... The situation just got serious..."