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[lamekilla]

Overall budget for this film is in the $400m+ after marketing.
Sony was also expecting to hit $1b with this film, from that same article:

I thought I'd be used to it lames slurping of this film but it's laughable how dude just doesn't get it. I get it when a movie is widely hated by critics but mostly loved by most here, kind of like reverse for IM3 (liked by critics but hated here on NT) but if the consensus matches up with the reviews and people here, then there must be something wrong with the film.

I mean the way you accuse people of being blinded by early reviews applies to you too (lame), you're already making GotG to be a classic when it was first announced and no casting were even made yet. You were already loving this film even before the trailers came out, so I'd say you were already blinded before you saw the film. And you thinking DoFP will suck is just you being as blinded as the old film are making you out to be. Yeah, yeah before people pile on, they have the right to, it's justified, blah blah blah. But I think you can still wait two weeks to pass judgement but even if it is good then I think you'll just hold a grudge on the ASM2 reviews being murdered and "IF" DoFP get praised that you'll just automatically hate it anyways.

There is no way I won't give DoFP it's props if it's good, it just won't happen. I love the xmen...

But if their are any plot holes or obvious inconsistencies and people just so happen to gloss over them and say the movie is awesome just because the general consensus is praising the movie, welp

 

[rfx45]

There is no way I won't give DoFP it's props if it's good, it just won't happen. I love the xmen...

That just makes no sense, you already saying it won't happen, your mind is already made up.

But if their are any plot holes or obvious inconsistencies and people just so happen to gloss over them and say the movie is awesome just because the general consensus is praising the movie, welp

How often does that happen especially here in NT? See how the critics liked IM3 and it got murdered here? Look at Transformers, it still makes money no matter how much crap people talk about it and the critics just plain hates it, the first 3 were rated 57%, 20% and 36%. Bad word of mouth just couldn't stop the third one from making a $1b+.


I have never seen more people more hesitant to believe critics than on NT either so you talking about people liking the film just because it gets praised just isn't true, you're just mad because ASM2 (a movie you loved) wasn't widely liked and you're using that as an excuse (and you'd use any excuse no matter how ridiculous it is) why it isn't making as much money as the studio had hoped, which is true to an extent but their complaints were valid and it wasn't just to sh*t on it for the sake of it. If the movie is really good, then they'd say, stop trying to make it seem like people has a vendetta on ASM2.

 

[rfx45]

Damn, ASM2 wasn't even close to keeping the #1 spot, they lost by $14m to Neighbors $51m opening. Crazy, they'll take an even bigger nosedive the next couple of weeks.


I had this pegged as the #2 biggest BO for this summer but now it'll likely be 4th or 5th. Totally killed my predictions list.

 

[everysingletime]

This is a summer where it's hard to peg what the number one movie is going to be. While there are movies I'm personally excited for, the ranking for me is unpredictable.

Back when I first heard of Jupiter Ascending, I thought that would've been it, but the movie has no hype - zero advertising.

 

[danger style]

This could be the first summer in forever to not have a $300m film.

 

[rfx45]

I think the top 3 is kind of a given, Transformers 4 just isn't going to be dethroned just for the DInobots alone. How to Train Your Dragons 2 has no other big animation competition, it is practically the only film strictly for kids this summer and it's a sequel so it'll be big, Despicable Me 2 made $970m and that is with Monster U competing which made $740m itself plus the Frozen phenomenon that made $1b.

T4 would be the biggest surprise of the summer if it doesn't become this years biggest blockbuster and not just summer. The Last Hobbit film will give it a run for it's money but I think T4 beats it.

 

[IATT]

godzilla or dawn of the planet of the apes will get there

 

[rfx45]

Hard to see Godzilla making $300m domestically, nerdom is huge but not that huge and the general public just knows him and the 90's version still has a bad taste in most peoples mouth. Last I read it is projected for a $60m opening, that was about a month ago though so with the increased marketing it could be projected at $70m now but that is still far from $100m projection for ASM2.

You also got to keep in mind that DoFP comes out next week, so Godzilla has one week for dominance before it gets beaten by the XMen.

 

[IATT]

if godzilla is good i can see word of mouth taking it to that point.. 

everyone knows godzilla, parents and grandparents are going want to see it.. and if fights are cool kids will be there

i'm iffey on dawn of planet of the apes, but the first movie did do extremely well

 

[rfx45]

Just hard to see it making $300m when Cap2 can't even make it there ($50m short last I checked), granted it wasn't released in the summer but Godzilla has stiff competition coming up so I think it's a wash and I think Godzilla has a bigger hurdle in front of it.

 

[everysingletime]

I forgot about T4 and How to Train Your Dragon 2. Yea, those two are pretty much guaranteed top spots.

 

[danikerhino]

Just hard to see it making $300m when Cap2 can't even make it there ($50m short last I checked), granted it wasn't released in the summer but Godzilla has stiff competition coming up so I think it's a wash and I think Godzilla has a bigger hurdle in front of it.

Captain America was really never the most popular super hero though. Godzilla is waaaay more popular worldwide and it's based on past movies and not comic books.

 

[IATT]

i mean i'm really impressed with the numbers cap has done, but i dont think anyone saw a non-ironman or avengers marvel movie doing those numbers..

as much as it pains me, DOFP has a shot.. and unfortunately, t4.. but i hope people have wised up to michael bay's garbage

rise of the planet of the apes was able to do solid numbers and that wasnt an all action movie.. and that had a similar misfire before the last movie

 

[Master Zik]

Wow @ how good Neighbors is doing but I guess in comparison it's really about how bad ASM2 is doing.

 

[rfx45]

Just hard to see it making $300m when Cap2 can't even make it there ($50m short last I checked), granted it wasn't released in the summer but Godzilla has stiff competition coming up so I think it's a wash and I think Godzilla has a bigger hurdle in front of it.

Captain America was really never the most popular super hero though. Godzilla is waaaay more popular worldwide and it's based on past movies and not comic books.

Yeah back then but now, he is top tier hero. Cap got a big boost from Cap1 and Avengers and 64% of the BO numbers for Cap2 came from international tickets ($450m). Internationally, dude is kicking butt which was surprising to most still but you can tell the perception has changed and that is why Marvel could do no wrong right now.

As someone said before, Godzilla is very well known but it is pop culture. Most know Godzilla but has never even seen a single film in it's entirety. Again, the expected opening weekend for Godzilla is at $60-$70m, in comparison ASM2 was in $100m and Cap2 was in $90m iirc. That is a big discrepancy and also DoFP (comes out a week after Godzilla) is expected to open at $125m, yes it's memorial weekend but that is staggering number in comparison, practically double of Godzilla and will take away plenty of tickets away from the giant monster.

I think Godzilla will do good numbers but to be in the the top spot especially domestically, it's hard to imagine when SPidey and Cap can't even reach $300m.

 

[everysingletime]

DoFP is really expected to pull those numbers? Surprising.

 

[krazyrodzilla]

DoFP is really expected to pull those numbers? Surprising.

Actually DOFP 108 million (4 day weekend) and top out at 230. They have Godzilla opening at 78 million and top out at 240 million

Title Release Date Distributor Opening Weekend Cumulative
Tammy Jul 2, 2014 Warner Bros. / New Line
$25,000,000 $105,000,000
Deliver Us from Evil (2014) Jul 2, 2014 Sony / Screen Gems
$17,000,000 $55,000,000
Earth to Echo Jul 2, 2014 Relativity Media
$9,000,000 $35,000,000
Transformers: Age of Extinction Jun 27, 2014 Paramount
$115,000,000 $320,000,000
Think Like a Man Too Jun 20, 2014 Sony / Screen Gems
$37,000,000 $95,000,000
Jersey Boys Jun 20, 2014 Warner Bros.
$15,000,000 $47,000,000
How to Train Your Dragon 2 Jun 13, 2014 Fox / DreamWorks Animation
$78,000,000 $298,000,000
22 Jump Street Jun 13, 2014 Sony / Columbia
$48,000,000 $143,000,000
The Fault in Our Stars Jun 6, 2014 Fox
$29,000,000 $88,000,000
Edge of Tomorrow Jun 6, 2014 Warner Bros.
$33,000,000 $93,000,000
Maleficent May 30, 2014 Disney
$58,000,000 $182,000,000
A Million Ways to Die in the West May 30, 2014 Universal
$27,000,000 $73,000,000
X-Men: Days of Future Past May 23, 2014 Fox
$108,000,000* $230,000,000
Blended May 23, 2014 Warner Bros.
$24,000,000* $56,000,000
Godzilla (2014) May 16, 2014 Warner Bros.
$78,000,000 $240,000,000
Million Dollar Arm May 16, 2014 Disney
$15,000,000 $66,000,000

*4-day weekend

 

[everysingletime]

Interesting how they project DoFP to have the bigger opening weekend but the smaller domestic overall gross (to godzilla)

I wonder how they compute these things.

 

[mikeeeeey]

Interesting how they project DoFP to have the bigger opening weekend but the smaller domestic overall gross (to godzilla)

I wonder how they compute these things.

haven't you ever been to the mall where you take a survey and they play you five trailers and ask you 30 questions about each film? that's how

 

[everysingletime]

Interesting how they project DoFP to have the bigger opening weekend but the smaller domestic overall gross (to godzilla)


I wonder how they compute these things.

haven't you ever been to the mall where you take a survey and they play you five trailers and ask you 30 questions about each film? that's how

That really didn't explain anything, friend.

According to the list they have DoFP opening to 108 but topping out domestically at 230 and Godzilla to open to 70 but finish higher at 240.

Surveys will only tell you how popular a movie is going to be but no way you can compute opening and overall numbers from that

 

[mikeeeeey]

That really didn't explain anything, friend.

According to the list they have DoFP opening to 108 but topping out domestically at 230 and Godzilla to open to 70 but finish higher at 240.

Surveys will only tell you how popular a movie is going to be but no way you can compute opening and overall numbers from that

Think about it take the info you'd get from every survey for that film in 1 mall then imagine the surveys from malls Across America and then they take into account movies based In the genre And how well how long they've kept their certain spots on the movie box office & so on and so forth

 

[danger style]

Interesting how they project DoFP to have the bigger opening weekend but the smaller domestic overall gross (to godzilla)

I wonder how they compute these things.

These box office analysts make projections based on comparisons with past releases around May in previous years. They also take into account that DoFP is a franchise comic book movie sequel which are usually more frontloaded on opening weekend, giving the big opening #, and will experience bigger drop off in subsequent weeks.

Godzilla is a bit different since it's a relatively fresh movie and early favorable review/reactions to promotional material gives it a good chance of having strong word of mouth and performing stronger in later weekends despite not having as big an opening as DoFP.

So in short, study past trends and general audience interest (Twitter, YouTube views, polls.. W/e)

 

[tay1]

Nvm. Somebody was trolling

 

[big j 33]

Finally saw it..

The Good:
- Visually the movie is probably the best Spider-Man has looked on screen. I loved the way they handled all of the effects, fights, swinging, etc. It just looked incredible.
- Gwen and Peter were awesome whenever they were on screen. It goes without saying, but Garfield and Stone's chemistry allowed for a really memorable romantic pairing for a superhero movie.
- Overall the acting was a strong point, and despite a few cheesy lines here and there, the dialogue was solid.
- I loved Spider-man's sense of humor in the movie. Maybe a couple less quips here and there, but it brought a fun element to the action.
- Jamie Foxx was solid.. very strong as Max.. less and less interesting as Electro. I see what they tried to do, no one noticed him, Spider-Man "betrays him", he wants revenge, but it just didn't mean much.
- Dane Dehaan was good as well.
- Felicity Jones is beautiful

The "Bad":
- It dragged. I appreciate everything they tried to do, but when you're trying to keep the audience interested in all these separate stories, you're going to have some of them fall flat. Peter's parents, Peter and Gwen, Electro/Max, Harry returning and dying, Electro and Harry teaming up, and so on. Again, I get why they wanted to focus on everything.. Peter's parents abandoned him, so he's afraid of losing Gwen, which means they can't be together.. and he promised her father and back and forth and on and on.. but still

- I didn't care about Electro once he became Electro. Foxx was fine.. but between the editing and pacing or due to the focus on the parents of Peter/Gwen or all the other stories.. I didn't care. It seemed like they wanted to be able to transition from one story to another and have the audience maintain interest, but they didn't keep the momentum building. It would have been really hard to pull off when you're switching focus as often.

- Not enough Goblin.. which is likely because of time.. you can't include an epic battle with Goblin right after Electro's final fight AND have Gwen's death without the movie going on even longer.. which means we needed to edit some of that other stuff down.

- I appreciated a couple nods to the future films, but I'd rather they focus on THIS story rather than set up the Sinister Six and new Spider-Man sequels. And that goes back to the overall editing and structure issue. Spend more time with Electro, tighten up and maybe condense one or two Peter/Gwen scenes, cut some of the parents, give us a little more Goblin, etc. And I never cared too much about "too many villains" because Rhino wasn't really a villain.. he was so minor he didn't count. Delete that entire air traffic control thing

Overall:
I liked it. I'm a fan of Webb's overall style and vision for Spider-Man and the franchise. He has a real knack for the romance angle so I'm sure adding in Mary Jane will be one of the best parts of the next movie. The visuals are top-notch. The screenplay, structure, and editing, needed another pass or two. Too much going on when you could have condensed, edited, tightened, and made the more important stories more interesting. It felt like there were too many cooks in the kitchen and the screenplay was jumbled.

When I saw the first one, I immediately thought "Ok, they got the origin out of the way, now they can move on and do their Spider-Man". And I think they did that, but it should have been better. They still have all the elements.. a strong Peter/Spiderman, beautiful visuals, tons of compelling story to potentially tell, but I just felt like it should have been GREAT.. when it was merely good. I really liked it.. and I sound like I disliked it more than I probably did. I feel like if we could combine elements of Raimi's Spiderman 2 and this, we'd have the perfect Spider-Man movie.

 

[everysingletime]

Finally saw it..

The Good:
- Visually the movie is probably the best Spider-Man has looked on screen. I loved the way they handled all of the effects, fights, swinging, etc. It just looked incredible.
- Gwen and Peter were awesome whenever they were on screen. It goes without saying, but Garfield and Stone's chemistry allowed for a really memorable romantic pairing for a superhero movie.
- Overall the acting was a strong point, and despite a few cheesy lines here and there, the dialogue was solid.
- I loved Spider-man's sense of humor in the movie. Maybe a couple less quips here and there, but it brought a fun element to the action.
- Jamie Foxx was solid.. very strong as Max.. less and less interesting as Electro. I see what they tried to do, no one noticed him, Spider-Man "betrays him", he wants revenge, but it just didn't mean much.
- Dane Dehaan was good as well.
- Felicity Jones is beautiful

The "Bad":
- It dragged. I appreciate everything they tried to do, but when you're trying to keep the audience interested in all these separate stories, you're going to have some of them fall flat. Peter's parents, Peter and Gwen, Electro/Max, Harry returning and dying, Electro and Harry teaming up, and so on. Again, I get why they wanted to focus on everything.. Peter's parents abandoned him, so he's afraid of losing Gwen, which means they can't be together.. and he promised her father and back and forth and on and on.. but still

- I didn't care about Electro once he became Electro. Foxx was fine.. but between the editing and pacing or due to the focus on the parents of Peter/Gwen or all the other stories.. I didn't care. It seemed like they wanted to be able to transition from one story to another and have the audience maintain interest, but they didn't keep the momentum building. It would have been really hard to pull off when you're switching focus as often.

- Not enough Goblin.. which is likely because of time.. you can't include an epic battle with Goblin right after Electro's final fight AND have Gwen's death without the movie going on even longer.. which means we needed to edit some of that other stuff down.

- I appreciated a couple nods to the future films, but I'd rather they focus on THIS story rather than set up the Sinister Six and new Spider-Man sequels. And that goes back to the overall editing and structure issue. Spend more time with Electro, tighten up and maybe condense one or two Peter/Gwen scenes, cut some of the parents, give us a little more Goblin, etc. And I never cared too much about "too many villains" because Rhino wasn't really a villain.. he was so minor he didn't count. Delete that entire air traffic control thing

Overall:
I liked it. I'm a fan of Webb's overall style and vision for Spider-Man and the franchise. He has a real knack for the romance angle so I'm sure adding in Mary Jane will be one of the best parts of the next movie. The visuals are top-notch. The screenplay, structure, and editing, needed another pass or two. Too much going on when you could have condensed, edited, tightened, and made the more important stories more interesting. It felt like there were too many cooks in the kitchen and the screenplay was jumbled.

When I saw the first one, I immediately thought "Ok, they got the origin out of the way, now they can move on and do their Spider-Man". And I think they did that, but it should have been better. They still have all the elements.. a strong Peter/Spiderman, beautiful visuals, tons of compelling story to potentially tell, but I just felt like it should have been GREAT.. when it was merely good. I really liked it.. and I sound like I disliked it more than I probably did. I feel like if we could combine elements of Raimi's Spiderman 2 and this, we'd have the perfect Spider-Man movie.

Probably one of the best reviews I've seen on NT in a while. Giving nods to both good and bad without any hint of bias or agenda. Nothing was skewed. Balanced review.