Breaking Bad Thread - "El Camino" - A Breaking Bad Movie on Netflix 10/11

dankenstien88 said:

The show is about change... the good guys become the bad guys and and bad guys become the good guys... nothing stays the same.


If people cant see this they're either dumb or not paying any attention.

Look at Skyler... In the beginning she wanted to get away from Walt at all costs.... but now shes sticking it out with him through the end.

There is no definitive hero in this show... not Walt the kingpin... not Jesse the dealer....not Hank the Cop.... everyone has negative and positive quality's, just like real life. Jesse stands out though because while everyone else is fine with compromising their morals and "breaking bad" Jesse is now "breaking good".

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i think youre drinking the jesse kool aid if u think this whole "no hurting kids" is not about that little boy that he left behind at the tweekers house and his guilt over that and later events.  jesse is just suffering from cognitive dissonance and feels he is rectifying his mistakes.  make no mistake, this is not altruism its self-escapism.

I understand the show has kinda moved past it, but I just want to see Walt pull out some more of his scientific knowledge for something.

Last episode had me reeling the whole time.

I can't sit here and spoil my enjoyment of this show by trying to be smart and constantly try to guess the end.

Im only coming into this thread to look at the hilarious meme comics.

Turning a blind eye to everything else.

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Hand2HandKing said:

i think youre drinking the jesse kool aid if u think this whole "no hurting kids" is not about that little boy that he left behind at the tweekers house and his guilt over that and later events.  jesse is just suffering from cognitive dissonance and feels he is rectifying his mistakes.  make no mistake, this is not altruism its self-escapism.

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This.

And for y'all don't understand.

Jesse is one of these garden tools that busted it open their whole life's and woke up one morning and found god.

Now she's trying to be a good church girl.

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You are both failing to comprehend the whole theme of the show.... Change.


"Chemistry: it is the study of change. Well that’s… that’s all of life… right? I mean, it’s just the constant, it’s the cycle. It is growth, then decay, then transformation."

— Walter White (First episode)




Jesse is not the same person he was when he was selling/cooking drugs.... just like Walt is not the same family man he was in the beginning of the series.

88th said:

Last episode had me reeling the whole time.

I can't sit here and spoil my enjoyment of this show by trying to be smart and constantly try to guess the end.

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This...a million times this.

dankenstien88 said:

You are both failing to comprehend the whole theme of the show.... Change.


"Chemistry: it is the study of change. Well that’s… that’s all of life… right? I mean, it’s just the constant, it’s the cycle. It is growth, then decay, then transformation."

— Walter White (First episode)




Jesse is not the same person he was when he was selling/cooking drugs.... just like Walt is not the same family man he was in the beginning of the series.

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you believe what you want, you said it yourself its change, we just interpret that change differently.

walt said it too, growth, decay, transformation.  we say jesse grow when he and walt first started cooking and getting money.  decay came with the kids (ginger kid, tomas, brock).  transformation is finding everything out.

same for walt.  growth was getting into the biz, getting money.  decay was once he won, retiring from the game.  transformation will be the flash foward.

since you know the show better than all of us, i was just offering my interpretation of jesse.

That kid will have a better life. Foster care >>> living with two meth heads.

Also, the entire thematic premise of the show is outlined in Walt's lecture about chirality



I never saw Jesse as some angel who got swept up into Walt's quest for power... but just the brilliant part of the show. The small-time, loser, junkie/drug dealer wants to escape the life and has more of a conscience than the family man, genius and "harmless" chemistry teacher.

Hand2HandKing said:

dankenstien88 said:

You are both failing to comprehend the whole theme of the show.... Change.



"Chemistry: it is the study of change. Well that’s… that’s all of life… right? I mean, it’s just the constant, it’s the cycle. It is growth, then decay, then transformation."


— Walter White (First episode)





Jesse is not the same person he was when he was selling/cooking drugs.... just like Walt is not the same family man he was in the beginning of the series.

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you believe what you want, you said it yourself its change, we just interpret that change differently.

walt said it too, growth, decay, transformation.  we say jesse grow when he and walt first started cooking and getting money.  decay came with the kids (ginger kid, tomas, brock).  transformation is finding everything out.

same for walt.  growth was getting into the biz, getting money.  decay was once he won, retiring from the game.  transformation will be the flash foward.

since you know the show better than all of us, i was just offering my interpretation of jesse.

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Like I said... the way this show is written, there are no definitive good guys or bad guys... there is no moral compass..... peoples actions are completely up the the spectators interpretation... Just like real life.

But telling me Im drinking "Jesse Kool-Aid" when you obviously have the "Walt-Aid" flowing fresh on tap is just laughable.

Don't think jessie dies... yet.

I think that Todd messes up so the nazi dudes kidnap Jessie to cook.
Meanwhile Walt fakes his death but decides to come back when he finds out about Jessie.

So many theories. This isn't as easy to figure out as the Dexter finale.

I don't really see how Jessie is "breaking good", .

This dude is smacking up lawyers, waving pistols and pouring gasoline in houses.

Big J 33 said:

That kid will have a better life. Foster care >>> living with two meth heads.

Also, the entire thematic premise of the show is outlined in Walt's lecture about chirality

I never saw Jesse as some angel who got swept up into Walt's quest for power... but just the brilliant part of the show. The small-time, loser, junkie/drug dealer wants to escape the life and has more of a conscience than the family man, genius and "harmless" chemistry teacher.

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i never said anything about the kids life after, just that jesse felt guilty leaving him without ever truly knowing what happened to him.  i think the brilliance is in showing how conscience "conscience" is subjective and not objective. 

dankenstien88 said:

Like I said... the way this show is written, there are no definitive good guys or bad guys... there is no moral compass..... peoples actions are completely up the the spectators interpretation... Just like real life.

But telling me Im drinking "Jesse Kool-Aid" when you obviously have the "Walt-Aid" flowing fresh on tap is just laughable.

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i agree my whole point was jesse is not the moral compass like ppl were saying

i said you were drinkin jesse kool aid in feeling sympathy for him.  im rooting for walt sure, but i agree with everyone else that he doesnt deserve sympathy, and thats the difference.  you can identify with what jesse is going thru, cool, but just dont victimize or martyr or paint him as if he is a moral person.

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I don't really see how Jessie is "breaking good", .

This dude is smacking up lawyers, waving pistols and pouring gasoline in houses.

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granted...

Hes still the only person in the series with any remorse that isn't fear based.... he actually feels bad for what he did because of the way his actions effected other people, not because of the legal or mortal repercussions.

if thats true, wheres his remorse for gale, the guy he actually murdered?  him playing a videogame and trying to get the image out of his head isnt remorse i dont think, its guilt.  jesse feels bad about things that happen, but its because he is ultimately selfish and narcissistic that he is only focused on his own feelings.  like he doesnt feel as bad about brock being poisoned as he does that walt lied to him.  he doesnt really care that mike is dead, its that walt won't even tell him the truth.

in the end, jesse is all about jesse and making jesse feel good thru drugs, parties, women whatever.

Jessie has had the opportunity to leave since Krazy 8, but he didn't. He kept coming back. I can't really defend dude that much.

You're exaggerating to make Jesse seem worse than he really is.

Mike was a mentor to him and didn't manipulate him all the time like Walt. He obviously misses the guy.

He was distraught when Brock was poisoned. He's angry now that his partner had manipulated and lied to him AND put a kid in danger.

If that's how you feel about Jesse then I wonder your opinions on Walt

rrickrude said:

Don't think jessie dies... yet.

I think that Todd messes up so the nazi dudes kidnap Jessie to cook.
Meanwhile Walt fakes his death but decides to come back when he finds out about Jessie.

So many theories. This isn't as easy to figure out as the Dexter finale.

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I kinda like this. It would suck if it did happen though lol. Cause I want to be surprised.

Big J 33 said:

You're exaggerating to make Jesse seem worse than he really is.

Mike was a mentor to him and didn't manipulate him all the time like Walt. He obviously misses the guy.

He was distraught when Brock was poisoned. He's angry now that his partner had manipulated and lied to him AND put a kid in danger.

If that's how you feel about Jesse then I wonder your opinions on Walt

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So cold blooded killers are mentors now? Mike didnt manipulate him? Mike's whole relationship w jesse was based on gus using mike to use jesse. When gus had the meet w the cartel goon, mike gives jesse a gun. But jesse wasnt being manipulated? Gus only saw something in jesse after mexico.

Everyone was manipulating jesse, only walt ever had his best interest at heart

Hand2HandKing said:

if thats true, wheres his remorse for gale, the guy he actually murdered?  him playing a videogame and trying to get the image out of his head isnt remorse i dont think, its guilt.  jesse feels bad about things that happen, but its because he is ultimately selfish and narcissistic that he is only focused on his own feelings.  like he doesnt feel as bad about brock being poisoned as he does that walt lied to him.  he doesnt really care that mike is dead, its that walt won't even tell him the truth.

in the end, jesse is all about jesse and making jesse feel good thru drugs, parties, women whatever.

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-Jesse did what he had to do in order to survive when it comes to Gale, plus he owed Walt one for straight up having his back at the end of "half measures" Gale HAD to go otherwise both main characters would have been dead. what would you have done???
We all know he didn't want to do it as you can tell by him crying while listening to Gale plead for his life. Gale tries everything, even throwing money at him(which jesse knows he's got)but money can't buy you everything, especially when you just need to survive. Him playing video games, I felt wasn't about guit or remorse, or even erasing the memory out of his head. It was about him accepting that he's in this until he dies.....no matter what, like he's just trying to go through a normal routine he's done the same when crazy stuff has happened to him, he's done it with jane...brock's mom....his folks even his friends, and that's all jesse's been trying to do while cooking with Walt....have some normalcy in his chaotic life

-He also wouldn't have sat in the hospital and defied Gus if he didn't care about brock, he confronted Walt about it ONLY when he heard the words poison come out, but it's not like as soon as brock went down Jesse was in Walt's face.
-he also wouldn't have volunteered to pickup mike's bag(which walt decided to do) if he cared about himself that much
- Or made a big deal when the kid that killed combo(who was his boy too) also ended up dead...again defying gustavo fring
-the whole todd situation???

what did Jesse have to gain for himself in any of those situations besides getting killed/caught

Do you just not like the guy?? because by your logic then Hank is in the same boat as Jesse and only cared that Walt didn't tell him the truth about all the stuff he did to him. I mean i'm not trying make Jesse or anyone else on the show seem like a saint since they are in the drug game to begin with...but i feel like he is making somewhat of an effort

Everyone trying to breakdown the characters between bad/good THEY ARE ALL BAD, but on both sides of the law that's what makes the show Amazing
-flynn trying to buy alcohol to do some underage drinking
-marie stealing...using hank as a scapegoat
-Hank starting that bar fight/ putting that tracker on Gus' car
-Skylar cheating, smoking while pregnant, ending up supporting walt

the only one with no dirt and shouldn't die is the baby, next would be flynn, after that it's a toss up
ALL characters have done unforgivable things but i think Jesse is trying to get back up... walt just screws it up for him and thus begins a new cycle...if only he had just gotten in the van

my question:
Why didn't Hank tell jesse he beat him down because of the call he got about marie, play that card and see where that takes him

the 20 second preview of next weeks eps

walt: "do not float that idea again"

marie" "theres nothing to be done ok, he won"

this show is from another planet

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Big J 33 said:

You're exaggerating to make Jesse seem worse than he really is.

Mike was a mentor to him and didn't manipulate him all the time like Walt. He obviously misses the guy.

He was distraught when Brock was poisoned. He's angry now that his partner had manipulated and lied to him AND put a kid in danger.

If that's how you feel about Jesse then I wonder your opinions on Walt

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So cold blooded killers are mentors now? Mike didnt manipulate him? Mike's whole relationship w jesse was based on gus using mike to use jesse. When gus had the meet w the cartel goon, mike gives jesse a gun. But jesse wasnt being manipulated? Gus only saw something in jesse after mexico.

Everyone was manipulating jesse, only walt ever had his best interest at heart

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I did a thought experiment with my friends a few days ago. We love BB and It's Always Sunny and Wilfred and The League.

We had our ideal FX meets BB recasting:

Walter White: Ryan Newman
Skylar White: Deandra Reynolds
Walter Junior: Charlie Kelly
Hank Schrader: Drew Mueller
Marie Schrader: Christie Newman
Jesse Pinkman: Dennis Reynolds
Saul Goodman: Frank Reynolds (both of them always "know a guy" for any situation)
Badger: Raffi aka el Cunado
Ted Beneke: Andre from the League
Gus: Rodney Ruxin
Mike: Wilfred (always with the dog costume on of course)
Lydia: Jennifer Mueller
Todd: Mac from It's Always Sunny
Todd's Uncles from Prison: Mac's dad
Tuco: Any McPoyle
Twins: More McPoyles
Tio: The oldest McPolye


Any FX and BB fans feel free to offer any suggestions to this bizarre fantasy casting.

Hand2HandKing said:

So cold blooded killers are mentors now? Mike didnt manipulate him? Mike's whole relationship w jesse was based on gus using mike to use jesse. When gus had the meet w the cartel goon, mike gives jesse a gun. But jesse wasnt being manipulated? Gus only saw something in jesse after mexico.

Everyone was manipulating jesse, only walt ever had his best interest at heart

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you have to be trolling

You do realize mike had no idea what gus' plan was and even admits that in the episode where they are picking up the drops right???...he even tells Jesse to just shut the hell up because he has no idea why he is still alive....Mike wasn't even feelin gus' plan to begin with since he was a junkie, he even told gus that...tried to lightweight throw his opinion in. If anyone was being manipulated it was Mike...being told by your boss who is considered the best in the game to drive around a junkie who is just straight causing problems for you(mike does the cleanups remember???) and the business. If anyone was straight with Jesse it's always been mike, i even bet had Gus told Mike what he had planned mike woulda been like
"look kid, i don't have time to waste my day pretending to have my car stolen, here's what's gonna happen...."

i'm not even addressing the whole "walt had his best interest at heart." line

Rexanglorum said:

I did a thought experiment with my friends a few days ago. We love BB and It's Always Sunny and Wilfred and The League.

We had our ideal FX meets BB recasting:

Walter White: Ryan Newman
Skylar White: Deandra Reynolds
Walter Junior: Charlie Kelly
Hank Schrader: Drew Mueller
Marie Schrader: Christie Newman
Jesse Pinkman: Dennis Reynolds
Saul Goodman: Frank Reynolds (both of them always "know a guy" for any situation)
Badger: Raffi aka el Cunado
Ted Beneke: Andre from the League
Gus: Rodney Ruxin
Mike: Wilfred (always with the dog costume on of course)
Lydia: Jennifer Mueller
Todd: Mac from It's Always Sunny
Todd's Uncles from Prison: Mac's dad
Tuco: Any McPoyle
Twins: More McPoyles
Tio: The oldest McPolye


Any FX and BB fans feel free to offer any suggestions to this bizarre fantasy casting.

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thats great

My only revision to your list would be Artemis as Lydia... they're polar opposites and I think it would be absolutely hilarious to see that play out


and dont forget Cricket as Walt JR

Why r yall disagreeing when i talk about jesse n then turn around and say "everyone is bad !"? Yall r jus agreeing w me and uoeno

As far as jesse/gale, i wasnt sayin that he shouldnt have killed him

Jesse being remorseful and making an effort mean absolutely nada

Of course we have a difference of opinion so im trolling

Gus is mike boss, u dont think mike knew? That he would have put himself in an unknown situation as meticulous as mike is? It was all a set up to give jesse confidence dude. Manipulation.

How u sound sayin mike shoulda gone against gus plan?