Vince Carter in the hall of fame???

No. He was a great dunker and had a few very good seasons with the Raptors and Nets..after that he became irrelevant quick. Never did become the great player I thought he would be for some reason.
 
Originally Posted by CashBanks

I don't see why not he's on the same level as a Reggie or Dominique in my eyes really good player who had great moments but just never got it done dudes in here trippin IMO

you should feel ashamed for even mentioning his name as on the same level as those two 
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Dominique Wilkins is a great. It is a travesty that he wasn't named in the top 50 players in NBA history.
 
No way. Only reason..ONLY reason there is any gray area is because it's the stupid basketball hall of fame and not the NBA Hall of Fame. Contributions to the game, blah blah blah. He is not the elite of elite and that's pretty much final.
 
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Originally Posted by quik1987

Why not, Dominique made it

Dominique averaged 25+ points per game for 10 consecutive seasons, including a 30.7 ppg season.  Dominique was a lock based on this alone.  I guess Vince has olympic gold, and rookie of the year under his belt, but I think he has no shot in hell unless he gets into broadcasting or something like that
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If only slam magazine had influence on who made it into the hall, Iverson, Tmac, and Vince would be first ballot
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Dog, Iverson IS a first ballot HOFer though.
 
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Can't we just make like a ______ will be in the hall of fame thread and every few pages somebody dumb suggests a player that has no shot or stupidly brings up a player that hasn't been in the league nearly long enough and is just a prisoner of the moment?

Best thing said in this thread.
 
I used to love this dude
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Still have his Raptors jersey.

His dunks were
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second to none... but on the topic of a HOF'er... I don't know... I would say nah, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does make it.
 
No, he's not making the HOF. He's the one of the best dunkers we've seen to ever play the game. During his prime years, he could score with the best of them. Not to mention his clutchness is unmatched. But his career accoclades don't match up with a HOF career.
 
While I'm glad he put Toronto on the basketball map, I'd say no. And this is coming from someone who pretty much had a man-crush on him during Vinsanity: jerseys, posters, shoes, trading cards, magazines...my friends were worried.

Yeah he was a flashy dunker, to this day still the greatest. But he didn't do enough in his overall career to warrent HOF status.

Originally Posted by 5am6oody72

More like the Hall of Lame.
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Originally Posted by maddog345

No, he's not making the HOF. He's the one of the best dunkers we've seen to ever play the game. During his prime years, he could score with the best of them. Not to mention his clutchness is unmatched. But his career accoclades don't match up with a HOF career.
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NBA & ABA Active Leaders and Records for Hall of Fame Probability

Leaders and Records: Career [emoji]9642[/emoji] Active

Click on the Player for career statistics and accomplishments.
Active players are listed in bold.
Members of the Hall of Fame are marked with an asterisk (*).

Minimum 400 NBA games played [emoji]9642[/emoji] Explanation of Hall of Fame probability

[table][tr][th=""]Rank[/th][th=""]Player[/th][th=""]HoF Prob[/th][/tr][tr][td]1.[/td][td]Kobe Bryant[/td][td]1.0000[/td][/tr][tr][td]2.[/td][td]Tim Duncan[/td][td]0.9999[/td][/tr][tr][td]3.[/td][td]Kevin Garnett[/td][td]0.9985[/td][/tr][tr][td]4.[/td][td]LeBron James[/td][td]0.9941[/td][/tr][tr][td]5.[/td][td]Dwyane Wade[/td][td]0.9917[/td][/tr][tr][td]6.[/td][td]Dirk Nowitzki[/td][td]0.9882[/td][/tr][tr][td]7.[/td][td]Paul Pierce[/td][td]0.9836[/td][/tr][tr][td]8.[/td][td]Jason Kidd[/td][td]0.9613[/td][/tr][tr][td]9.[/td][td]Ray Allen[/td][td]0.9382[/td][/tr][tr][td]10.[/td][td]Chris Paul[/td][td]0.8408[/td][/tr][tr][td]11.[/td][td]Vince Carter[/td][td]0.8135[/td][/tr][tr][td]12.[/td][td]Dwight Howard[/td][td]0.7209[/td][/tr][tr][td]13.[/td][td]Tony Parker[/td][td]0.7121[/td][/tr][tr][td]14.[/td][td]Carmelo Anthony[/td][td]0.6898[/td][/tr][tr][td]15.[/td][td]Chris Bosh[/td][td]0.6789[/td][/tr][tr][td]16.[/td][td]Pau Gasol[/td][td]0.6356[/td][/tr][tr][td]17.[/td][td]Amare Stoudemire[/td][td]0.6027[/td][/tr][tr][td]18.[/td][td]Tracy McGrady[/td][td]0.5822[/td][/tr][tr][td]19.[/td][td]Steve Nash[/td][td]0.5761[/td][/tr][tr][td]20.[/td][td]Grant Hill[/td][td]0.4069[/td][/tr][tr][td]21.[/td][td]Shawn Marion[/td][td]0.3368[/td][/tr][tr][td]22.[/td][td]Gilbert Arenas[/td][td]0.2491[/td][/tr][tr][td]23.[/td][td]Deron Williams[/td][td]0.2428[/td][/tr][tr][td]24.[/td][td]Chauncey Billups[/td][td]0.2387[/td][/tr][tr][td]25.[/td][td]Joe Johnson[/td][td]0.1883[/td][/tr][/table]

81 Percent chance is not as bad as you guys in here are saying. Then again the sports knowledge in the S&T forum as a whole is pretty suspect. This forum is built on homerism and hate...you can rarely find an nice objective based discussion in here.
 
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[h1]Hall of Fame Probability[/h1]
Explanation [emoji]9642[/emoji] CareerLeaders [emoji]9642[/emoji] Active Leaders
[h2]Introduction[/h2]
What statistics or accomplishments have the Hallof Fame voters deemed to be most important? This question can beanswered using a technique called logistic regression. The logisticregression model is a binary response model where the response isclassified as either a "success" (in this case, being elected to the Hallof Fame) or a "failure" (not being elected to the Hall of Fame). One ormore predictor variables are selected and the resulting model can be usedto predict the probability of a success given certain values of thepredictor(s).
[h2]Building the Model[/h2]
For the Hall of Fame problem, I tried to use as many predictor variables asI could think of, but I did not use statistics that have not been kept formost of the NBA's history (e.g., steals). My player pool consisted ofplayers who had played a minimum of 400 NBA games and had been eligiblefor at least one Hall of Fame election. After trying numerous models, myfinal model had seven predictor variables:
  1. height (in inches)
  2. last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
  3. NBA points per game
  4. NBA rebounds per game
  5. NBA assists per game
  6. NBA All-Star game selections
  7. NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level.Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients. ABAstatistics, honors, and championships were not important predictors ofHall of Fame status, which is why I only used NBA statistics in my finalmodel. I don't like ignoring the ABA statistics, but that's what thevoters have apparently done. Keep in mind that my goal was not todetermine who <="" span=""> in the Hall ofFame, but rather who is likely to be inthe Hall of Fame.

The table below gives the parameter estimates of the coefficients for eachof the seven predictors:
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height                          -0.1771last season indicator            3.1498NBA points per game              0.3433NBA rebounds per game            0.4193NBA assists per game             0.3327NBA All-Star game selections     0.5626NBA championships won            0.9151
[h2]Example[/h2]
The parameter estimates given in the previous section can be used to obtainthe predicted probability of Hall of Fame election for a particularplayer. I will go through an example using Jo Jo White. Find the values of theseven predictor variables for White, multiply them by the coefficientsgiven in the table above, and find the sum of the products:
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height                        -0.1771 * 75      = -13.2825last season indicator          3.1498 *  0      =   0NBA points per game            0.3433 * 17.2031 =   5.9058NBA rebounds per game          0.4193 *  3.9964 =   1.6757NBA assists per game           0.3327 *  4.8925 =   1.6277NBA All-Star game selections   0.5626 *  7      =   3.9382NBA championships won          0.9151 *  2      =   1.8302----------------------------------------------------------                                                    1.6951
To find the predicted probability of Hall of Fame election, do thefollowing:
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P(HoF election) = 1 / (1 + e**(-(1.6951)))                = 0.845
Based on Jo Jo White's statistics and accomplishments, the probability thathe has been elected to the Hall of Fame is 0.845.
[h2]Summary[/h2]
Hall of Fame probabilities are presented for all players with a minimum of400 NBA games played. Although it can be risky to make predictions foractive players, you can think of these probabilities as answering thequestion "If this player retired today, what is the probability he wouldbe elected to the Hall of Fame?". The model was built using a pool of 750players. One method to assess classification accuracy is to compare theestimated Hall of Fame probability for the case to the actual result. Ofthe 750 players, 89 had been elected to the Hall of Fame and 661 had not.If the player's predicted probability of election was greater than orequal to 0.5, I predicted that he was in the Hall of Fame. Of the 89players in the Hall of Fame, 74 were correctly classified (83.1%) and 15were not (16.9%). Of the 661 players not in the Hall of Fame, 651 werecorrectly classified (98.5%) and 10 were not (1.5%). Overall, 725 of the750 players (96.7%) were correctly classified by the model.
 
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

81 Percent chance is not as bad as you guys in here are saying. Then again the sports knowledge in the S&T forum as a whole is pretty suspect. This forum is built on homerism and hate...you can rarely find an nice objective based discussion in here.

Basketball reference should be used for stats only.

So you mean to tell me VC has a 10% better chance than TP and 23% better chance than Nash of getting in the HOF?  That formula makes rebounds and assists equal for all players regardless of position, that shouldn't be.  Plus, All-Star games?  All-Star game selections, the biggest popularity contest in the world?  Individual statistics thrown out the window completely, just a team statistic like championships calculated?  No college mention at all (it's the basketball HOF not NBA HOF).  I know you always like to dump on S&T's knowledge but that is a flawed percentage to use as the base of your argument.
  
 
I think he will make the hall of fame. In his prime he was one of the best players at his position for several years, gold medalist, greatest dunker in NBA history, put a horrible franchise on the basketball map, etc. You dont NEED a championship or mvp to make the hall of fame.
 
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Originally Posted by calibeebee

Originally Posted by quik1987

Why not, Dominique made it

Dominique averaged 25+ points per game for 10 consecutive seasons, including a 30.7 ppg season.  Dominique was a lock based on this alone.  I guess Vince has olympic gold, and rookie of the year under his belt, but I think he has no shot in hell unless he gets into broadcasting or something like that
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If only slam magazine had influence on who made it into the hall, Iverson, Tmac, and Vince would be first ballot
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Dog, Iverson IS a first ballot HOFer though.
I sure hope so, I really do.  I just know that stern hates his guts so maybe he could prevent him from getting there so easy.  But yeah I can't see a former MVP not gettting in
 
That formula is a bit flawed, dontcha think? No player on that list is more glaring than Steve Nash: only a 58% chance for a two-time MVP, and below guys like CP and T-Mac? Ask 100 people if Nash gets in the Hall and we're gonna get a lot more than 59 votes (I realized that's not how the % works, but you get the idea).

I think we're done here.
 
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