IS BROOKLYN DYING?

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I thought long and hard about making this thread and finally decided to do so. I dont post much so bare with my grammitcal errors and so forth. I have lived in Brooklyn all 26 years of my life, bushwick specifically. I went to school and worked all of my job within the area. In recent years the over all climate of the neighborhood has changed. Gentrification has def been in full swing for quite sometime however in my younger years probably wasnt fully grasped. Not for nothing growing up there were always white folk living in my area. Not to come across the wrong way but the type of white folk you would see would generally be those of urban original " white trash" so to speak that wouldnt stick out as much different as the rest of the people living within Bushwick,predominantly hispanics. A quick google search would provide a more indept history of bushwick but in short within the years i have lived, Bushwick has always been a low class,crime ridden neighborhood with generations of families having been living here. In the last few years though all of that has stopped. As i got older and started to be more receptive i realised that more and more hipsters started to move in. factories that sat abandoned for years were now becomming lofts at triple digit prices. Bohemian people filled with tatoos and dressed in torn clothing walking the streets became the norm. Hell even the corner Bodegas now stock moe than just coronas ,but other beers like pabst thats years before they would have never stocked along wit tofu. Personally the issue at hand didnt really hit the fan for me till i started apartment searching and see that ever apartment taken in my area were being rented by hipsters for through the roof prices. Suddenly Bushwick is the new "in" place to be. I cant speak on williamburg because thats long been gentrified before my time, thats a whole other story. I can somwwhat speak in terms of bushwick because i remember how terrible things were in the late ninties when i was a kid. In my opinion the influx of all these out of towners make it hard for my age group to prosper because it raises the value of this once forgotten area to prices one cannot afford. I see this not only going on in Bushwick but alot of other areas of brooklyn such as brownsville, canarsie, east new york etc... What are your thoughts? How do you Feel?
 
I think I read an article that called bushwick/williamsburg the new Soho. Just like harlem, specific parts of Brooklyn are being gentrified. It hurts the poorer residents, but government wise it's better to have richer areas for the city so people in charge have no problem having everyone move to the bronx that can't afford it.
 
So the cime rate has dropped, diversity of the neighborhood has increased, and the value of your home property has gone up

I'm not sure why you are complaining?
 
its happening all over ny bro Manhattan is only but so big they are gonna spread out and turn project buildings into high rise condos and what not. Buy some property and sit on it watch what happens to the price the housing market still hasn't recovered so all the people with money are buying up everything for dirt cheap and upgrading.
 
Originally Posted by finessesupreme86

I thought long and hard about making this thread and finally decided to do so. I dont post much so bare with my grammitcal errors and so forth. I have lived in Brooklyn all 26 years of my life, bushwick specifically. I went to school and worked all of my job within the area. In recent years the over all climate of the neighborhood has changed. Gentrification has def been in full swing for quite sometime however in my younger years probably wasnt fully grasped. Not for nothing growing up there were always white folk living in my area. Not to come across the wrong way but the type of white folk you would see would generally be those of urban original " white trash" so to speak that wouldnt stick out as much different as the rest of the people living within Bushwick,predominantly hispanics. A quick google search would provide a more indept history of bushwick but in short within the years i have lived, Bushwick has always been a low class,crime ridden neighborhood with generations of families having been living here. In the last few years though all of that has stopped. As i got older and started to be more receptive i realised that more and more hipsters started to move in. factories that sat abandoned for years were now becomming lofts at triple digit prices. Bohemian people filled with tatoos and dressed in torn clothing walking the streets became the norm. Hell even the corner Bodegas now stock moe than just coronas ,but other beers like pabst thats years before they would have never stocked along wit tofu. Personally the issue at hand didnt really hit the fan for me till i started apartment searching and see that ever apartment taken in my area were being rented by hipsters for through the roof prices. Suddenly Bushwick is the new "in" place to be. I cant speak on williamburg because thats long been gentrified before my time, thats a whole other story. I can somwwhat speak in terms of bushwick because i remember how terrible things were in the late ninties when i was a kid. In my opinion the influx of all these out of towners make it hard for my age group to prosper because it raises the value of this once forgotten area to prices one cannot afford. I see this not only going on in Bushwick but alot of other areas of brooklyn such as brownsville, canarsie, east new york etc... What are your thoughts? How do you Feel?
Maybe Brooklyn would do better without you.
 
Originally Posted by finessesupreme86

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

People moving in and parts of the borough being revitalized = dying???

OK.


at the cost of sky rocketing rental prices.
If you own property in the areas being revitalized, you're not complaining.  Equity is going to go through the roof. 

If you got rent control, like Ninjahood...you don't care either.  See what you can do about buying in the near future.  Might help your perspective.  Times are changing.  Gentrification is nothing new. 
 
Originally Posted by bkzkurse

So the cime rate has dropped, diversity of the neighborhood has increased, and the value of your home property has gone up

I'm not sure why you are complaining?


The owners of a 6 family apartment building next door to me, with families who lived there for 30 plus years forced them all to move. The apartments were rennovated with a higher rental price point and marketed all these "artist's" ( in reality a majority of them are trust fund babies comming from midwest and abroad)coming to NY to "make it" IS THAT FAIR?
 
I visited Brooklyn when I was in NYC last year. Doesn't seem like it's dying at all, pretty cool place.

I feel for you though when it comes to cost of living rising when you were already there. That's gotta suck.
 
Happened to DC. Chocolate city ain't chocolate no more. Bout time New York felt it.
 
gentrification is a touchy subject. In the short term it hurts the residents that have been there for decades and generations as their priced out, but in the long term, it's usually an economic invigorator.

i moved to DC in 2006 for school and lived in columbia heights/mount pleasant. some days if i didn't leave my neighborhood and/or go near the metro i could count the number of whites i saw on one hand. and you damn sure didn't see them running around at night. Now, it's the norm to see white women out running at midnight on the weekends.

If anything, it seems like we're taking an almost European approach, where cities are for those with money/young singles and the outskirts of the city is where the poorer people live.
 
Yeah only boroughs this happened to... yet... is the Bronx, Queens, and Staten.

Eventually it will happen to the Bronx because of the easy train commute.

Queens was always the most diversified borough of them all though, but now I read somewhere that Queens is mostly made up of about 70% Hispanic and Asian.

I don't know anything about Staten though.

I still can't believe how Williamsburgh is now though... and even more that they will be able to do the same to Bushwick.

Bushwick was crime ridden so badly before and that place is a dump... I don't know about nowadays, but back when I remember it I think that whole part of BK was straight section 8 and EBT cards.
 
Originally Posted by finessesupreme86

Originally Posted by bkzkurse

So the cime rate has dropped, diversity of the neighborhood has increased, and the value of your home property has gone up

I'm not sure why you are complaining?


The owners of a 6 family apartment building next door to me, with families who lived there for 30 plus years forced them all to move. The apartments were rennovated with a higher rental price point and marketed all these "artist's" ( in reality a majority of them are trust fund babies comming from midwest and abroad)coming to NY to "make it" IS THAT FAIR?
it seems like it's on the owners that decided to renovate and raise the rent.
Also, who the @!%@ rents for 30 years? That's just hustlin backwards....
 
Originally Posted by Gex The Damaja

I think I read an article that called bushwick/williamsburg the new Soho. Just like harlem, specific parts of Brooklyn are being gentrified. It hurts the poorer residents, but government wise it's better to have richer areas for the city so people in charge have no problem having everyone move to the bronx that can't afford it.

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 times have changed...

but when East NY becomes like that, that will be the day 
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dying? nah

but i did see a dude in red toms walking his yorkie down my block while i was sweeping my yard but atleast i'll be able to place a order and have it delivered in my neighborhood now
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Originally Posted by cap1229

Happened to DC. Chocolate city ain't chocolate no more. Bout time New York felt it.

So many job opportunities up there! Can't wait to move to NOVA, if things don't go as planned here in Bama then that's going to be my move
 
Originally Posted by finessesupreme86

Originally Posted by bkzkurse

So the cime rate has dropped, diversity of the neighborhood has increased, and the value of your home property has gone up

I'm not sure why you are complaining?


The owners of a 6 family apartment building next door to me, with families who lived there for 30 plus years forced them all to move. The apartments were rennovated with a higher rental price point and marketed all these "artist's" ( in reality a majority of them are trust fund babies comming from midwest and abroad)coming to NY to "make it" IS THAT FAIR?
Were those families compensated somewayin any way when asked to move??

Also, who the @!%@ rents for 30 years? That's just hustlin backwards....


Exactly, I keep telling people it's always better to own than to rent, generally speaking.




  
 
Brooklyn has changed, but it's becoming more safer than before. yea there is still some crime around the way but it isn't bad. it's becoming more like the Village with all these yuppies around here
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Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by finessesupreme86

Originally Posted by bkzkurse

So the cime rate has dropped, diversity of the neighborhood has increased, and the value of your home property has gone up

I'm not sure why you are complaining?


The owners of a 6 family apartment building next door to me, with families who lived there for 30 plus years forced them all to move. The apartments were rennovated with a higher rental price point and marketed all these "artist's" ( in reality a majority of them are trust fund babies comming from midwest and abroad)coming to NY to "make it" IS THAT FAIR?
Were those families compensated somewayin any way when asked to move??

Also, who the @!%@ rents for 30 years? That's just hustlin backwards....

Exactly, I keep telling people it's always better to own than to rent, generally speaking.




  


Some took the money offer and left. Some went to court and lost and evetually had to leave. Some people just arent motivated by cash. living in the same area for such a length of time one grows accustomed to where they live etc. Why should one have to move for the sake of a land lord"s greed?As far as rent vs own. Your thoughts may hold truth pre recession, but in todays economy who"s really trying to sign on the dotted line of a 30 year mortgage while not knowing if they have a job tomorrow?
 
If by dying you mean thriving, then yes. Unfortunately there's a downside to everything and the downside to a neighborhood that's thriving is that it attracts more people which in turn causes prices to go up.
 
It is inevitable.

Manhattan is so small an so expensive that people priced out are going to look for the next closest option.

Artists and Gay community are usually the first wave.

After this it's game on.
 
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