NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

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NikeTalker23 said:
SneakerPro said:
Its crazy to me that Kaepernick is viewed as a young quarterback when he's older than Matt Stafford.

Well I guess I should say its crazy to me that people don't realize Stafford is the same age as these great "young" quarterbacks
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No, you're right, Matthew Stafford is a good young QB. I wouldn't say he's a "great" young QB though.
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After the Trayvon Martin thread I'm not in the mood to have this debate tonight maybe I'll feel up to it tomorrow.
 
Michael bamiro a tackle out of stony brook U Ny just got signed to he eagles this is a big big boy 6ft8 335lbs I had the luxury of watching this guy play I hope he makes it in the nfl he got screwed by his college good story though
 
I wouldn't put my money on these cats being the next "great" things, Kaep & Wilson played with extremely good defenses/run first offenses and thrived in just managing the game an not make mistake situations.
Guarentee between Wilson, Kaep, and RG3... 2 out of those 3 won't even make the playoffs.
 
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TheSwagOfSweetJones said:
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Nope. I don't have a NFL or NBA team
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Just them sorry sack of bums FSU
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is Aldon Smith gay? His mannerism and the way he speaks is real fruity. Very weird on First Take
 
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Might be late on this (I'm at work, don't have time to look through past), but Bill Barnwell had a great article today on just this discussion.  http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9482930/bill-barnwell-breaks-nfl-young-elite-quarterbacks

Here are his ultimate conclusions.  I feel like I wrote this myself.  Am I Bill Barnwell?:
[h3]Who Was the Best Gang of Four QB in 2012?[/h3]
This somehow seems harder now than it did before I started making cases for each of these guys. That's not how this was supposed to work. Hmm.

Given the huge gap between his numbers and the numbers of the other three players, it seems fair to rule out Andrew Luck. I know that Luck didn't have very much to work with, but he was also facing a cream puff schedule. In addition to his 18 interceptions, Luck alsoled the league in dropped interceptions  last year. He wasn't on this group's level. I also have to drop Colin Kaepernick from the discussion, just by virtue of his shortened season. The three other players in this Gang of Four produced an average of 563 touches (pass attempts + rush attempts), while Kaepernick's late start got him to only 281. Production involves both quality and quantity, and Kaepernick didn't have enough quantity for 2012.

That leaves Griffin and Wilson. And if I have to pick between the two of them in terms of their overall performance last season, I have to pick Griffin. His completion percentage was higher and his yards per attempt were higher. They each threw 393 passes, and Wilson threw twice as many interceptions. RG3 also ran for more yards per carry and produced more rushing yardage. If you ignore those first few unsteady games from Wilson and compare how they played at the end of the year, you can make a really strong case for Wilson.[sup]4[/sup]  On the whole, though, Griffin was the better player and the most productive member of the Gang of Four last year.
[h3]Who Will Be the Best Gang of Four QB in 2013?[/h3]
OK. Eliminating people made things easier last time, so let's do that again. I'm going to rule out Kaepernick because he has likely lost his best receiver, Michael Crabtree, for most of the season. Knowing the Harbaugh 49ers, the guy they replace Crabtree with will become an instant Pro Bowl–caliber contributor, but I'll be a little skeptical for now. One down.

While there continues to be great news out of Washington regarding Robert Griffin's recovery from knee surgery, the possibility of the knee causing him further problems is meaningful enough to cross him out here. These are high standards. And while I honestly believe that Andrew Luck will take enormous strides this season, he could improve his numbers by a significant margin across the board and still come up short of Russell Wilson's performance from the second half.

So that leaves Wilson, who picked up a no. 1 wideout over the offseason, Vikings standout Percy Harvin. Even better, Wilson won't be splitting the first-team practice reps with anybody during training camp this year. I'm pretty comfortable picking him as the best quarterback from the Gang of Four in 2013. (Also, sorry for putting that hex on you, Russell Wilson.)
 
LarryDavid said:
I wouldn't put my money on these cats being the next "great" things, Kaep & Wilson played with extremely good defenses/run first offenses and thrived in just managing the game an not make mistake situations.
Guarentee between Wilson, Kaep, and RG3... 2 out of those 3 won't even make the playoffs.
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They thrived managing the game? :stoneface: You clearly didn't watch any of those three QBs.
 
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100027 said:
Might be late on this (I'm at work, don't have time to look through past), but Bill Barnwell had a great article today on just this discussion.  http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9482930/bill-barnwell-breaks-nfl-young-elite-quarterbacks

Here are his ultimate conclusions.  I feel like I wrote this myself.  Am I Bill Barnwell?:


[h3]Who Was the Best Gang of Four QB in 2012?[/h3]


This somehow seems harder now than it did before I started making cases for each of these guys. That's not how this was supposed to work. Hmm.



Given the huge gap between his numbers and the numbers of the other three players, it seems fair to rule out Andrew Luck. I know that Luck didn't have very much to work with, but he was also facing a cream puff schedule. In addition to his 18 interceptions, Luck alsoled the league in dropped interceptions last year. He wasn't on this group's level. I also have to drop Colin Kaepernick from the discussion, just by virtue of his shortened season. The three other players in this Gang of Four produced an average of 563 touches (pass attempts + rush attempts), while Kaepernick's late start got him to only 281. Production involves both quality and quantity, and Kaepernick didn't have enough quantity for 2012.



That leaves Griffin and Wilson. And if I have to pick between the two of them in terms of their overall performance last season, I have to pick Griffin. His completion percentage was higher and his yards per attempt were higher. They each threw 393 passes, and Wilson threw twice as many interceptions. RG3 also ran for more yards per carry and produced more rushing yardage. If you ignore those first few unsteady games from Wilson and compare how they played at the end of the year, you can make a really strong case for Wilson.[sup]4[/sup]
 On the whole, though, Griffin was the better player and the most productive member of the Gang of Four last year.


[h3]Who Will Be the Best Gang of Four QB in 2013?[/h3]


OK. Eliminating people made things easier last time, so let's do that again. I'm going to rule out Kaepernick because he has likely lost his best receiver, Michael Crabtree, for most of the season. Knowing the Harbaugh 49ers, the guy they replace Crabtree with will become an instant Pro Bowl–caliber contributor, but I'll be a little skeptical for now. One down.



While there continues to be great news out of Washington regarding Robert Griffin's recovery from knee surgery, the possibility of the knee causing him further problems is meaningful enough to cross him out here. These are high standards. And while I honestly believe that Andrew Luck will take enormous strides this season, he could improve his numbers by a significant margin across the board and still come up short of Russell Wilson's performance from the second half.



So that leaves Wilson, who picked up a no. 1 wideout over the offseason, Vikings standout Percy Harvin. Even better, Wilson won't be splitting the first-team practice reps with anybody during training camp this year. I'm pretty comfortable picking him as the best quarterback from the Gang of Four in 2013. (Also, sorry for putting that hex on you, Russell Wilson.)
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That's what you call a great article? That's actually a terrible article.
 
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Last year when discussing the Lions he brought Kyle Vanden Bosch leaving as if it was a bad thing.

I haven't taken dude seriously since then.

He sounds smart until he mentions your team then you realize this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
NikeTalker23 said:
LarryDavid said:
I wouldn't put my money on these cats being the next "great" things, Kaep & Wilson played with extremely good defenses/run first offenses and thrived in just managing the game an not make mistake situations.
Guarentee between Wilson, Kaep, and RG3... 2 out of those 3 won't even make the playoffs.
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They thrived managing the game? :stoneface: You clearly didn't watch any of those three QBs.
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Don't get sensitive, Kaep threw for 300 yards once last season (302). Don't act like homie was out here gun slinging, scampering, and carrying the 9ers to the super bowl... They relied on turnovers and the run game.
 
Connor Barth tore his achilles in a charity basketball game right here in my hometown and is out for the season :smh:

We just signed Lawrence Tynes to replace him. Good thing there was a solid replacement sitting right there for us.
 
SneakerPro said:
Last year when discussing the Lions he brought Kyle Vanden Bosch leaving as if it was a bad thing.

I haven't taken dude seriously since then.

He sounds smart until he mentions your team then you realize this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Yeah he has a pseudo-intelligent writing style. Meant to sound like he's an analytics guys when he's just making arbitrary comparisons, etc.
 
LarryDavid said:
Don't get sensitive, Kaep threw for 300 yards once last season (302). Don't act like homie was out here gun slinging, scampering, and carrying the 9ers to the super bowl... They relied on turnovers and the run game.
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Nevermind that Kap had the highest completion percentage on balls thrown 20+ yards in the air in the entire NFL.  Lets forget about that.  It wouldnt help your argument.
 
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Connor Barth tore his achilles in a charity basketball game right here in my hometown and is out for the season
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We just signed Lawrence Tynes to replace him. Good thing there was a solid replacement sitting right there for us.
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Tynes is usually money from >45. I was wondering where he would go.
 
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